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Old 08-07-2018, 04:36 PM   #22151
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lol...thanks gator

also very nice giraffe mike. He is a perfect example of how low stress 2/5 is when you figure out the formula. Well done brotha!
TY Sir. There are also very few 5/10 games available to me. I do play it occasionally when it pops up but Im totally happy playing 2/5.
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Old 08-07-2018, 05:12 PM   #22152
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Nice giraffe Mike!

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Old 08-07-2018, 05:32 PM   #22153
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I've seen Doug Polk spew so much $ in live poker. The guy plays GTO in a game filled with exploitable opponents where he fails to realize everyone's range is highly weighted toward value.

I love GTO strat talk. Its the new fish excuse to play every hand to showdown and to be the action donk at the table.
Maybe you mean a distinction between GTO strat talk and GTO application at the table? While someone playing GTO won’t maximize his or her wintate, they will certainly be very bad for you since they will scoop
Money from the worse players at some rate, while remaining unbeatable to you. Right? Or did you just mean that those players who talk about it don’t know how to properly apply it and thus end up spewing?
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Old 08-07-2018, 05:42 PM   #22154
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He means playing GTO versus mouth breathing cretins is spewing which it is and why everyone that passes through LLSNL preaching GTO goes bust (and it’s hilarious to watch).
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Old 08-07-2018, 06:00 PM   #22155
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He means playing GTO versus mouth breathing cretins is spewing which it is and why everyone that passes through LLSNL preaching GTO goes bust (and it’s hilarious to watch).
I study gto, but also think about and study ways to deviate for exploiting my current situation. As a trivial example,
I’m not going to have a gto response to being 3bet at 1/4 and 2/5 versus most opponents. I will exploitively overfold.

But I like studying to have a relatively GTO base from which to form these more
Exploitative plays. I feel this gives me a “safe” default action in situations my reads aren’t strong. It allows me to develop a game that will easily translate to changing game environments, including higher stakes/tougher competition, and it will allow me to better and more quickly recognize imbalances in my opponent’s games and know how to profitably exploit them.

Is that reasonable? Or no?
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Old 08-07-2018, 06:43 PM   #22156
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He means playing GTO versus mouth breathing cretins is spewing which it is and why everyone that passes through LLSNL preaching GTO goes bust (and it’s hilarious to watch).
but of an overstatement. prob the best 2/5 crusher i know works a lot with solvers. he still plays exploitatively from time to time, but he reviews most of his HH via solvers, and I also text him asking him to tell me what PIO says.

not only does he crush 2/5, but he's setting himself up to stay well ahead of the curve in the next X years as well as the ability to move up in stakes+venture off into tournament play.
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Old 08-07-2018, 06:48 PM   #22157
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but of an overstatement. prob the best 2/5 crusher i know works a lot with solvers. he still plays exploitatively from time to time, but he reviews most of his HH via solvers, and I also text him asking him to tell me what PIO says.

not only does he crush 2/5, but he's setting himself up to stay well ahead of the curve in the next X years as well as the ability to move up in stakes+venture off into tournament play.
Is using a solver to increase your win rate relying on complicated maths at the table during the hand or more or less memorizing the hands you put through it?

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Old 08-07-2018, 06:51 PM   #22158
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You'd have to be pretty dense to think GTO would apply in any way or form against 1/3 fish, who go bust within 2-3 hours where you may only be involved in 1 or 2 pots with them and the only thing that's required to felt them is to exploit a range advantage.

By all means, play GTO against the regs in your room with whom you have 50+ hrs of history, but to pretend it's necessary against an ever rotating opponent pool at 1/3 is lunacy.
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Old 08-07-2018, 06:55 PM   #22159
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You'd have to be pretty dense to think GTO would apply in any way or form against 1/3 fish, who go bust within 2-3 hours where you may only be involved in 1 or 2 pots with them and the only thing that's required to felt them is to exploit a range advantage.

By all means, play GTO against the regs in your room with whom you have 50+ hrs of history, but to pretend it's necessary against an ever rotating opponent pool at 1/3 is lunacy.
What it is, really hard to win at llls or there are still tons of fish and eazy 10bb/hr to be had? Everyone is all dire as if the games are though to beat at all these days
? (Ps. I quit in 2010 for unrelated commitments so I'm asking as an "outsider")

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Old 08-07-2018, 07:03 PM   #22160
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What it is, really hard to win at llls or there are still tons of fish and eazy 10bb/hr to be had? Everyone is all dire as if the games are though to beat at all these days
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I think it depends where you play as well. The area I play the players are still terrible. The game on avg has gotten tougher I'm sure, but there are still plenty of players who have never improved since they started playing and never will.
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Old 08-07-2018, 07:06 PM   #22161
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I think it depends where you play as well. The area I play the players are still terrible. The game on avg has gotten tougher I'm sure, but there are still plenty of players who have never improved since they started playing and never will.
Vegas? Minnesota has games but they're 1-200, never played those faux nl games not sure if they play well?

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Old 08-07-2018, 07:12 PM   #22162
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California.
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Old 08-07-2018, 07:13 PM   #22163
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California.
Cost of living is crazy though. Although, I guess I could look for a roomie. Not sure how trusty worthy Craigslist is out there?

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Old 08-07-2018, 07:20 PM   #22164
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Yeah it definitely is. Though depends what your needs are and where specifically you want to stay. I'm in the Bay area which is highest in the state. So would not recommend here. Places like Sacramento ared more affordable. There are affordable places in LA as well, but usually in a ghetto area.
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Old 08-07-2018, 07:21 PM   #22165
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You'd have to be pretty dense to think GTO would apply in any way or form against 1/3 fish, who go bust within 2-3 hours where you may only be involved in 1 or 2 pots with them and the only thing that's required to felt them is to exploit a range advantage.

By all means, play GTO against the regs in your room with whom you have 50+ hrs of history, but to pretend it's necessary against an ever rotating opponent pool at 1/3 is lunacy.

I don’t think anyone stated or even suggested that gto was necessary or best to beat 1/3 donks.
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Old 08-08-2018, 01:13 AM   #22166
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I wouldn't even play close to GTO against 1/3 regs. They have such big leaks imo. For example, a lot of regs would cbet too much on the flop and when they check turn they fold too much (easy to pick up leak if you come from an online background).
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Old 08-08-2018, 03:12 AM   #22167
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I have no idea how some of you play that many hours at $2/5. Even $5/10 is way too small for me and completely bores me. I'm far from rich but I moved my way up.

That said, I can see how crazy winrates are possible at $2/5. I played 1 session of $2/5 2 weeks ago when I passed by a relatively new casino and $2/5 was the biggest game.

There was a spot where I turned the nuts as the PFR on a board of K548 and two people got all in with me. A $500 stack who claimed to have 2 pair and an $800 stack who was drawing completely dead (he showed an ace so best he could have was AK or AA, he did not have a flush draw). You never see that at higher stakes.
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Old 08-08-2018, 03:26 AM   #22168
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I have no idea how some of you play that many hours at $2/5. Even $5/10 is way too small for me and completely bores me. I'm far from rich but I moved my way up.

That said, I can see how crazy winrates are possible at $2/5. I played 1 session of $2/5 2 weeks ago when I passed by a relatively new casino and $2/5 was the biggest game.

There was a spot where I turned the nuts as the PFR on a board of K548 and two people got all in with me. A $500 stack who claimed to have 2 pair and an $800 stack who was drawing completely dead (he showed an ace so best he could have was AK or AA, he did not have a flush draw). You never see that at higher stakes.
Why wouldn't someone play a lot of hours at 2/5 making $50 an hour? You make it sound like drudgery when it is a relatively low stress way to make 100k a year.

Where do you play where you can consistently find bigger NL games than 5/10 that are soft? Also, how many hours are you putting in?
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Old 08-08-2018, 03:44 AM   #22169
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Not sure why you would find squid face "scary". The guy has been playing since the 90's and hasn't moved up to 5/10 even tho he boasts of making more than 100k every year at 2/5.
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Why wouldn't someone play a lot of hours at 2/5 making $50 an hour? You make it sound like drudgery when it is a relatively low stress way to make 100k a year.
You already answered that yourself.
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Old 08-08-2018, 03:58 AM   #22170
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What the hell are you talking about? Stop being a troll.
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Old 08-08-2018, 10:04 AM   #22171
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Why wouldn't someone play a lot of hours at 2/5 making $50 an hour? You make it sound like drudgery when it is a relatively low stress way to make 100k a year.
It's good money and no boss but it's for sure drudgery spending so many hours around degens. A legitimate career is 100x lower stress than life as a live pro. I love poker and do well but there's no way I could be a live pro.
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Old 08-08-2018, 11:09 AM   #22172
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It's good money and no boss but it's for sure drudgery spending so many hours around degens. A legitimate career is 100x lower stress than life as a live pro. I love poker and do well but there's no way I could be a live pro.
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Old 08-08-2018, 11:12 AM   #22173
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Yeah. I have ran businesses that are usually underfunded which absolutely sucks compared to dealing with a little variance at low stakes. And honestly if you're bothered by degens then maybe you're dealing with some insecurities of your own that you need to deal with if you can't laugh them off.

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Yeah. I have ran businesses that are usually underfunded which absolutely sucks compared to dealing with a little variance at low stakes. And honestly if you're bothered by degens then maybe you're dealing with some insecurities of your own that you need to deal with if you can't laugh them off.

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Old 08-08-2018, 12:02 PM   #22175
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Well yeah. Pretty sure most white collar 100k+ jobs with benefits is lower stress than live poker.

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Yeah. I have ran businesses that are usually underfunded which absolutely sucks compared to dealing with a little variance at low stakes. And honestly if you're bothered by degens then maybe you're dealing with some insecurities of your own that you need to deal with if you can't laugh them off.
Yeah running this kind of business does sound worse than being a live pro. Also thanks for your concern. I should learn to love foul mouthed degens swearing and drinking Maybe I've been harassed and threatened too many times, idk. I actually love my job so there's that.
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