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Old 06-13-2018, 12:37 PM   #21701
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Old 06-13-2018, 01:18 PM   #21702
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OP doesn't actually say he won online, just that he played very big. I'm sure he did but...we don't know for sure!

there's a guy in my game who talks a lot about how he sat OTB Red Baron and battled him for most of a week but this only proves he's a degenerate with bad judgement and doesn't give any indication of his potential win rate at 2/5/10
Thanks for taking time to respond.

Am a winner from 2010-2015 at all stakes from .10/.25-50/100. Don’t think I’m that competitive in today’s online atmosphere as I haven’t worked with PiO. But from what I’ve seen I have a significant edge in the live games I play.

It makes me wonder what kind of winrates are possible bc I don’t see too many people who have thought about the game that deeply, even regs who I assume win. That being said I’ve definitely made mistakes (and still make them) because of not adjusting to live play correctly or by over-adjusting.

I will report back in here when I have more hours
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:00 PM   #21703
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The point is if you got AA vs. KK ten times in one session and lost 3/10 instead of 2/10 you’d be saying “gosh how bad do I run to lose 3/10 times there” rather than recognizing how insanely hot you are running to even be in that position.

That’s why I laugh whenever mike brings up his All-In EV nonsense, ignoring the irony that for someone who claims not to understand poker math he thinks he can calculate that number even if he can’t see his opponent’s cards and certainly doesn’t know what his range is in that spot (arguably more important).
Never have I said I dont understand poker math. Ive said I don't rely on it robotically some people do and play a lot more by feel than most. Im not a math genius but I can calculate outs based on most likely ranges.

Ive also kept track for a while and saw my villian's actual cards in 85% of All in pots. I either lost and saw them, they are the one who went all in and had to show first, or they showed when didnt have it. When I dont see their cards the other 15% of the time, its not too hard to figure out how many outs they had with an obvious +/- factor that doesnt change the overall math that much.

If I give them an extra 2 outs one time and 3 few outs one time its gonna even out and not affect the overall total that much when its only 15% of the time that I'm estimating.

When I state my All in EV total its obviously not exact but I bet the margin of error is in the 2-4% range.

Johnny, you tried to play pro and failed. You obviously have some deep seeded hate for those of us who didnt fail. Get over it, dude.
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:03 PM   #21704
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Thanks guys. Much appreciated. I have been thinking that $75/hr is possible but I’m probably just running hot in big pots and it’s skewed my thinking
there were two crushers in my 5/5 game who were beating the game by that or a little more - can't remember exactly what they told me. most people in here don't believe them/me but I definitely do. they destroyed the game and have gone on to be dominant pros at very high stakes (mainly PLO, thankfully so I don't ever play against them)

I'm sure your fundamentals are at least as strong as theirs if you were beating that high online, so it's just about whether you can develop the right exploitative strategy for different villains and if you can adapt to the pace and idiosyncracies of the live environment and stay away from all the temptations of various kinds you'll encounter
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:06 PM   #21705
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Mike, it sounds like you do a bunch of stat tracking at the table (not only from keeping track of all-in EVs but also your win/loss of all hands if I'm not mistaken). Do you find that taxing / mentally exhausting / difficult (especially if caught up in table conversations or the next hand or whatever)? I've done just a little bit of stat tracking at the table and find it really takes a toll mentally, and I'm glad when my little stat collecting projects are over.

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Old 06-13-2018, 06:20 PM   #21706
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Mike, it sounds like you do a bunch of stat tracking at the table (not only from keeping track of all-in EVs but also your win/loss of all hands if I'm not mistaken). Do you find that taxing / mentally exhausting / difficult (especially if caught up in table conversations or the next hand or whatever)? I've done just a little bit of stat tracking at the table and find it really takes a toll mentally, and I'm glad when my little stat collecting projects are over.

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I dont find it hard at all. I probably play 23% or so of my hands. That means I fold 77%. My room is reg infested so I dont need to watch every hand to get reads. I have plenty of down time to track stuff.

The only tracking Ive found tiring is when I was tracking my VPIP and raise%. I havent done that in a while.
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Old 06-13-2018, 09:30 PM   #21707
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Mike that is hilarious considering my primary income is still derived from poker and has been for 27 months now.
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Old 06-13-2018, 09:47 PM   #21708
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Never have I said I dont understand poker math. Ive said I don't rely on it robotically some people do and play a lot more by feel than most. Im not a math genius but I can calculate outs based on most likely ranges.
In spirit with the new thread title and my own contrarian nature, I must point out I seem to recall doing a LOT of poker math in your PGC thread that you didn't remotely understand. Nothing wrong with that, I don't think you really need to understand poker math that well to crush LLSNL, but realistically you probably comprehend like 10% of poker math.

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Old 06-13-2018, 10:30 PM   #21709
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:49 PM   #21710
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just popped in to lurk. it's hot in here :P
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Old 06-14-2018, 09:38 PM   #21711
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Anyone have advice on pasting an Excel graph (picture)?
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Old 06-14-2018, 09:45 PM   #21712
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Print screen (or windows sniping tool) crop. Save to Imgur.
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Old 06-14-2018, 09:58 PM   #21713
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Old 06-14-2018, 10:30 PM   #21714
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In spirit with the new thread title and my own contrarian nature, I must point out I seem to recall doing a LOT of poker math in your PGC thread that you didn't remotely understand. Nothing wrong with that, I don't think you really need to understand poker math that well to crush LLSNL, but realistically you probably comprehend like 10% of poker math.

-JealousHaterOfMike/MathBot
Can you post a graph since you moved to Tampa. I have no doubt that you are a math genius and I am confidant when I say I can read people unlike very few other people can do. Id love to see a graph of a math expert compared to mine.
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Old 06-15-2018, 01:35 AM   #21715
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Old 06-15-2018, 06:27 AM   #21716
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Can you post a graph since you moved to Tampa. I have no doubt that you are a math genius and I am confidant when I say I can read people unlike very few other people can do. Id love to see a graph of a math expert compared to mine.
You know I don't have anywhere close to the hours you do and I'm not challenging your winrate or criticizing your play. Geez, seems your response to anything slightly critical is whipping out the llsnl e-peen graphs.

You are the one who called me a math bot btw. I make no claims to being a math genius. And I think I read people pretty well. It isn't an either/or proposition to know poker math and reading people.

FTR I have like 800ish hrs of 1/2 at ~10BB/hr and 103 hrs of 2/5 at ~16BB/hr. I had the 1/2 uploaded to my phone in poker bankroll tracker but phone bricked about 6 weeks ago and I lost all data. I got a new one but have only uploaded my current 2/5 games. I do have the 1/2 session results written down but don't feel like recreating 80ish sessions for your viewing pleasure. It wouldn't be enough anyway because real crushers need to make 15BB/hr at 1/2 like you do right?

I can upload my 2/5 graph if you want but it's pretty pointless at this stage. Guess you'll just have to wait a bit for a meaningful graph from me.
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Old 06-15-2018, 08:33 AM   #21717
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How is everything I say on this site turned into a negative? I said you are a math genius as a compliment and I meant it. SMH
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Old 06-15-2018, 09:38 AM   #21718
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Print screen (or windows sniping tool) crop. Save to Imgur.
I saved to Imgur, then copied Imgur URL in the "Insert Image" icon, but image does not appear, only <IMG>Imgur URL<IMG>.
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Old 06-15-2018, 09:52 AM   #21719
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I saved to Imgur, then copied Imgur URL in the "Insert Image" icon, but image does not appear, only <IMG>Imgur URL<IMG>.
copy the forum/bbcode link from imgur and paste it directly into your post instead of using the insert image tool
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Old 06-15-2018, 10:08 AM   #21720
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or you can copy the imgur dot com slash Kdjednf from your browser, make the address i dot imgur dot com slash Dicdjf6s dot jpg, and put that in the IMG tags
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Old 06-15-2018, 12:26 PM   #21721
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copy the forum/bbcode link from imgur and paste it directly into your post instead of using the insert image tool
Not yet working. Tried pasting imgur link directly using the Insert Link icon, then tried directly into the post. Didn't appear to be a hot link, showed url tags. I don't know if it will after submitting post.
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Old 06-15-2018, 01:29 PM   #21722
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In a gallery view, right click on the image on imgur and select "copy image location" and you'll get a link that looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/p57kF2a.jpg

If you click this forum's "insert image" and paste that link in, it'll work:

If you're signed in and viewing the image itself, there's a link on the side for "BBCode (message boards & forums)" that'll look like: [***]https://i.imgur.com/zjKBq3V.jpg[/***] where the *** is "img". Copy and paste that link and it'll work like this:

The key thing as far as I can tell is that it needs to be the "i.imgur" link that ends in .jpg. If it's another URL it won't work.
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Old 06-15-2018, 04:55 PM   #21723
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Angrist that was much more coherent than my post but same thing lol. To be fair I wrote it hastily before leaving Sheetz
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Old 06-15-2018, 05:00 PM   #21724
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Finally attained 1k hours at $2/$5 NL. Retiring last year has given me more time to grab volume. >90% of hours in one Northeast room.

Below is an Excel graph (thx to foz, homey, angrist) showing $000 on y-axis, hours on x-axis and BB/Hr. on y2-axis. Here is summary:
Hours: 1,000.4
$000: 28.45
BB/Hr: 5.7

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Old 06-15-2018, 05:04 PM   #21725
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Nice results samo. Very grinder-esque.
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