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Old 10-08-2018, 02:41 AM   #22451
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Re: Does anyone know of anyone averaging $70/hr playing strictly 1/2?

Sometimes variance plays out in really subtle ways. It isn't always as clear as just winning flips and running your AA into KK everytime, where you can see that you're running above EV.

Sometimes, variance is just hitting flops. Sometimes it's missing flops in such a way that you can get away cheaply. Sometimes it's turning or rivering a card that's good for your perceived range and allows you to get a bluff through, even if it wasn't good for your specific hand.

You could be running above EV without even realising it.
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Old 10-08-2018, 03:13 AM   #22452
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I'm not really convinced its that subtle. All I see is everyone making awful plays and spewing chips and chasing 20% rivers with their stacks, while I play a positional low variance TAG game with 50bbs. Most of my reads and hero calls are spot on. I've even called 2 streets with J high for my whole stack deep in a tournament and won. I make laydowns like AQs the other day raise to $6. Get 3bet preflop to $21 I fold and show the table. He shows QQ.
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Old 10-08-2018, 03:13 AM   #22453
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Re: Does anyone know of anyone averaging $70/hr playing strictly 1/2?

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I know I'd get crushed playing $5/$10. I have no bankroll for $2/$5. I might seem arrogant but I assure you I'm not. I have a very conservative and cautious understanding of my perceived ability as it relates to my actual ability. I compete in many different areas and I'm aware of just how easy it is to fall into the trap of thinking you're better than you really are.
Stop short stacking and buy in for the 100bb deep or even the max. Your hourly and winrate will thank you. If your casino doesnt let you, find a new one.
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Old 10-08-2018, 03:49 AM   #22454
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Re: Does anyone know of anyone averaging $70/hr playing strictly 1/2?

Well, I would say it’s time to quit the day job and just go for it.

I mean, you’ve experienced so much in your vast experience of a whole 100 hours of live poker. Obviously you have everything figured out and know what it takes to crush $1/$2. I think you can do even better than $70/hr with the way you’ve described your abilities.

What do you do when you double up your $100 buyin? Because playing 100 BBs is very different from 50. And 200 is even tougher. And 300. And so on.

But, hey, you’re crushing it after 100 hours so by all means move to Vegas and give it a shot. You only live once.
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Old 10-08-2018, 03:58 AM   #22455
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Re: Does anyone know of anyone averaging $70/hr playing strictly 1/2?

No one makes this at 2/5 and very few even at 5/10
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Old 10-08-2018, 04:37 AM   #22456
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Well, I would say it’s time to quit the day job and just go for it.

I mean, you’ve experienced so much in your vast experience of a whole 100 hours of live poker. Obviously you have everything figured out and know what it takes to crush $1/$2. I think you can do even better than $70/hr with the way you’ve described your abilities.

What do you do when you double up your $100 buyin? Because playing 100 BBs is very different from 50. And 200 is even tougher. And 300. And so on.

But, hey, you’re crushing it after 100 hours so by all means move to Vegas and give it a shot. You only live once.
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Old 10-08-2018, 04:38 AM   #22457
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ibelieveyouoweme80k judging by what little I've seen from some hands you've played in your thread history I'm not sure you're really in a place to belittle my interest in going pro. I can already sense that you don't have a lot of upside to your game.
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Old 10-08-2018, 04:50 AM   #22458
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Re: Does anyone know of anyone averaging $70/hr playing strictly 1/2?

If all the small spots go in your favor enough to pay off your blinds, rake/time, tips, etc and once an hour you get it all in for 50 bb as a four to one favorite...you avg $60/hr.

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Old 10-08-2018, 04:50 AM   #22459
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Re: Does anyone know of anyone averaging $70/hr playing strictly 1/2?

Trying to go pro playing 1/2 seems like a bad option to me, especially if you're American (lol taxes).

If you're beating 1/2 for $37 ph playing deep stacked you're likely far above your true EV. Playing short stacked its all but guaranteed.
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Old 10-08-2018, 05:16 AM   #22460
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I fold and show the table.
You are NOT ready to go pro.

This is only 1 of likely 1000 leaks in your game, but it can be the most telling.
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Old 10-08-2018, 05:20 AM   #22461
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I'm kinda curious to know what all of you guys average per hour playing? I've actually had plenty of spots where people have taken big pots from me after hitting their 20.5% rivers. I haven't been on any crazy type heaters except for that one day, but I have been through 3-4 downswings, one that was around 6 buyins plus $150 in tournaments.
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Old 10-08-2018, 05:24 AM   #22462
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Lol showing hands at 1/2 isn't a leak especially when I oftentimes use it against them.
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Old 10-08-2018, 05:55 AM   #22463
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Re: Does anyone know of anyone averaging $70/hr playing strictly 1/2?

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I know I'd get crushed playing $5/$10. I have no bankroll for $2/$5. I might seem arrogant but I assure you I'm not. I have a very conservative and cautious understanding of my perceived ability as it relates to my actual ability. I compete in many different areas and I'm aware of just how easy it is to fall into the trap of thinking you're better than you really are.




Just for the record: you come across as the oposite of what you are preaching, hence the trolling from other posters.

If you truly believe a sample of lol 100 hours or some miniheater is a proof of where you stand as a player, i dont really know where to start. Many posters on this forum have played poker for countless years and thousands of hours, and you come here with the i know it all attitude after a little 100 hour miniheater?

And no: of course not isnt anyone averaging freaking $70 pr hour playing 1/2. Have you smoked your socks or something? Even at 5/10 its hard to average $70 pr hour over a big samplesize.
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Old 10-08-2018, 06:28 AM   #22464
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Re: Does anyone know of anyone averaging $70/hr playing strictly 1/2?

As others have said, you're on a heater. It isn't about winning a lot of flips with stacks going in. It is the small things like hitting your set on the flop and being the on the right side in draw situations. When you're running well, poker seems easy. The best session I ever played was one where I lost $40.
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Old 10-08-2018, 06:51 AM   #22465
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Re: Does anyone know of anyone averaging $70/hr playing strictly 1/2?

MikeStarr 2.0 right here
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Old 10-08-2018, 07:04 AM   #22466
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This thread is going places (it starts with a B).
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Old 10-08-2018, 07:17 AM   #22467
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I'm fairly confident I haven't been on a heater during these last 100 hours. In fact if anything I experienced a slight downswing the way I've won and lost pots. My biggest heater was turning $100 into $524 in about 90 minutes one night. I lost 6 buyins straight once, 4 buyins straight twice, and the rest of my losing sessions were $100-$200. I always buyin for $100. I've never won anything more than $650 a session, and never won a pot over $450.
Play deeper, buy in with at least 100BB to increase win rate
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Old 10-08-2018, 07:17 AM   #22468
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Old 10-08-2018, 07:22 AM   #22469
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Re: Does anyone know of anyone averaging $70/hr playing strictly 1/2?

You need to establish your base line; Pump out significant volume (4-6 hundred) hours ; see what your win rate is over that time span; and then look to make improvements; I wouldn't set hourly goals until you have an idea where you are. The numbers never lie!
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Old 10-08-2018, 08:10 AM   #22470
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200 hours * $70/hr = $1400
You're up 7 buyins. That's not a huge amount.

Remember that even on a very soft, passive table, a professional poker player can go on a 5-7 buyin downswing.

You could be the best poker player in the world and you might lose all your profits within a week playing 1/2 NL.
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Old 10-08-2018, 08:14 AM   #22471
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I guess it's cool that we're now allowing newbies to troll the forum OOT style.
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Old 10-08-2018, 08:15 AM   #22472
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a live poker player's "hourly" is fictitious. it's different at every table, and is in flux because people change the way they play.

you can make a better prediction regarding hourly when playing online. there were $1/2 players making $140/hr 10-years ago with rakeback included. 16+ tabling though.
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Old 10-08-2018, 08:19 AM   #22473
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I'm top 100 in the state as a double A pool player after just 3 years of training and practice. I've won $1000s gambling in bars and poolhalls. I'm an excellent bowler (278 high score), chess player, top tri-athlete in high school, ace pitcher, starting runningback, best 3pt shooter (23 3s in a row once). Anyway all of that to say I'm naturally great at things. And the poker pro that made the list on this forum for other aspiring pros claims that part of someone's potential upside has to do with their natural ability to be good at stuff.

I haven't had any real heaters outside of cashing 5 out of 6 25p-35p live tournaments back in May. But I haven't factored any of those winnings into the $37/hr.

I'm 90% confident that through proper bankroll management I can average $30/hr, as I get the feeling I'm already the best player at whatever table I sit down at, but I'm also very introspective. Thoughts?
And yet with all of your natural talents you can't find a day job earning at least $40/hr? SAD!
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Old 10-08-2018, 08:24 AM   #22474
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200 hours * $70/hr = $1400
You're up 7 buyins. That's not a huge amount.

Remember that even on a very soft, passive table, a professional poker player can go on a 5-7 buyin downswing.

You could be the best poker player in the world and you might lose all your profits within a week playing 1/2 NL.
too hunnet times 7t = moar than 1400

werk on yer math mang

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Old 10-08-2018, 08:53 AM   #22475
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The most you can make at LLSNL is about 10bb/hr, which is $20/hr at 1/2 live.

Anyone who's making more than that is just on a short-term heater. Variance will catch up to them eventually.

Edit: maybe $30/hr is possible at 1/2 if you bumhunt and only play at the most optimal time of day and table select well, but this would make it hard for you to get good volume in. Eventually, you'd be given a mediocre table and you'll just play it because you want more volume, which would bring down your hourly.
This is all false. I'd put the max win rate playing 1/2 at about $40/hr for a top player, although anyone making that will be playing 2/5 very quickly.
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