Thanks so much for the feedback! I honestly appreciate it! Yes u are correct I wanna say in the first 200 hours I was definitely playing way too tight passive and once I started playing more and learning more I started playing more aggressive (and started having bigger swings lol big loses and big wins as well)

Absolutely! I feel like it’s a little bit of both I honestly feel like I’ve been on the bad side of variance more than I should be ( but hey that’ s poker and all I can do is get my money in good and long term it’ll be profitable) but I’ve also definitely left money on the table by not value betting thin enough or big enough. I’ve definitely learned recently that bet folding in 1/3 is huge! So much missed value can come from just checking and the large majority of players don’t ever raise as a bluff so I learned to utilize that.

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Also, dont get me started on the LOL online players beating online games using a HUD and having no idea how to develop actual reads and are playing blind when they play live and some of them literally act like they are blind.

Sorry, Sir....you dont get to see that your villain calls the river 24.3% of the time before you decide to bet or not.

Well that's not really fair. Online players use huds because they're playing more than 1 table at a time. Developing 'reads' is not difficult to do regardless of your background when you're just sitting there playing 30 hands an hour.

hoping for at least a 20 poast debate on the topic.

I will argue that it's good for my WR when HUDsters stay on the webz.

Except that a lot of these guys have ADD and cant just sit and concentrate on the players in all the hands they arent in when the game moves at the slow place they arent used to. They sit there playing on their phone or watching a movie.

Wondering what people's biggest downswings and breakeven stretches have been. I've got 165 (and several other ~140) hour breakeven stretches and a $5300 downswing at 2/5 (some 2/5/10). This is over 940 hours while running hot overall

The graph represents the last 750 hrs for me (90% 2/5), the break even stretch lasted about 300 hours when I sucked and didn't run all that well.

Now I suck and have been running really freaking well.

[x] in before GG bringing up his 955bb downswings for the umpteenth time.

My longest break even was very very long, but that also entailed the downswing taking place at 10/10 and 2/5 and the grinding myself out of it at 1/3. Talk about a massive test of mental fortitude. Ugh makes me shiver just thinking about those dark days.

It's the same game except against weaker players making larger mistakes.

Yes there are nuances to live poker that can improve w/r, but a winning online player with solid preflop /postflop ranges, discipline and tilt control will be massively +ev in an avg llsnl lineup.

Adjusting to massive multiway pots vs weak ranges of passive players is pretty straightforward. Being able to sit there and fold through periods of boredom and frustration would be the hardest adjustment IMO

All, this is not the live vs. online thread. Stop with this derail now.

If your local 2/5 games are filled with perceived wizards, then find somewhere else to play. (Although quite rare). My local games at least 70% of the players never played a hand online before Black Friday, across all age spans of these guys, it's very easy to tell listening to their comments and poor play fundamentally. Not looking to continue a live/online debate but some people seem to be forgetting that 2/5 games in a nutshell should be soft. As the very very good and absolute best have moved up in stakes usually unless bigger game selection is obsolete. There should never be a time where you feel you are playing in a "tough" 2/5 game unless you have no game selection luxury. Luckily I do, and will tupically not sit in a (9 handed) game with more than 2 other good players even if there is a giant whale there, there is no need for me to get in that game with more good players than mentioned.

HUGE leak. Are you that afraid of good players? I personally don't even care if the best player at the table is on my left as long as the whale's on my right. Sure they can put me in tough spots in position and deep but the regs aren't there to go to war with other regs they are there to try to stack the whale just like you are. Also knowing how to handle better players helps you become a better player.

Why is having good game selection a huge leak? Perhaps I overstated my willingness to play with other good players but my point is that I become better from talking hands with a few guys in my room and on here. 5/10 in my area is pretty dead and the occasional bigger game 10/25 will break out which I'm not rolled for so I'm not concerned with improving to move up that big. I am content with my game and selection knowing that 2/5 is the juciest game in my area that I will be rolled for unless I move to somewhere else in the country which I'm not planning on anytime soon. I don't need to put my money in higher varirence spots against the hand full of good players at my level in hopes of "getting better" when I find conversation and forum much more valuable. Sure, I would play at the table with a whale and 3-4 other good regs depending on stack size of whale, but to think that is a better choice than playing in a typical game with moderately stacked fish (5-6) is far more +Eve and I don't see the argument there given the perdicaments of my local area

Some good points RiverRat.

Like yeah, in a shortsighted perspective it might hurt your winrate a little bit to put in hours in lineups with tougher opponents or several regs. But as pointed out, i also believe it will have positive impact on developing your game and your skillset. When you have a couple of other good winning players at the table you need to learn the game on a more complexe strategy level- because you simply need to take into account alot more stuff than just how to slaughter the fish. I am not saying you dont know this stuff porkfreerize, but its something to keep in mind for more inexperienced players. Sometimes the best way to learn, is to experience how its like to face off against better players.

Since ive started out i pretty much always have had at least 1 or 2 other good regs/winning players at my table, due to very limited game selection possibilities. That made me learn quicker on alot of parameters- because i was simply forced to adapt when i find myself with 2 other good regs at my table.

Ya my point was that since I have enough games to chose from, that I don't HAVE to. My usual table is 2-3 other good players, me, and the rest meh/fish which I find nothing wrong with to hinder my game given my explanation as far as bigger games go. It's not like I'm Never playing with and hands with other solid regs in a pot geesh.

longest ~BE stretch was 400 hours back when I was still playing 1/2 and shot-taking 2/5 (and failing lol)

I am currently experiencing my biggest downswing; -14.3k over the last 40 hours which is a mix of 2/5 and T/T. Hopefully it doesn't get too much worse than that lol. Worst previous downswing was 9k.

I have just under 2.2k hours

Ouch that's a lot of buyins if mostly 2/5. Hopefully it turns around for you soon. How far are you going to push it before you drop down to rebuild your roll?

Does anyone use the "friends list" on Poker Bankroll tracker? I wanted to test it out before asking my friends to download/use this app. Feel free to add me to give it a try "Mojojo16". PM me with your username so i can test this out.

Thanks

Fish on a 100k heater ldo

11.6k/14.3k is from T/T so not that many big blinds overall. Just spazzed off a few times for lots of $$ into the nuts and then have been running into a lot of coolers.

I am over-rolled + have a ft job, so no need to rebuild thankfully. Just gotta play better/grind it out. I am going to be more stringent about game selection though for sure and will be more likely to just play 2/5 over T/T if the T/T lineup isn't great.


Edit:
+1

This will probably jinx me but yesterday I broke my record for longest winning streak. 15 sessions in a row. During that time I won at $148.50/hr playing all 2/5

My previous best was 14 in a row at $93.50/hr.

Long live snowbirds!

15/12 is certainly nitty in that if you're playing that tight you're probably VPIPing less than any person at any 2/5 table, and definitely calling less than any person at a 2/5 table. Doesn't necessarily mean it's nitty in that playing more hands would be optimal (I have no idea if that's the case) but people will probably note that you're very, very tight. They may not adjust though.