Question for the field on hours necessary as a rec/reg to maintain your win rate. I normally play 1-2 sessions a week, ~ 2.5-5 hrs per session averaging right at 3.16 hrs per session. I’m at 10.1 bb’s / hr over 1,500 hrs at $1/2 - $2/5. I find when i’m Less than ~5 hrs a week for 4 or 5 weeks in a row my win rate drops. Does anyone have insight or data on their win rate vs. hrs playing per week or month? What do personally think are the minimum hours necessary to stay on your A game. Thanks.

Homer - yes Filavision is the developer for Poker Bankroll Tracker.

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Is RunGood Lite good or should one just upgrade to RunGood? Pro's and Con's between RunGood and Poker Journal?

Don't see strong correlation in my sessions

Good idea, I'm going to do this too, but without Ledger as it doesn't seem available for iOS.

Hadn't thought of the actual method yet, thanks tho. Hopefully I would have thought of this but you may have saved me hours...

RunGood lite is free but only lets you upload something like 10 sessions. Use it for free, see if you like it and then you can pay for the full version if you do. Theres no other difference. Just the limited amount of sessions.

The price and version history scared me away from RunGood. It looked fine, but less popular. With no updates in 2 years I worry that it may not be flawless on the latest iOS and with the latest devices and eventually will break and not be updated. Plus it's double the price so if it breaks or doesn't work with my phone I'll be pissed.

I was using Poker Income, but here are the issues I had with it

1) When I export the data to excel, it was imported in a completely random order, so I had to manually search the document by ctrlF searching for numbers that correlated to each session to re-arrange them.

2) When trying to write down my results for tax purposes at the end of year, lets say you scroll down to the bottom to get the buy in/times -- it doesnt hold your position when you go back, so you have to scroll all the way down each time

Both of these can of course be bypassed by simply writing down my results daily instead of waiting till the end of year, but I'm annoyed that I'm "forced" to do that.

My old phone actually broke, and despite having gotten a new one, I had to pay $300 to repair my old one for the sole purpose of retrieving my poker income stuff for taxes lol. Until somebody suggest a better alternative I'll prob download poker income again and just not wait till end of year to write down results

The shorter my sessions the higher my hourly due I suspect to declining concentration ability over time. After 8ish hours I notice a drop and after 10 to 12 a very noticeable drop.

You may have a different problem as you aren't playing that much. Maybe it takes you some time to get warmed up, back into the poker mindset. I've found like after I've been sick for a week and then start playing poker again I'm overly nervous the first hour or so and not on my A game.

Wp. Why tinker with what has been working over a decent sample size? If you can't make it to the card room, perhaps off-felt studying will help maintain sharpness.

Strange. I ve explorted plenty of times to excel and never had that issue. I also checked issue no 2 with cash sessions and it held the position.


Are you on android? IOS here.

There maybe selection bias in play here, because some people will stick longer if they re losing.

That's true and I used to do that but past ~5 months I've been deciding number of hours beforehand and just play that. I make occasional exceptions but it's based on how good the game is not whether I'm stuck. Like I figure I'm on my A game for about 8 hours then B game hours 8 to 10 then C game hours 10+. If the game is good enough though my B or even C game can still be very profitable

android indeed RIP

issue number two turned what should have been a 30-45minute task into one that took me nearly 3 hours. Its only once a year... but im a lazy POS ok

What's the conventional wisdom regarding high-hand prizes and including them in your win-rate?

At first I figured this was just lucky "gravy" and left it out. I play in a room with hourly prizes and rarely more than 3 tables running. So it's not really hard to win one. Over the last couple months, playing about 10 hours per week, I've scooped maybe half a dozen of these prizes. So it's not really negligible "gravy" anymore. It's real money.

There hasn't really been a conclusion on that topic. Many feel you should include it since your paying for the promotions via jackpot drop.

Personally, I have not included it because I feel it conflates my "true" winrate. I see it as more of a "bonus", similar to the $1/hour comps you get, but I couldn't fault anybody who chooses to include it.

Even if it's a signifcant portion of the jackpot drop, it would still act more as rakeback, not winrate, imo. I never played with rakeback tho so IDK if people considered that part of their WR.

I also never subtract tips from my WR because I consider it an inherent part of playing (similar to rake)

If you play in a room that takes $2 per hand for the jackpot and you never hit a high hand, your win rate is obviously going to be lower than a guy who plays in a room with no jackpot drop at all. If you win 2 pots per hour, hes got a $4/hr advantage on you.

If you hit your fair share of high hands or whatever bonuses your room pays, you should just about break even with the jackpot drop over the long term, so I include it. I dont see why you wouldnt. Actually the guy with no jackpot drop still has an advantage because most people give large tips (10%?) when they hit a high hand.

Your profit might be higher one month if you hit a couple jackpots and lower in months where you dont hit any, but long term it about the same as if there was no high hand drop at all so if you want a fair comparison to other players, I would include it.

Another subject is hourly comps or rakeback if you want to call it that. I play in the nittiest room on earth. My win rate is substantially higher in any other room in the area, but they pay $4.32/hr in comps (which I dont include in win rate), but makes a big difference in total profit.

$15 on $300?

Kosher?

That's fine. Some give more. Some give less. I'm a fixture in my room so I give a bit more, especially to dealers I like and run their games well. In a random room where I'm passing thru town I would probably give 5%.

I would factor in jackpots and high hands since you are paying for them but not comps unless you can turn the comps into cash. If you're playing long sessions usually and eating multiple casino meals a day the comps probably don't even cover them depending on where you play.

I can turn my comps into cash (about 95 cents on the dollar) but I still dont count that in my win rate.

You can include them but I would put them in a separate category so you can filter them out in case you're running hot with promos. Poker Babkroll Tracker has a Jackpot/Bonus category that is easy to filter out. If you win a big BBJ I definitely would not count that in your winrate because of how much it skews the results but stuff you can expect to win reasonably often like high hands are fine. Though I would still separate them.

Personally I haven't won a promo HH or anything since February so it makes literally no difference on my winrate.

How do you do this? I haven't figured out a good way to make use of comps at the Hard Rock. Can't use the comps on slots or other games. Have to use them on food, drink, services, or massively overpriced swag like Oakleys. Guess I could buy and sell Oakleys but it's probably like 40 cents on the dollar return.

Also they expire every 60 days which is super annoying. I've let over 1k in comps just disappear because there's nothing I want to buy. And for a while I wasnt aware they expired.