I guess quoting it in BB is simply best. That said, it’ll always be unclear how serious it is without knowing buy in structure. I’ve lost 1500bb in the space of 2 nights in 1/1 £400 max which was only 6 buyin’s for me so sounds far worse than it actually is.

Comparing WR and downswings in BB is tough, since the game depends so much on the average stack depth. Which is kind of tied to the BI structure, but not exactly.

Either way, here's another post about winrate statistics with some references: https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comme...will_converge/

The long and short of it is, a lot more than 1000 hours.

5/5 max buy in $1,500.

Player A always buys in for $500 (100bb) at a time and player B always buys in for the max $1,500 (300bb).

If they are both on a $6,000 downswing, is Player A's downswing worse than Player B's because he's on a 12 buy in downswing as opposed to Player B's 4 buy in downswing?

biggest downswing looks roughly between 10600 -> 7200 = 1700BB (all 1/2), and I buy in for 150BB. So 12+ buy-ins. And I don’t think I’m very aggro at all.



spoiler, it wasn’t fun.

Yes. A's is worse.

Partially because it's more frustrating mentally to lose more bullets (for most people), and because if he's buying in shorter there's a higher chances that the absolute dollar amount means more to him.

Then regardless of the mental issues, it's a larger number of events to go the wrong way (probably). Which should be statistically less likely to happen than only 4 bad events. Just like losing X coin flips in a row.

People itt talking about downswings equal to some of my session swings.

Ooooh, I missed that. -$6500 at $2/5 is getting up there IMO. Definitely more than Ive ever lost in one bad stretch.

I recently started tracking my sessions with the run good app. I however have a couple questions.

Under manage data icon click on bankroll and I have added an amount to my "live br" once I click on that it shows my initial br deposit and the balance for that amount. However under details it doesn't show any updates whether positive or negative for cash games. And my balance always reflects the initial deposit. To find my current br after each session I have to view it under the results tab and click on either % stats or the graphs tab. Anyway to make the manage data tab update with each result as well? Or is that not possible at all?

Any suggestions appreciated thanks!

Whats your winrate's difference (1/2 and 2/5) during weekday (monday-friday 9am-4pm) vs night hours or weekend?

After almost 4000 hours of 2/5, my "peak hours" win rate, which I define as after 6PM during the week and anytime on weekends...is 31% higher than non peak times.

There's a thread on this app in the Commercial Software forum. Try here.

If you don't mind me asking, when was the last time you lost 1200+bb in a single session?

I lost about 9k in like two weeks. Pretty sure I was tilting by the end of that though and probably should have been like half that. My biggest winning streak is like 14k. Obviously biggest upswing larger but that's kind of meaningless for a winning player as it's basically just your lifetime earnings if not currently in a downswing. Assuming I'm using the term upswing correctly. And this is not over a large sample just like 400 hours.

Side note...good to be back. Those pesky illnesses that don't seem to happen to most of you guys left me out of commission for 5 weeks. My lungs randomly collapsed as my pleura filled with blood for no apparent reason. Two weeks at the hospital. They drained like 5 liters of blood from my lung pleura. No idea what caused it after hundreds of tests and a couple surgeries. *sigh* I'm going to die at like 34.

Finally got back to casino yesterday. Ran a bit bad but still, good to be back. Oh and I was hyperventilating like a noob whenever I had a good hand because I still can't breathe well. Decided to balance by hyperventilating in every big pot lol...

I would really like to post my graph at some point but at this rate I won't hit 1k hours for several months.

Probably about 6 months ago before I moved to SoCal. I used to play in an insane 1/2 NL 300 max game where I would have at least a couple sessions of +/- 3500 every few months.


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I've lost over 2k a couple times in 1/2 games. My worst was probably around 1200BB. It happens. At least it does if you play LAGGY which I was at the time. My overall winrate was pretty good despite such losses. Around 10bb/hr IIRC.

Welcome back, Shai. Sorry to hear about your health issues. Hope you get a good session under your belt to get your head back in the game.

where was this 1/2 game?

A little casino on the IA/MN border.

I got really curious / bored today and back ported all of my sessions for 2018 from Poker Mate to Poker Bankroll Tracker so I could get some fancy graphs and automatic Standard Deviation calculations. With the STD stats I can also do 95% confidence calcs using formulas from earlier in this thread. My hours this year are probably about cut in half due to life stuffs. Using this calculation, how many hours should I have in before I give these numbers some credit for being accurate?

All games combined 2018:
(1/2, 1/3, one 1/3/6 session, mostly 2/5, one 2/5/10 session)
Hours - 180 (151 of them are 2/5)
BB/Hr - 17.99
STDV BB/Hr - 90.64
95% Conf modifier: (2*90.64/SQRT(180)) = 13.51
Resulting BB/Hr 95% Conf range: 4.48 - 31.5

2018 Filtered for just 2/5:
Hours - 151
BB/Hr - 15.24
STDV BB/Hr - 66.26
95% Conf modifier: (2*66.26/SQRT(151)) = 10.78
Resulting BB/Hr 95% Conf range: 4.46 - 26.02

Is this all "LOL sample size"? If so when can I feel like it's real? 250 hrs? 500 hrs?

Hi all,

I had my worst session in several months last night. Down about $930 (in 22 hours). BR took a hit from $7k to around $6k.

What would you do now? Just looking for feedback in a tough time....

Thanks,
DT

If you've moved up to 2/5NL, then I'd suggest moving back down to 1/3 NL where you're more comfortable just to clear your head / take a breather.

I know you put in monster sessions, and each to their own and whatever, but you're going to have a hard time convincing me you're at your peak at the end of those sessions. Perhaps just try putting in some shorter sessions, maybe even quitting some while up to get some mental momentum going.

Otherwise, a $1K "downswing" at 1/3 NL is like nothing (i.e. get used to it, cuz you'll have many more, and for much worse).

Ggoodluck!G

DT: Get back on the horse. Don't force it.

cornbread: those confidence intervals will shrink a lot by about 500 hours, but still pretty wide. At least they are all positive numbers!

Would you think switching to tourneys for a little bit is a good adjustment coming off of a loss like this?

I don't ever play tourneys, but aren't they (a) completely different than cash and (b) just long periods of constant losing before eventually binking?

Gnotsurehowthatwouldhelp,butwhateverkeepsyouafloat mentallyG

Drop down immediately