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Old 01-04-2019, 03:32 PM   #22926
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LOL bodybuilder. You admit GG's win rate is a top win rate, then you call his style of play parasitic.

So what if it's parasitic? Are we here to make money or are we here to spew money cause it's "good for the game"? Any player that's better than me at the table I consider HORRIBLE for the game cause them just being at the table reduces my win rate and increases my variance by a significant amount especially if they have position on me and are actively 3 betting me. Am I gonna complain that they're a parasite for the game? No. They're there to make money and I respect that.
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Old 01-04-2019, 03:38 PM   #22927
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Bodybuilder, you snap got up because a bunch of 5/10 pros didn’t all start playing -EV just because you sat down? It sounds like they were all playing pretty fundamentally sound. What exactly did you expect the experience to be like?
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Old 01-04-2019, 03:45 PM   #22928
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Not only that, but whenever a $2/5 shot-taker sits in my game and tries to nit it up and double up vs a fish, we are HAPPY if that guy leaves, lol.
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Old 01-04-2019, 03:46 PM   #22929
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yah sorry Bodybuilder, when I say "give action" i'm talking about getting the straddle going, agreeing to 72o type games if the recs want, 0ev flips etc etc basically things to keep the game fun and vibes gambly if possible. also just engaging in conversation and being nice goes a long way.

that's why I don't agree with reading a book / iPad at the table - just makes you look disinterested and an obvious grinder/nit. I do get that it's probably much tougher for pros that have to put in many more hours per year than me, so i do sympathize though.

as long as GG is pleasant at the table and plays fast he is better than a lot of live players even if he is an uber-nit. would much rather have him at my table than people that tank forever, berate players/dealers, don't pay attention etc etc.
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Old 01-04-2019, 03:47 PM   #22930
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And also in the best interest of the game obviously ban:

- poker books
- poker forums
- discussing of HHs with friends
- thinking in general

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Old 01-04-2019, 03:53 PM   #22931
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The single best thing for the game is the straddle, imo.

Fundamentally correct play in a 2 blind NLHE game is simply pretty tight. You aren't making the game better opening crap in MP, you are just shooting yourself in the foot. A 3 blind game incentivizes you to play more hands out of the blinds as it's mathematically correct to do so. Although you do have to open tighter from the button vs 3 blinds compared to vs 2 blinds.
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Old 01-04-2019, 03:58 PM   #22932
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ya regs/pros that refuse to straddle when the majority of the table wants to are way way worse than regs/pros that play super tight.
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Old 01-04-2019, 03:59 PM   #22933
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GG is basically my ideal player to have on the left if I could cherry pick a line-up.
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Old 01-04-2019, 05:14 PM   #22934
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GG is basically my ideal player to have on the left if I could cherry pick a line-up.
Agreed, I mostly look to have exactly the same type of player on my left as well (especially if they are playing with a non-large stack), with possibly the only exception being that I'm guessing (???) I would be slightly more non ABC / straightforward / never getting out-of-line postflop than some I would rather have (although likely not by much).

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Old 01-04-2019, 05:31 PM   #22935
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Anyone good at reading giraffes wanna tell me what this one means? This is 820 hours mostly 1/3 with a little 2/5 and PLO mixed in. Analyze me!



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Old 01-04-2019, 05:31 PM   #22936
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GG, wouldn't your perfect player on your left be someone who raises too much pre-flop? If you're not going to do any opening you'd want to have last option on someone who does. This seems pretty obvious to me.
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Old 01-04-2019, 05:33 PM   #22937
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Bodybuilder, you snap got up because a bunch of 5/10 pros didn’t all start playing -EV just because you sat down? It sounds like they were all playing pretty fundamentally sound. What exactly did you expect the experience to be like?
I expected this but I thought there might be one or two fishy players in the game.

Everyone folding preflop is not a poker game.
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Old 01-04-2019, 05:41 PM   #22938
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Anyone good at reading giraffes wanna tell me what this one means? This is 820 hours mostly 1/3 with a little 2/5 and PLO mixed in. Analyze me!



Thanks!
That looks like an EKG of a man in cardiac arrest. Dont worry, it looks like they revived you.
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Old 01-04-2019, 05:55 PM   #22939
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ETA: And I fold most suited broadway in EP. No one at the table knows I do this.
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This can't be true. Anyone paying attention to VPIP / PFR will figure this out eventually unless you happen to be getting crushed with the deck that day.
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Old 01-04-2019, 05:58 PM   #22940
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GG, wouldn't your perfect player on your left be someone who raises too much pre-flop? If you're not going to do any opening you'd want to have last option on someone who does. This seems pretty obvious to me.
When shorterstacked it is definitely my preference to have this player to my immediate left. When deeper stacked I think I'd rather have him across the table (padded by shortstacked nits like myself inbetween) as I just don't want to be in too many OOP pots against him.

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Old 01-04-2019, 06:01 PM   #22941
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This can't be true. Anyone paying attention to VPIP / PFR will figure this out eventually unless you happen to be getting crushed with the deck that day.
I'm sure we're testing G's patience with all this stuff, but how in the world would anyone know I'm folding KTs and 55 in EP? *No one* folds these hands, so no one expects anyone else to fold them.

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Old 01-04-2019, 06:01 PM   #22942
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LOL bodybuilder. You admit GG's win rate is a top win rate, then you call his style of play parasitic.

So what if it's parasitic? Are we here to make money or are we here to spew money cause it's "good for the game"? Any player that's better than me at the table I consider HORRIBLE for the game cause them just being at the table reduces my win rate and increases my variance by a significant amount especially if they have position on me and are actively 3 betting me. Am I gonna complain that they're a parasite for the game? No. They're there to make money and I respect that.
Its a top win rate because everyone who plays 1/3 is pretty mediocre. GG eliminates all dumb mistakes most people make with with his strategy so its actually wise to implement. But a grand lady could do what he does. I wouldn't take much pride in it. $30 an hour is definitely attainable at 1/3 if you play in a deep and late night game past midnight. It would probably be attainable for at any time of day for an elite cash game player.

The player you described is tough to play against but atleast he is playing loose and aggro, which will keep the fish engaged and helps keep the game out of the muck. This guy you are describing is giving back to the fish a little bit here and there. Even though he takes more $ than a nit reg, the fish actually wins decent sized pots from this guy when he tries a DB bluff or something risky. He will also play deep stacked with these guys and accept the fact that he could lose a 300BB pot.

The fish like to be able to have a chance to "get their money back". When a rock wins $ off them, the rock asks for a "table change" to take their profits off the table or just flat quit the game. They take advantage of how people are polite and notice that the fish dont seem to mind getting hit and run because "oh Im so friendly and nice to talk too."

With nit regs, they give no action to anyone and only make $ because of compulsive gambling addicts or whales who dont care about losing money.


We are all bum hunting, but nit regs take it the furthest possible way. Never lite 3-betting someone if they think they are out of line, never raising with a draw, never squeezing over limpers.


No plays that could even resemble playing "poker". Just unimaginative nut mining, banking on the fact that degens will keep showing up no matter what.
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:06 PM   #22943
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That looks like an EKG of a man in cardiac arrest. Dont worry, it looks like they revived you.
It was actually a petit mal seizure.
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:06 PM   #22944
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I congratulate you since your 1/3 winrate is probably in the top 95% of players.

With that said, I think your approach to the game is full on PARASITE and bad for the game.

Because your starting hand selection is so tight and you are limping in with every hand you decide to play, even your premiums, you are literally NEVER GIVING ACTION to any of the fun players.


The only way someone even as a remote chance of getting a penny out of you is if you call a raise preflop to setmine. But that's only getting like $15 bucks max, and they wont get another cent unless you flop a set and they cooler you or suck out.


They cant crack you with a garbage hand because you just limp in. If someone raises, then you will make a gigantic limp/reraise that gives them horrendous odds to continue. I understand they just call anyway with total trash because they are degens, but it just makes you that much worse for the game.


This, combined with seat changing and table changing when YOU are deep in a small player pool, Im surprised that everyone in your room doesn't hate you. You are honestly very lucky that you play with guys that are happily straight up donating money to you because they compulsively cant stop themselves from folding a hand that they like. If anyone in your room even remotely gave a sh*t about money they would snap fold the second you touched your chips.


I used to play in a strip mall card club full of degens and the degens there would give me a lot of sh*t for being a nit. Maybe because you live in Canada where everyone is nice, or because you only play 1 day a week and people give you a pass because you are old.


Whatever it is, I know for a fact that if more people starting taking on your strategy, the games would dry up FAST. The degens expect to lose, but they dont want to play with a bunch of limp folders and always be put in spots post flop where they are always a massive dog to anyone who is putting money in the pot past the flop.

Your strategy is easy, basic, and could be followed by a senile old lady. Hell, other than serious TAG players, I would say that old ladies probably come in second in terms of win rate at 1/3.


I know this sounds harsh. But Im not the only one that cringes everytime you post advice. You could easily start raising hands that you limp/fold with in late postion like AT-AQo or suited broadways and not even take a hit to your winrate, just for the APPEARANCE of giving SOME action, but you choose not to just to avoid any variance.


I wouldn't care what a random 1/3 player does, but this is the entry level for a lot of fish. I gurantee a lot of potential whales got turned off from poker because they sat in horrific games where everyone was limp/folding pre and only giving action with their nutmining hands. He's calling raises pre only to see that the person's raise he called was QQ or better. Meanwhile he's thinking "how the f*ck are people so patient. Do they just sit here all day and wait for the top 5% of hands?"


If you want to be a nit with a very mediocre win rate in terms of dollar/per hour, that will continue to decerease due to inflation, then nobody can stop you. But do you have to post the same easy-to-digest cookie cutter strategy week in and week out that will only encourage more miminum wage bum hunters that will kill poker?


Sorry for the rant.


This is totally uncalled for
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:08 PM   #22945
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@ bodybuilder

You seem to have some misguided sense as to what "poker" is and what it isn't / should and should not be, imo.

The winrates thread is all about one simple thing: the bottom line. The bottom line is also the only thing the strategy threads are about.

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Old 01-04-2019, 06:09 PM   #22946
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This is totally uncalled for
+1. Why flame someone on this forum for playing a winning strategy? We're here to win. I mean my god.
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:10 PM   #22947
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Ive said my piece so I will check out from this thread for a while.

Sorry if I offended anyone. Just speaking my mind.
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:14 PM   #22948
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The single best thing for the game is the straddle, imo.

Fundamentally correct play in a 2 blind NLHE game is simply pretty tight. You aren't making the game better opening crap in MP, you are just shooting yourself in the foot. A 3 blind game incentivizes you to play more hands out of the blinds as it's mathematically correct to do so. Although you do have to open tighter from the button vs 3 blinds compared to vs 2 blinds.


Yes.

I’m relatively nitty (probably the nittiest at most tables) in my game but I have really learned to appreciate the value of a 3 blind game and since my game went to 2/5/10 I don’t think it’s a coincidence that my win rate has risen. Not enough hours to speak with confidence but straddles (and particularly utg straddles) are great for the game
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:21 PM   #22949
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@Dumbo - it looks like you...

1. Sun runned

2. Had a break even stretch (possibly when you were posting some really bad hands)

3. Resumed sun running

The middle section is more likely closer to your EV than either of the poles. Pretty good example of variance being the primary driving force in poker.

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Old 01-04-2019, 06:23 PM   #22950
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I've legit started to bring books to read during my sessions.
Which books?

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I feel I'm a very pleasant person to play with
Confirmed imo. I hope we get to play again sometime GG

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In my opinion these are much bigger vibe/game/etc. killers than playing with a pleasant Super Nit.
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GG is basically my ideal player to have on the left if I could cherry pick a line-up.
+1. Ideally he'd also be reading Anna Karenina (not War and Peace) and eating a Lucky Dog.
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