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Originally Posted by meale
FWIW I'm of the position that 10bb/hr is MORE likely to be achievable in the high rake environments because the quality of play is so much lower.
But often this 10bb/hr thing comes largely down to structure. I'd be willing to bet my left nut that no one on earth could win @ 10bb/hr at Crown Melbourne 1/2. My left nut.
These two statements seem contradictory to me, no?
GcluelesscontradictorynoobG
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II said this earlier, but I don't think a top notch player's rate should be much different between 1/3 and 2/5. Because:
Rake is lower.
Players sit deeper.
These 2 reasons make it make it much more likely that higher winrates are possible at bigger games due to the crippling rake being outrun.
GcluelesscripplingrakenoobG
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I think addressing these spots is probably the best thing to do, really. I thought about starting a thread but I'm not sure if it's appropriate.
I had one the other day. It was just like a video. Bad rec who played half his hands limped. Folded to me. Button and blinds were really tight. I raised SCs. Everyone folded to the limper. He called. He donked the flop, which gave me a gutshot and backdoor flush. It was a textbook float spot, given my hand and the situation. The turn was an ace and gave me an FD. He check folded.
I paid 20% of my winnings to rake and tip. If I'd raised a dollar more pre, I'd have paid another dollar. This was with no promo drop.
Is this a winning play?
This is a very good question, imo.
Again, in crippling rake conditions, you have to be that much better than your opponents to have these plays profitable. In games that outrun the rake, it's not nearly as much a concern.
Gunfortunately,likelynottheplaceforitG
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Originally Posted by ZuneIt
You can buy in @ Harrahs in Atlantic City for $500 into a 1/2NL game. Rake is $4 & $2 for BBJ & no flop/no drop.
At the Borgata, it's $4 max rake & $1 BBJ but max buy-in is $300
At the MGM @ National Harbor MD, where I play 1/3NL, it's $500 max buy-in, $5 rake & $2 for BBJ taken out at $10 & $30 & no flop/no drop.
Most of the players at MGM have money, so even though they may buy-in for $300, they have several bullets in their pockets.
How often do you get on a table where someone burns through $1K+? I can find a table like that most nights. Pots of $200+ quite often.
Does that sound like your poker room?
No, not at all, and it's also not addressing the conditions I'm addressing (which is high relative rake in low BI games).
FWIW, over time, your rake will definitely go up simply due to inflation and the poker rooms needing to stay ahead of the curve financially. So while they are good now, they can (and will) only get worse.
GcluelessrakenoobG
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Originally Posted by YGOchamp
Which is EXACTLY why I've been so confidently preaching that high WR's are super attainable in 1/2. fwiw I also think most people at 2/5 are also bad, but they at least have a clue, whereas the majority of 1/2 players are just terrible and never adjust so you can exploit them over and over (okay, not NEVER, but you get the point).
I've also addressed this in other parts of this thread. Basically, you're assuming there is a big degree of difference in skill level between 1/2 NL tables and 2/5 NL tables. This is really room dependent, but (a) that skill level difference is lessening, and while I'll admit it could definitely still be fairly wide in multi-steak rooms, (b) it is totally non-applicable to rooms that only have 1 steak (I know you likely play in a multi-steak room, but there are *lots* of us that don't).
GcluelesssteaksnoobG
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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
Not intended to be a brag, but my WR is 70% higher over the last 2+ years playing $2/5 exclusively than it was playing $1/2 and some $2/5. I'm not trying to share my WR but based on the numbers thrown around here I'm an well-above-average winning player. This is in spite of a *gasp* RAKE INCREASE!!!! (now $5+2)
To be fair to GG, 100bb cap games are tougher to beat, especially when not everybody is buying in to the max and topping off.
If you're someone who's only making 3-5BB or less at 1/2 or 1/3 over any significant sample, you haven't put the work in to improve enough to win more. It's that simple.
Is it possible your winrate is also higher simply because you are outrunning the rake / small BI cap of your smaller games? (obviously it helps that you've studied and improved your game, not saying that doesn't have a big affect as well)
Your rake in your big game is still less than mine in my small game ($7 + $1, will be moving to $8 + $1 fairly shortly just like other rooms in the area). Have you actually considered how big just a $1 increase in rake in a small BI game has on our bottom line? If you start crunching the numbers, it might surprise you. Actually had a local travelling pro tell me that when the rake increases to $9 (which it inevitably will) in a our $300 max BI game that the game will be unbeatable; I actually don't agree with him, but it definitely will be flat out impossible to crush.
GcluelessrakenoobG
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