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Old 08-21-2012, 02:29 AM   #2201
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I use an excel spreadsheet at home
If you're talented at excel you can create a spreadsheet that does far more than any iphone app can do and you can custom create any stats you want.

I might experiment with tracking apps just for things like win rates by day, etc, but I don't think it's necessary.

There's even more fun things you can do with excel. Periodically I'll note down every hand I play for an orbit several times a session.

I have another excel where I can input the hands and it calculates vpip, pfr, 3b, cbet%, cbet bluff%, etc etc. Of course it requires a little input, but it's easier for me to just do an excel.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:01 AM   #2202
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Real Quick Question:

If playing poker as your sole means of income, what do you do about taxes so the IRS doesn't take your ****!????
when the IRS takes your ****, that IS taxes.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:14 AM   #2203
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I've had a -1050bb session but recovered in a few sessions do not exactly a downswing.
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Old 08-21-2012, 09:15 AM   #2204
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I've had a -1050bb session but recovered in a few sessions do not exactly a downswing.
Sounds like a pretty bad session
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Old 08-21-2012, 09:33 AM   #2205
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Yeah it was. Game was uncapped so pretty deep.

Funnily enough I almost broke even that day because I got action on my friend who won more than I'd lost. At same stakes. Wat.
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Old 08-21-2012, 09:40 AM   #2206
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if it makes you feel any better I'm 2/12 in my last 12 coinflips in over 1k pots where we were AI pf or AI otf. I am excited for when I'm on the other side of it.
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Old 08-21-2012, 10:11 AM   #2207
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Well it's nothing really bad sessions happen, as does run bad.
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Old 08-21-2012, 11:35 AM   #2208
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yeah i really want to find an easy way to take notes about hands while at the table, trying to write the **** out is so time consuming i miss out on the next hand
If you are folding the next hand walk away from the table and use your smartphone voice recorder to take notes. Much quicker than writing and you can put a lot of info into the recording that would be difficult to do quickly with a written note.
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Old 08-21-2012, 11:51 AM   #2209
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yeah i really want to find an easy way to take notes about hands while at the table, trying to write the **** out is so time consuming i miss out on the next hand
Download a poker odds app. Put the hands in the poker odds, and then take a screenshot.

From this, I am generally able to remember most details about the hand. The only problem is if you get a lot of Ako hands that did not go to showdown.... Otherwise it works pretty quick for me.
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Old 08-21-2012, 12:19 PM   #2210
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ive thought about bringing a pen/paper but figured that would look ridiculous
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Old 08-21-2012, 03:54 PM   #2211
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For any of you lifetime winners at 1/2, what's your longest break-even stretch?

I am currently break-even over my last 200 hours, but still $22 / hour winner liftetime.

I am 100% definitely running very bad this year, basically drawing dead anytime I sit at a table, but after awhile one has to start questioning if they are playing poorly and contributing to the problem.
In the last 14 months, I had:

1 downswing of -11 buy ins (120 hours)

2 downswings of -5 buy ins (short, less than 80 hours)

1 break even stretch of 160 hours.

If your current break even stretch is the worst variance you've seen so far, then you have been running ridiculously hot up to now, most likely. Your win rate being on the high side despite the last 200 hours also suggests you've been running good.
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Old 08-21-2012, 04:01 PM   #2212
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ive thought about bringing a pen/paper but figured that would look ridiculous
The vast majority of hands you play should be completely standard, IMO. I play maybe two hands a week where I feel like my decision is genuinely difficult. The point being that there shouldn't be too many hands you feel the need to write down, and those you can just take down in your phone right there at the table. Maybe wait a hand or two so it's not obvious you're taking a note (as opposed to testing your s.o. or w/e).
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Old 08-21-2012, 05:29 PM   #2213
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The vast majority of hands you play should be completely standard, IMO. I play maybe two hands a week where I feel like my decision is genuinely difficult. The point being that there shouldn't be too many hands you feel the need to write down, and those you can just take down in your phone right there at the table. Maybe wait a hand or two so it's not obvious you're taking a note (as opposed to testing your s.o. or w/e).
This is subjective though, there are plenty of spots that non standard lines could be used where we miss out on value playing exactly standard.

For instance last week a nit limps in EP, passive player limps behind I check in bb

Flop comes 336

I ch, nit bets, passive player calls and I fold

I easily could have ch/rd there and folded both the players out with my image but I didn't
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Old 08-21-2012, 05:49 PM   #2214
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By standard, I don't mean necessarily that we're just playing ABC. the spot you describe is an easy bluff raise/fold spot.

I'll also note that a week later, you remember it well enough to summarize it as you did. So I'm not sure you need to be taking contemporaneous notes.

When I was being diligent, I was in the habit of waking up the morning after avsession and typing up my important hands. Maybe you could do something like that? You might forget one or two, but it'd be better than not doing anything, and better than missing action at the table by taking notes during your sesh. IMO, anyway.
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Old 08-24-2012, 03:51 AM   #2215
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Expected Win Rate in BB's $1-2 NLH Live

I have come to the experts to find an answer to my question. What rate of return in BB's should I be looking for if I was playing $1-2 NLH live for a living?
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Old 08-24-2012, 03:56 AM   #2216
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Re: Expected Win Rate in BB's $1-2 NLH Live

bout tree fiddy.

but srsly, prob much less than that given the question you just asked
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:09 AM   #2217
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Re: Expected Win Rate in BB's $1-2 NLH Live

Do they comp drinks or not? That is very important queshion to ax urself
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:31 AM   #2218
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$1-2 NLH live for a living?
1) marry a moderately wealthy fish.
2) Tell him/her u want to play "1-2 NLH live for a living?"
3) Go to Africa.
4) Tie him/her to a raft on the Niger River and force him/her to play hu4rollz.
5) Live out ur dream until it's cut short by a pirate's machete.
6) EZ GAME
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Old 08-24-2012, 10:47 AM   #2219
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1) marry a moderately wealthy fish.
2) Tell him/her u want to play "1-2 NLH live for a living?"
3) Go to Africa.
4) Tie him/her to a raft on the Niger River and force him/her to play hu4rollz.
5) Live out ur dream until it's cut short by a pirate's machete.
6) EZ GAME


outstanding poast sir ty!!!!

both totally random and wonderful
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Old 08-24-2012, 10:52 AM   #2220
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Re: Expected Win Rate in BB's $1-2 NLH Live

Bout the same as the rate of descent you will be travelling at when you jump off the top of the Bellagio (after realizing what career path you have chosen).
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:00 AM   #2221
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You should try using a taser on yourself. That will give you the answer.
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:00 AM   #2222
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Re: Expected Win Rate in BB's $1-2 NLH Live

If you don't have a substantial history giving you the answer to this, you are probably in trouble already.
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:15 AM   #2223
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Do they comp drinks or not? That is very important queshion to ax urself
LOL!

Seriously though, I doubt anyone can make a real living at $1-$2. I think once you're consistently beating the game for 4+ BB/hour, you move up in stakes. Consistently meaning over a decent sample size. Not sure exactly what that might be, but a rough guess would be about 300 hours if you're averaging 25 hands / hour. Probably still a small sample size, but decent at least.
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:38 AM   #2224
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Re: Expected Win Rate in BB's $1-2 NLH Live

Since last may..Ive played just short of 1000 hours....I'm just short of $16 for the entire time. Over the last 500 hours I'm averaging $21....did a lot of really stupid things my first few month playing....In case you have not worked it out that is $15229 for the past 15 month...playing about 20 hours a week...

I only count the money I cash out for less the money I buy in for...I do not count bus fares hotel rooms food (often comped but taxes still payed). On the other hand my $30 slot card I get for the $30 bus ride is showing a small net profit ...Yeh....
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:38 AM   #2225
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0.875 BB/hr might be a solid estimate after rake/rape 4 a good winning player
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