Sick. What's the max buy-in and what casino is this?

Buyin is 300-1000 @ Talking Stick Casino in Scottsdale, AZ.

It's actually a spread limit game so the max bet/raise is 500. Not true no-limit, but plays similarly in most spots. The only exceptions are there's very little bluffing once the pot reaches 1500 or so.

Question: How do you handle promotion scores in regards to your poker winrate? You are constantly feeding the promotion prize pool out of your poker stack (which effects your statkeeping) so when you get a promotion prize should you add that to your current sessions total?

I add it in. I average a high hand score ($250) every 100 hours or so. Ive never been fortunate enough to be part of a bbj (since ive been record keeping) but would count that as well.

I just add it in. For me, it's all part of the big score. In the long run, it all evens out theoretically.

I think about it this way, On every hand I win, I'm giving the casino and its dealers an average of $5-6 in promotion drop, rake, and tips. If I'm playing lots of pots, this can come out to $40-$50 an hour. If I'm playing tighter, it's probably closer to $25-$30. If I somehow win $50 or $100 here or there with a random promotion (happens maybe once every 30-40 hours?), I add it to my stack and mostly forget about it. The wins are minuscule compared to the consistent dollars flowing out of my stack into the black boxes.

In the maybe 3000 hours I've played in casinos, I've never been part of a BBJ. I don't know how some people have been part of like four or five or six.

I add it in as a separate game "$0/0 Jackpot".

So it shows in my overall stats, but can be filtered out easily too.

It makes me laugh when people say this.

What value are you providing to society at your office job cranking out tickets? All you are doing is the same repetitive work for pennies while someone else is making millions or billions off your effort.

Pushing paper in an office isn’t benefiting society. Only the owner of the company.

Getting back on track... If a local
Casino has 1/2 with $5 bring in... will buying in for $200 seriously cripple me? I want to take a 10 BI shot with 2k

Why laugh when people are expressing deep thoughts? Anybody who's played lots of poker, and has taken shots at make a living from it, has felt similar things RE: the negativity of the casino environment and not making a contribution, whether he likes to admit it or not. If he hasn't felt these things, there's something shallow about his perception of the world.

It's not just an either/or, poker or corporate world choice we as men have. We can seek other avenues to find purpose in our lives. I've resisted entering the corporate world my entire life. I worked at one startup for about 4 months, but that was the only real job I've had.

Whether we find purpose or not is not the issue. It's a natural human, especially male, tendency to want to understand life and our role as a tiny speck of dust. Otherwise, nihilism eats away at us.

The lack of purpose is a major reason there's a crisis among western men. We feel like we are just cogs in the big machine. Society wants to deaden our spirits and demands sheep-like conformity. We live in existential angst most of the time. Hence, the addiction to opioids, rising suicide rates, and materialism in the US.

Back on track: Nobody can tell you how you're going to do or how you're going to run. Are you good at poker? Have you won consistently in the past? How does your game play? Passive or aggressive? High or low variance? What are other people buying in for? Just superficially, I'd say $2000 in a $5 game is a tiny bankroll and is not really enough if you want to take the game seriously. But nobody is stropping you from taking a few shots. You don't need anybody's permission to take relatively small risks.

The $5 bring in really doesn't change the game much, except to force Vs to play a little better by not limping. it is still a 1/2 game, just one that you never see a "free" flop from the BB in.

Once again we are going off the rails. Multiple posts deleted. Please re-read the terms of use for this thread and stop derailing it, all.

Sorry Garick I posted that b4 I seen your post.

I figured. I just deleted it.

What's a 5 dollar bring-in? Can someone elaborate?

You can't limp for $2

Go for it unless busting will represent a major problem for you. 2k may or may not be enough depending how you play. For me it would not be enough.

But if you play like the typical 1/2 nit grinder I can't imagine losing 2k.

More specifically, it means that if you open, you must open for $5 or more.

Thanks. I should note, if it’s not obvious, I’m talking PLO 1/2 with $5 bring in.

Then $2000 is basically like 2-3 shots. Definitely not enough to constitute a real "bankroll." I mean, not to say you can't run good and run it up, but you're basically going to be flipping for large percentages of your bankroll several times. Not really the way to go if you want to take poker seriously.

PLO plays like at least 3 times bigger than the same stakes of NL.

But, then again, if you want the excitement of playing in a game way bigger than you are comfortable with, go for it.

makes sense because ive only ever seen plo have the 5 bring in rule for counting od the pot.

I havent studied the swings of plo to know how the swings compare, but from looking at the table when the game runs, 2k is like an average stack, not a bankroll. stick to nlhe for now if bankroll management is a thing for you.

I'm sure this question has been asked but it is kind of hard to comb through hundreds of pages. I turned 21 in January and am a college student and have played 54 hours at 1/2 NL and have recently just ramped up the hours I have been playing. What is a good sample size, in hours, for live NL? I was thinking 500 hours but am not sure. Also to go along with hours, what is a good win rate at 1/2 NL and 2/5 NL? I haven't yet been able to play 2/5 due to brm but am trying grind up.

Thanks!

Some people say there is never a big enough sample size.

I'm in the 500 hours camp personally but keep in mind your game at 500 hours should be completely different than your game at 50 hours.

10 BB's per hour seem to be considered a "good" winrate.

FTFY

Generally ~1k hours will give you a pretty good idea of where you lay. But 500 hours should suffice to tell you if you're likely a winning player or not, I assume your intention is mostly just to figure out if you're good enough to continue putting more effort into poker.

Hard to get hours in while you're in college. the best play is to grind hard on weekends, but costs your social life. GL

I've played a lot of $1/2 PLO in the last year, with a $2 and a $5 bring in. The $5 makes it a little bigger, but for the most part it's a small difference if you're playing "nit-pot" with a short stack. $2k is pathetically small to handle that game though. If you're playing correctly you'll get into a lot of spots where you'll be coinflipping over dead money, or calling all in preflop with 30% equity against 3 other players. So you can easily get it in good and burn through $2k in no time.

After about 500 hours you should have a good sense for if you're likely to be a winner or not. Your WR may be significantly off your "true" WR still. I have 500 hours sessions where a couple of nasty run-bad stretches put be BE or negative. But I could tell that from the way the hands went and how the money went in.

So you shouldn't point to just a raw number, but you can look at your actual *play* over such a time. (Which may be a year or more playing live as a rec.)

I think that after about 1000 or 2000 hours you have a reasonable number for a WR, but f you haven't become a better player over that time you're doing something wrong.

Just got to 1000 hours of 1/2 NLHE last night and figured I'd post my stats here since I read this thread a ton and never post.

Background: Las Vegas grinder, online player
Currently play mostly live 1/2-2/5 PLO, live 1/2-5/10 NLHE, online 0.5/1-3/6 PLO/NLHE.


Bulk of these games are in Vegas although the Seneca stats are from when I lived in Buffalo NY. I never table select and I usually play in pretty terrible games due to promos (TI/Southpoint, Harrahs, Ballys). You can see how much better my WRs are in non promo games due to no nit promo grinders just sitting around breaking even. These win rates do not include the extra money I make from the promos being run in the rooms.

Here are my 1000 hour stats over every room I've played in filtered for 1/2, 1/3, 2/3 NLHE.