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Old 03-26-2019, 12:39 PM   #23376
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Chip runners obv is best. At one Casio (Philly, IIRC) they actually had a chip cart rolling around selling chips like some sort of ice cream pushcart at the park.
Parx has chip runners with carts.
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Old 03-26-2019, 12:41 PM   #23377
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Chip runners obv is best. At one Casio (Philly, IIRC) they actually had a chip cart rolling around selling chips like some sort of ice cream pushcart at the park.
I love the idea of a pushy chip vendor making everyone top up

"Hey pal you're looking a little short there, let's get you a couple stacks of red"
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Old 03-26-2019, 12:53 PM   #23378
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Telling a player that busted to go to the cage and wait on line to buy more chips is vastly worse for the game than the few fewer hands dealt an hour if the dealer is selling chips. I've seen plenty of guys stand up and walk right out of the room past the cage instead of sitting and punting another BI. Hell *I'VE* left a game because of that bull**** and went across the street to play.

This is doubly true if the player is tiliting.
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Although I am loving the idea of the ice cream salesman chip runner idea.
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Old 03-26-2019, 01:52 PM   #23379
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Telling a player that busted to go to the cage and wait on line to buy more chips is vastly worse for the game than the few fewer hands dealt an hour if the dealer is selling chips. I've seen plenty of guys stand up and walk right out of the room past the cage instead of sitting and punting another BI. Hell *I'VE* left a game because of that bull**** and went across the street to play.

This is doubly true if the player is tiliting.
100% true, i hate going to the cage to buy chips especially when im broke, or if i lost about 80% of my chips and just want to have a little bit larger stack again. until i came to detroit, i never seen this. nowhere in reno or vegas or atlantic city or phoenix or shreveport can u not rebuy at the table. for some reason theres no chip runners here. i have seen chip runners in some rooms on the east coast.

most rooms where i used to play years ago there was no cage, the desk would sell u chips when they seated u or have u buy from the dealer.

i would bet some of the same people bitching about people buying chips from the dealer are some of the same ones who tank during hands and ask for a setup when theyre pissed theyre losing, which slows the game just as much
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Old 03-26-2019, 02:45 PM   #23380
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The casinos in Detroit have some of the poorest run, completely idiotic poker rooms I've ever seen. No chip runners. Slow as **** dealers. Small Smokey rooms. Trash food. Pay for Booze. Moronic game labeling ... what the hell is a "Fifty-Two" game?

Thankfully that's mostly negated by how great the charity rooms are and how horrible the players are across the board.
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Old 03-26-2019, 02:51 PM   #23381
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at least they set out free food though. and drinks where u can grab coffee and water without going thru the waitress. but yeah walking to the cage when u bust out sucks. and so does going home to toledo forgetting about the black chips in your back pocket so u dont have to walk to the cage. shouldve waited til march 31 to leave turtle creek, much better games there.

id never trust a charity room though. i assume the dealers who work there cant get jobs in the casinos where the pay is better because they mightve got fired in the past for being experienced card mechanics. i wouldnt trust games in places without cameras.
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Old 03-26-2019, 03:22 PM   #23382
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id never trust a charity room though. i assume the dealers who work there cant get jobs in the casinos where the pay is better because they mightve got fired in the past for being experienced card mechanics. i wouldnt trust games in places without cameras.
You're making a lot of horrible assumptions there. The MI charity rooms have plenty of cameras, some have armed security (never advertised), and there are very few problems with them. Many of the dealers could get casino jobs, but don't want to as the hours are a lot more flexible in a charity room. You're just assuming that they're crooks with no evidence.

The charity rooms are some of the best games I've ever sat in. There's a lot of guys that are just 5 mins from their houses stopping in on the way home from work to blow off steam and have a few drinks. Often times they're regulars with the waitresses and get *trashed* because they can still get home reasonably easily. There's a lot of money tossed around with no regard to it.

My WR is almost twice as high in the charity rooms as it is the casinos around Detroit. Over 1000+ hour samples for each type.
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Old 03-26-2019, 09:38 PM   #23383
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Almost 1/4 of the way through the year, here are my 2019 stats:

417 hours played, up $21,300.

I keep meaning to log how many hours I play at each stake but I get lazy. My best guess would be:

30% 1/3
60% 2/5
10% 5/10

My volume kind of sucks, I’ve found it a bit tougher to play longer sessions in bigger games. In 1/3 I could zone out and print just value betting. I feel like in bigger games I have to be so focused.
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Old 03-26-2019, 11:45 PM   #23384
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I think the key words here are "used to" and "sometimes". I agree that first buys "should" be at the cage to keep the game running and full re-buys are more valuable at the table just to keep the tilting players available. Maybe I should start buying extra black chips to help the cause as dealers do not sell chips in my normal rooms. We've lost many a tilting player that said they were coming back and had cash in hand. After locking up the seat for 15 minutes hoping they would return we often get a new fresh player. Or worse yet the fish returns and their seat is gone.
I always carry a lot of chips and used to sell people chips but my casino doesn't allow this anymore. In fact they will ban you for doing so. The only way to buy chips is at the cage or asking the dealer to call for chips which typically takes 5+ minutes. It's horrific. The rec population has declined and I know it's not the only factor but I'm convinced it is one.

A rec busts, throws money on the table, gets told it doesn't play, looks pissed, waits, gets lammers eventually, but he missed his blinds and has to post, now really pissed, sometimes he just picks up and leaves and who knows if he ever comes back?

This also reduces the effects of tilt in some cases as these players basically get a forced "time-out" where maybe they decide after their blood has cooled "hmm...maybe I should just go home instead of punting a couple more BI trying to get even." And even if they stay they've had several minutes to clear their head instead of just getting back into it.
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Old 03-27-2019, 05:19 AM   #23385
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The Hard Rock is awful about chips. They seriously ban people for that though? Funny story, I also carry chips on me and another player threatened to call the police because I made another player change.

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Old 03-27-2019, 09:50 AM   #23386
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Almost 1/4 of the way through the year, here are my 2019 stats:

417 hours played, up $21,300.

I keep meaning to log how many hours I play at each stake but I get lazy. My best guess would be:

30% 1/3
60% 2/5
10% 5/10

My volume kind of sucks, I’ve found it a bit tougher to play longer sessions in bigger games. In 1/3 I could zone out and print just value betting. I feel like in bigger games I have to be so focused.
Wow, I wish I could play that often. Makes me feel good, though, because I've only played 75 hours but am up $5,880. 23.5 hours are PLO (1/2/5 and 5/5) and the rest are 1/2 or 1/3 NLHE. I can't believe we are 1/4 through the year!
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Old 03-27-2019, 10:08 PM   #23387
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The Hard Rock is awful about chips. They seriously ban people for that though? Funny story, I also carry chips on me and another player threatened to call the police because I made another player change.
What? Was he serious? Lol...

Had a floor at the hard rock tell me I couldnt make change for another player (just giving some greens for some black chips). She was wrong. Dealers ask players to do that all the time. I understand her confusion though because they will actually ban you for a variety of seemingly innocuous things such as

A) Selling a player chips
B) Buying chips from a player
C) Making change for chips with chips not on table

The last is particularly weird. If I'm sitting there with 40 green, and someone sits down with two 500 chips, I am allowed to give that person 20 green in exchange for the purple chip. However, if I offered to change the other player's purple chip with 5 black chips from my pocket, that is apparently banworthy. BUT...I can take those 5 black chips from my pocket, swap them out with 20 green, then exchange my 5 black chips on the table for other player's purple chip, then take 20 green from my pocket and swap them with the purple chip.

Net exchange is exactly the same. It makes no sense.

All these rules are bad for the game and don't really benefit the casino either so I don't get it.
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Old 03-28-2019, 07:14 AM   #23388
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None of those rules exists at Hard Rock Hollywood, so clearly its not a Hard Rock issue. They are some stupid rules that someone at HR Tampa made up to go along with the other stupid things I mentioned a few weeks ago....like them not allowing you to play, or even get on the waiting list, without showing your ID.
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Old 03-28-2019, 07:21 AM   #23389
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None of those rules exists at Hard Rock Hollywood, so clearly its not a Hard Rock issue. They are some stupid rules that someone at HR Tampa made up to go along with the other stupid things I mentioned a few weeks ago....like them not allowing you to play, or even get on the waiting list, without showing your ID.
We playing today Mike ?
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Old 03-28-2019, 07:36 AM   #23390
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We playing today Mike ?
Uh, do we know each other? Ill be playing but not at HR. You?
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Old 03-28-2019, 07:36 AM   #23391
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None of those rules exists at Hard Rock Hollywood, so clearly its not a Hard Rock issue. They are some stupid rules that someone at HR Tampa made up to go along with the other stupid things I mentioned a few weeks ago....like them not allowing you to play, or even get on the waiting list, without showing your ID.
Yeah I'm aware of that bedreg and I are Tampa regs. When he said "the hard rock" he meant SHRT which I guess was not made explicit.

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Old 03-28-2019, 07:37 AM   #23392
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Yeah I'm aware of that bedreg and I are Tampa regs. When he said "the hard rock" he meant SHRT which I guess was not made explicit.

/derail
Yeah, I was just pointing out how arbitrary some room's rules are. You would think that the rules at all HR properties, especially in the same state, would be the same.
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Old 03-28-2019, 09:32 AM   #23393
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Yeah I'm aware of that bedreg and I are Tampa regs. When he said "the hard rock" he meant SHRT which I guess was not made explicit.

/derail
My husband and I were just at Seminole HR Tampa, and I couldn't give him cash at the table when he busted! Ridiculous. We had to get up and "hide" the transaction away from the table.

I've heard it's the most profitable casino in the U.S. and one of the best poker rooms, but some of the rules are nuts.

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Old 03-29-2019, 04:09 AM   #23394
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It's a stupid rule to most, but the casinos/card rooms are just protecting themselves from being a third party in a "money laundering" situation which is of course what all couples are doing at the table. /s

Though I have no doubt there have been times where it is happening.

It's their way of keeping themselves out of that one in a million bad situation.
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Old 03-29-2019, 12:32 PM   #23395
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It's a stupid rule to most, but the casinos/card rooms are just protecting themselves from being a third party in a "money laundering" situation which is of course what all couples are doing at the table. /s

Though I have no doubt there have been times where it is happening.

It's their way of keeping themselves out of that one in a million bad situation.
Yeah, my casino has started calling the front desk to confirm you're playing in a larger game if you buy in for like $2000. It's pretty silly
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Old 03-29-2019, 01:48 PM   #23396
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So here's a question I haven't really seen here before ...

If you're playing in an underground home game and the game gets robbed .... how do you record that?

I'm thinking estimated stack for session win/loss as if you'd cashed out, then a separate game entry for the loss of those chips + anything else that got taken.

Kind of like the big BBJ payouts or other promo wins so you can include or ignore it depending on what analysis you're doing.
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Old 03-29-2019, 02:21 PM   #23397
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I sure hope that's a hypothetical question...
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Old 03-29-2019, 02:25 PM   #23398
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Yes. Hypothetical.

I've heard of a few games getting rolled and a couple of my poker friends and I were talking about it the other day.
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Old 03-29-2019, 04:33 PM   #23399
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Lol, tallying this sort of info would be like the least of my worries (surviving robbery and avoiding these games would top that list), but your method (estimate win/loss at that point plus subtract in BBJ winnings) is exactly what I would do.

If it is happening enough where this will affect your winrate greatly either way then you've got bigger problems, imo.

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Old 03-29-2019, 04:35 PM   #23400
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Treat it at a 1 time non repeating event just like BBJ or other promo.

Also dont play in that game.
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