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Old 08-16-2018, 04:46 PM   #22251
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The pt was to demonstrate the important monetary impact of one's decision between roth/traditional. Give him/her the info and let him/her decide.


I used to agree with the last statement.
Now I think the world has changed. I give the information, but I also tell them what the best plan for them is.


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Old 08-17-2018, 07:26 AM   #22252
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I am 100% willing to put my money where my mouth is and wager as much as you want on this. I am certain we can find a mod who would be willing to escrow for us. I have seen enough new places open to state that it just does not matter how many skewls there are near by or how smart people are - when gamboolin comes a knocking the degens come out
It's a completely subjective assessment. How could we possibly assess whether the casino is as soft as people think it is? We would need

A) Some kind of measurable agreement on current softness of similar regional casinos

B) Some kind of measurable standard for defining that "softness" when it opens

C) Some pre-defined threshold for the measurement by which the place passes or fails

D) Some way to actually take that measurement

E) An agreement based on how long we expect the games to remain such before rapidly diminishing returns.

I'm not sure any of this is doable in a meaningful way. So...you can keep your impossibly immeasurable wagers.

Just expressing some healthy skepticism that very smart people (of which Boston has many) play better poker than very dumb people, as well as some pessimism that things are rarely as bright as people expect.

BTW don't know why people thought I was saying rich people are good at poker.
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Old 08-17-2018, 07:41 AM   #22253
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A few questions. Hope this isn't too off topic.
I consider a "fish" as someone with little to no experience at the poker table.
As opposed to a fish, a " donkey " for me is someone with experience but who's still pretty bad.

Mind y'all, I don't actually use these terms about people when sitting at the table. Don't really find them that useful and I don't normally view people in derogatory terms. Anyways.

Would y'all agree to those interpretations?
And, what's a rec( recreational), and what's a reg(regular)?
How would y'all exactly define, differentiate those terms.

I mean, can a reg be a reg and not a pro?
Fish and donk are basically same. I'm more likely to think "donk" when I see some idiotic c/r with 2nd pair vs like x/c x/c x/c with the nuts but they're both terrible. Donks are those guys who look like TV tournament pros. Sunglasses, hat, hoodie, poker themed clothing. Often think they know what they're doing but are clueless. Donks are fish though. But not all fish are donks?

Rec = recreational player, usually a fish but not always. They just don't win a lot (usually) and their primary goal is recreation

Reg = regular, the people in the cardroom 25+ hours a week. Some regs are pros but others are slightly winning, break even, or slightly losing. A few are really bad but still play a ton for some reason. I use "regfish" for this player type. Solidly winning players at 2/5+ I just call pros though some are much better than otherd.

Probably about as good an answer as you'll get. Separating some of these terms is pretty subjective and arbitrary. It's more useful to focus on labels like maniac, LAG, TAG, LP, TP, nit, and especially to have specific reads on how they played previous hands.
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Old 08-17-2018, 08:25 AM   #22254
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Have to say i am with Squid on this one with his experience and knowledge in the livescene through countless years. Basically i trust him when he is saying this is gonna be a goldmine for a while when it opens.
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Old 08-17-2018, 12:43 PM   #22255
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Reg = regular, the people in the cardroom 25+ hours a week. Some regs are pros but others are slightly winning, break even, or slightly losing. A few are really bad but still play a ton for some reason. I use "regfish" for this player type. .
They continue playing because the vast majority of them probably don't use a poker tracking app or software. They're probably not aware of how much they're losing and maybe they love playing so much, they'd prefer it that way!

I guess I'm sort of a hybrid between a fish and a shark( a devil fish?),
Because I only started tracking my results myself last year.
I was actually shocked to see how little I actually play. Without the poker Tracing app, I would have been mentally fooled into thinking that my volume was a lot more.
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Old 08-17-2018, 12:50 PM   #22256
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What app do you guys use to track any free ones for my inner nit?

Right now I just have an excel spreadsheet on my computer
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Old 08-17-2018, 01:52 PM   #22257
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What app do you guys use to track any free ones for my inner nit?

Right now I just have an excel spreadsheet on my computer
IMO, excel will always be better than an app for tracking live poker winnings.
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Old 08-17-2018, 02:03 PM   #22258
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It's a completely subjective assessment. How could we possibly assess whether the casino is as soft as people think it is? We would need

A) Some kind of measurable agreement on current softness of similar regional casinos

B) Some kind of measurable standard for defining that "softness" when it opens

C) Some pre-defined threshold for the measurement by which the place passes or fails

D) Some way to actually take that measurement

E) An agreement based on how long we expect the games to remain such before rapidly diminishing returns.

I'm not sure any of this is doable in a meaningful way. So...you can keep your impossibly immeasurable wagers.

Just expressing some healthy skepticism that very smart people (of which Boston has many) play better poker than very dumb people, as well as some pessimism that things are rarely as bright as people expect.

BTW don't know why people thought I was saying rich people are good at poker.
I dont want to get into a pissing contest. You expressed skepticism. I have been around the block when it comes to casino/region openings. I was simply stating that I was willing to stand by what I said with my wallet. It is not rocket science. I know there will be several pros from llsnl going there. We agree on 5 or so that are established winners/posters here and go by what they say. We can hammer out details but it seems simple enough to me
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Old 08-17-2018, 02:59 PM   #22259
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IMO, excel will always be better than an app for tracking live poker winnings.
MATLAB >>> Excel if you have a license handy. (And some experience.)

Phone apps are nice ways of plugging in data right when you sit down/stand up and you don't have to remember times and $ numbers when you get home.

Google Sheets is free and works fine for recording the raw data if you really wanted to be a life nit about $5 for an app too.
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Old 08-17-2018, 03:09 PM   #22260
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MATLAB >>> Excel if you have a license handy. (And some experience.)

Phone apps are nice ways of plugging in data right when you sit down/stand up and you don't have to remember times and $ numbers when you get home.

Google Sheets is free and works fine for recording the raw data if you really wanted to be a life nit about $5 for an app too.
Excel has an app.
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Old 08-17-2018, 03:39 PM   #22261
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What app do you guys use to track any free ones for my inner nit?

Right now I just have an excel spreadsheet on my computer
I use poker tracker bankroll on my LG android
You can download it for free. It also has the upgraded pro version for something like 1:99 if I'm not mistaken.
For the casual rec player like myself, it's a godsend.
Lots of nice features like an odds calculator for example.
You record each individual session and it calculates an overview with most essential info for you.

No longer will you be a fish swimming in shark infested water
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Old 08-17-2018, 06:25 PM   #22262
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I use poker tracker bankroll on my LG android
You can download it for free. It also has the upgraded pro version for something like 1:99 if I'm not mistaken.
For the casual rec player like myself, it's a godsend.
Lots of nice features like an odds calculator for example.
You record each individual session and it calculates an overview with most essential info for you.

No longer will you be a fish swimming in shark infested water
I've been testing out Poker Bankroll Tracker too. I like most of the features but there are some flaws and quirkiness. You have to be carefull with the odds calculator too. I assumed it was smart enough to eliminate cards from ranges but it is not, keep this in mind when calculating equity. For example, I was playing around and found I had about 39% equity with JJ against my opponents range for 44, 88+, AKs on an 844r board. I then gave myself KK, AA, etc just to get a feel. Then I gave myself 44 and I did not have 100% equity. Even with the 44 on the board and the 44 in my hand it allowed the opponents range to still have 44. This made me question whether it is eliminating any combos of pocket pairs due to the board or my hand and I lost a lot of confidence. Anyone know a free app for this that's actually accurate?
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Old 08-17-2018, 06:27 PM   #22263
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44 Vs AA on 844r board is not 100%...
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Old 08-17-2018, 08:33 PM   #22264
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I plan to move to Boston for the opening of Encore, and I've played everywhere, so I can chime in on this when it opens. Any other pros or serious players looking to visit the property?
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Old 08-17-2018, 08:43 PM   #22265
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Ill be visiting at some point shortly after it opens. Its scheduled for next June, right? Any excuse to get out of Florida during the summer.
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Old 08-17-2018, 09:47 PM   #22266
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Yeah June of next year. It will be during the WSOP so even less grinders will be there for the opening. Should be the nut best games imo....
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Old 08-17-2018, 10:06 PM   #22267
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Yeah June of next year. It will be during the WSOP so even less grinders will be there for the opening. Should be the nut best games imo....
I live 2.5 hrs away so will be there lots
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Old 08-18-2018, 08:40 AM   #22268
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Yeah June of next year. It will be during the WSOP so even less grinders will be there for the opening. Should be the nut best games imo....
I've dedicated myself to studying and playing more this year.
I finally have, after some years, a reasonable bankroll committed to poker too. Only as not to be swallowed up by you guys when you get here next year.

I've been following you guys a lot on this forum. It would be nice to say hello! I'd especially like to meet squid. Meeting him i guess would be the next best thing to meeting Doyle i guess.

2019 is gonna be a great summer!
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Old 08-18-2018, 01:41 PM   #22269
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44 Vs AA on 844r board is not 100%...
True. V has a 0.1% chance of running aces.

As far as free equity calcs, I use this one: http://www.propokertools.com/simulations

It's online. No need to download.
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Old 08-18-2018, 02:35 PM   #22270
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As far as free equity calcs, I use this one: http://www.propokertools.com/simulations
I use the same one, sometimes I wish there was app with same functionality, where you could run o8 and such in 4 way pots. Anyone know of such apps?
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Old 08-18-2018, 06:48 PM   #22271
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I use Poker Odds Calculator Pro on Android. It can do multi-way Omaha 8 pots.
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Old 08-18-2018, 07:15 PM   #22272
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I use Poker Odds Calculator Pro on Android. It can do multi-way Omaha 8 pots.
Thanks just got it for 1.50 it seems worth. Especially if it works offline.

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Old 08-19-2018, 03:47 AM   #22273
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I dont want to get into a pissing contest. You expressed skepticism. I have been around the block when it comes to casino/region openings. I was simply stating that I was willing to stand by what I said with my wallet. It is not rocket science. I know there will be several pros from llsnl going there. We agree on 5 or so that are established winners/posters here and go by what they say. We can hammer out details but it seems simple enough to me
You can't stand by vague or improvable statements with your wallet, however noble that seems. No it isn't "rocket science" (which is just aerospace engineering which is no harder than dozens of other fields), but definitely a complex statistics problem and harder to measure than you seem to think. The subjective assessment of a handful of pros for a month or whatever is not going to be very meaningful (especially if more of them know you than me, which is all but certain). Their actual results will not mean much either. We could inject 100 pros into the room and take their results for a month but...we've altered the environment by injecting 100 pros into the room. Observing long term winrates of local pros who have played lots elsewhere is about the only way to really tell.

I'm not remotely interested in pissing contests I just don't see how the alleged "softness" could be measured in a systematic and consistent manner. Certainly not enough for me to wager money on outcomes falling on a fuzzy spectrum as if the results were binary.
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Old 08-19-2018, 04:40 AM   #22274
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You can make the same argument about WSOP cash games but everyone knows these games are softer since you have a bunch of whales splashing around with deep stacks.

You can look at the sample size of winning players winrates going higher to get a clear idea without running a scientific experiment. If the majority of pros say their win rate increased than that should be sufficient.
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Old 08-20-2018, 07:59 AM   #22275
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Okay so moving on from all that, I'm wondering how you guys handle being sick.

Do you still play when you're sick? If so how does it affect your winrate?

If you do play sick where do you draw the line? If a fever is high enough to cause delirium obviously it's going to be pretty tough but 100 degrees might affect you more than you think.

If you're like me and sick ridiculously often, at what point am I better off just playing my sick C game, maybe trying to bump it up to a B game, than not playing at all?

Last month I was sick over a week. This month already been sick well over a week and probably will last at least another one. Last time I tried going in I lost 1600 dollars in like 1 hour before realizing I was making idiotic decisions I would normally not have made. When I have even a lowish fever of like 100 to 101 it's a lot like playing on perma-tilt. I can't pay attention to the hands as well, I'm more likely to just call it off if it seems close than actually try to get reads and mathematically evaluate implied odds and such. The boredom is 10x worse. Losing feels worse because I already feel like crap. I even read the board or my hand wrong sometimes.

Basically, historically I tend to spew money when I'm sick. Yet I'm sick on average a LOT and occasionally as long as a month. Went to an urgent care clinic a couple days ago and my current infection is viral so basically nothing to do but wait.

It is really frustrating. I feel like I'm burning money skipping good days but if I go sick I greatly increase my chances of making serious mistakes, which is really burning money.

Also seriously considering playing wearing a surgical mask even when fine. I catch infections way way too easily. I know it'll make me look like a weirdo but better than being sick all the time.
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