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Old 12-31-2017, 01:28 PM   #20326
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won’t play until next year so here are my final 2017 results. Gotta think that my highest volume day (Saturday, 159 hours) having a net of +$66 or $0.41/hr might be a problem. Fridays are second with 119 hours and a $22 hourly



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Old 12-31-2017, 01:59 PM   #20327
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A tale of two halves of the year. 90% at 2/5 NLHE the rest a mix of 1/2, 5T, and PLO/PLO8
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Old 12-31-2017, 02:58 PM   #20328
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*** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***

I had a goal to play 200 hours this year, pretty much blew that away. I probably should play more 5/10, as my WR is 86bb/hr, obv sustainable, I guess they just respect my raises






Since I started taking poker more seriously in July 2016



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Old 12-31-2017, 07:26 PM   #20329
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A tale of two halves of the year. 90% at 2/5 NLHE the rest a mix of 1/2, 5T, and PLO/PLO8]
Nice werk mang. That squid coaching dun paid off
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Old 12-31-2017, 07:37 PM   #20330
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Nice werk mang. That squid coaching dun paid off
Thanks mang. It's funny - his few brief, simple tidbits have had more of an impact than any other advice I've gotten.

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Old 12-31-2017, 07:38 PM   #20331
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Whats with all the realistic graphs itt? Dont you guys know how to shop a 90 degree line?

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My Poker Income Pro had my standard deviation at over $500,000 per hour...I don't think that's accurate...
Prolly accurate if you are playing 1/3 plo imo
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Old 12-31-2017, 08:16 PM   #20332
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Here are my results from my PG&C thread.
https://gyazo.com/92083d452a740635e133b7470a6147c7
https://gyazo.com/a7035fe02e002418453251761b490e74
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Old 01-01-2018, 08:03 AM   #20333
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Wp mreps
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Old 01-01-2018, 03:54 PM   #20334
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Old 01-01-2018, 11:01 PM   #20335
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2017:
Recreated pretty hard.

Hours: 739
BBs won: 8390
11.3 bb/hr

Happy to see all of the success in this thread. Keep it up guys!
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Old 01-02-2018, 02:39 AM   #20336
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Please rate my 2017 results playing 1-2 NL.

Hi,

I've been playing off and on for around 10 or 11 years. This year is by far the most hours I've played and also the 1st time I've kept any meaningful records.

I'd like some advice on how to improve my win rate for 2018.

I watch several vlogs on you tube (Neeme, Owen, Vaughan, Jaman, etc.) and like the way they explain their thinking in the hand. I also read some of the Live Low stakes NL threads.

I don't have anyone to talk to about hands or strategy. My girlfriend doesn't play poker.

I'm sure that I tip too much. I'll usually tip $1 even if I just win the blinds. I also will give the dealer $3, $4 or $5 when I win a $200-$300 pot and always tip $1 on average size pots.

I usually underestimate peoples stupidity when I attempt a bluff. I figure theres no way they can call and they still do.

I believe one leak I have is paying off players on the river when I only have a high pocket pair or over pair.

Most of my sessions start off with me being down $100 or $200 before grinding it back.

My results for 1-2 NL for 2017 are as follows.

Total win: $11,934.
Total hours: 1101.
BB/HR: 5.38
ROI: 19%

My average session length was around 6 hours long and most of my play was in the afternoon.

Thanks for any constructive comments.
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Old 01-02-2018, 03:03 AM   #20337
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Re: Please rate my 2017 results playing 1-2 NL.

The top 3 things that are biggest to my winrate are:

1) Always looking to table change if im on a stagnant table. This is by far the biggest difference maker.

2) Playing later. My winrate is 3x bigger from 6-10 as it is from before 6 and 5 times bigger between 10 and 2am. More bad players and normally good players who are playing subpar has an immense impact.

3) Not getting tricky. I learned to play in a group of dealers and solid poker players where tricky play was the norm. It took me ages to adjust to a normal game and the the difference was to stop being tricky. Players just don't think on as high a level as you give them credit for. Bet strong when you have the goods and get out of the way when an opponent is showing lots of strength.
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Old 01-02-2018, 03:27 AM   #20338
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1. You are tipping WAY TOO MUCH! My win rate is close to 2x yours, I don't tip anywhere near what you do, yet my tip expense in 2017 was 10.xx% of my gross!
Unless you are crushing 1/2 & 1/3NL [12BB+], it is hard to keep that expense down.
Giving the dealer $1 when you win the blinds is ridiculous! They don't expect a tip. Do you know how much they make? Where I play, they avg over 60K a year! Some drive a Mercedes, others a Lexus! $400 watches that have text capability!! Ladies wearing $3K worth of jewelry!!! With nothing but a H.S. education!!

That's why they chat it up with the table & talk sports etc. They want everyone to think that they like everyone, but when was the last time you had dinner with them? They are an expense & nothing but an expense.

If I profit $15 & take it down otf, I give them $1 every other time. If it goes to the river I give them $1.00. Otherwise, it's $1.00 per $100 profit. Sometimes $2.00 to the dealers I see outside the poker room.

When we didn't have legalized gambling here, we had home games with dealers. Some had only 1 table of cash & 2 dealers, so they only dealt 30 minutes out of the hour. A friend of mine dealt & said if everyone tipped him $1.00 every hand, he'd be a happy camper. It was 5/5NL.

So STOP IT!

Vlogs: Jaman is a good one to watch. Neeme, well I don't know how he makes a living. I truly believes he makes up some of those hands that he calls down with to get action from those in Vegas who watch. It takes him an avg of 9 hrs to edit a video & he's made 100 of them. That's 900 hours. If 1/2 that time was personal & playing time he gave up, that's 450 hrs away from the table. If he's not playing 2/5NL & he avg just 8BBs per hr, that's $18,000.00 in lost revenue!! And don't forget: he also plays 5/10NL. Where's the upside to that?
Finally: Neeme often says "I don't know" ...........really?! He doesn't know & he's playing 5/10NL?? Bullshytt!!!! I watch strictly for the entertainment value.

Splitsuit & PokerBank vids are a better way to spend your time.

Do not get married to a table!!!!! Always be on the prowl for the best game!!!!!

And of course, always be studying your game, which requires you to make notes on important hands for later study.

Finally: Get a poker session app where you can keep notes on players, unless the player pool is so large you hardly ever see the same player twice.

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Old 01-02-2018, 09:11 AM   #20339
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Welcome to the LLSNL forum, ssomega.

You've found a place to talk poker. Post some hands. Ask about lines. You're not crushing, but anything winning over 1K+ hours is good, and 5+BB/hr is nothing to sneeze at.

If you plug the three leaks you've already identified (overtipping, trying to bluff stations and paying off river bets), you'll likely increase your winrate significantly.
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Old 01-02-2018, 10:25 AM   #20340
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2017:
Recreated pretty hard.

Hours: 739
BBs won: 8390
11.3 bb/hr

Happy to see all of the success in this thread. Keep it up guys!
Strong work on all fronts mang!

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Old 01-02-2018, 11:03 AM   #20341
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I usually underestimate peoples stupidity when I attempt a bluff. I figure theres no way they can call and they still do.
Preach. This one is the hardest. Write down something like "The 5 commandments" for yourself and read before each session.

Commandment 1: "I shall not bluff. I will play as if my opponents feel physical pain when they fold."

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I believe one leak I have is paying off players on the river when I only have a high pocket pair or over pair.
Preach

Commandment 2: "I shall not check/call river, and I shall fold to river donks"

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Most of my sessions start off with me being down $100 or $200 before grinding it back.
Preach

Commandment 3: "I shall not open up my game until 1 hour has passed. I shall fold AQ/88 utg. I shall 3bet AK/QQ+ only until this hour has passed"
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Old 01-02-2018, 11:06 AM   #20342
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happy new year everyone & gl with your 2018 goals!

2017 Results:

Graph: https://imgur.com/a/7TpGH

Main Games:
2/5NL: +42,037; 513 hrs; 81.92/hr; 16.38bb/hr
T/TNL: +44,787; 235 hrs; 190.92/hr; 19.09bb/hr

Other:
1/2NL: -108; 27 hrs
1/3NL: +139; 3 hrs
2/2PLO: -1561; 25 hrs
5/5PLO: -290; 3 hrs
MTTs:-225; 3 hrs

Total: +84,779; 808 hrs; 104.91/hr; 14.96bb/hr

very happy with the year - finished strong after a little downswing. 1/2, PLO, and MTTs obv unbeatable though

2018 may be the year i move to full-time...but we shall see...
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Old 01-02-2018, 11:22 AM   #20343
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I'll coach you in plo if you coach me in T/T

Cliffs of our sessions:

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Old 01-02-2018, 01:45 PM   #20344
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2nd worst year for me results wise out of my 8 recreational years at 1/3 NL.



Flatlined for my first third of 2017.

Sunrunned (after tweaking my overall strategy to even more nittier and starting with a short BI) for my second third of 2017.

Then last third of 2017 I tied my biggest ever downswing (to the dollar) and spent the rest of 2017 trying to dig out of it.

$8.78/hr (2.93 bb/hr) over 578 hours, puke. $1.02/hr better than my worst year in 2015, but $11.04 worse than my third worst year in 2016, and a whopping $26.70/hr worse than my best year in 2013. Gross.

Overall, it's pretty clear where my game conditions are headed, and my overall winrate of $20.85 over 3745 hours doesn't remotely reflect what I think is capable in my game now (at least by me). There's a rumour that the maximum rake will be increased yet again for the third year running (up to $8 max + $1 BBJ drop, so crippling if that happens, imo). Even last year I speculated that a $15/hr winrate in my room would be a very good winrate (even though that would have been my second worse result by about $5/hr). I don't keep track of my all-in EV a la M and Mike Starr, but my guess is I probably would have come close to that estimate had I simply not run terrible in every big pot I played this year (my fave being 1 outed twice within an hour last week, lol, didn't think that was even mathematically possible).

Got in my most number of sessions this year, and came up 4 hours short of most hours, but I expect I'll be reduced in both in 2018 (expecting about 500 - 550 hours).

Overall, still having fun, and still winning (although barely). If the rake is increased, my guess is that $12/hr (4 bb/hr) would be a good reasonable / (hopefully) attainable target for me in 2018 (not that I have targets).

Ggoodluckin2018!G

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Old 01-02-2018, 02:18 PM   #20345
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RE: Standard deviation

My Poker Journal has my Standard Deviation at $469.24 / session, having played 478 1/3 NL sessions over 3744:50 hours.

I have no idea what that means nor whether it is computed correctly within Poker Journal. Also, the first x session entries were copied directly from Excel as simply what I won or lost, whereas since then I've inputted exactly what I've bought in over a session (i.e. I have no clue if buying in for $200 and cashing out $100 is equivalent to buying in for $200 + $200 + $100 and cashing out $400, although I think bip once said it didn't matter).

Gwhatever,imoG
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Old 01-02-2018, 02:59 PM   #20346
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happy new year everyone & gl with your 2018 goals!

2017 Results:

Graph: https://imgur.com/a/7TpGH

Main Games:
2/5NL: +42,037; 513 hrs; 81.92/hr; 16.38bb/hr
T/TNL: +44,787; 235 hrs; 190.92/hr; 19.09bb/hr

Other:
1/2NL: -108; 27 hrs
1/3NL: +139; 3 hrs
2/2PLO: -1561; 25 hrs
5/5PLO: -290; 3 hrs
MTTs:-225; 3 hrs

Total: +84,779; 808 hrs; 104.91/hr; 14.96bb/hr

very happy with the year - finished strong after a little downswing. 1/2, PLO, and MTTs obv unbeatable though

2018 may be the year i move to full-time...but we shall see...
those results are just lol. mtt fish confirmed though..
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Old 01-02-2018, 03:47 PM   #20347
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Year End Results:

Purely part time Friday/Saturday's 1-2 times per week over the last 4 months. (I had a 3-4 year break due to new children).

Game: $1/3 NL - $300 Max Buy In

Hours Played: 132
Won/Loss: $9634
BB/HR: 24.3
$/HR: $72.98

Finished hard on a $700 loss on New Years Eve, losing a $400 all in pf with AKss to KJhh when the flop comes jjx. Nonetheless, a great year and I hope to significantly increase my hours this next year.
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Old 01-02-2018, 05:19 PM   #20348
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i've basically taken a big step away from poker toward the end of the month. mostly because ive been busy with graduate school along with work and family stuff. it was a bit hard to be away at first but it got easier and when i started playing a bit again, i realized i dont enjoy the game as much anymore.

results for 2017:
$2/5
620 hours
10.68 bb/hr
+$33.1k

80 sessions won (~70%)
34 sessions lost (~30%)

average session is 5.5 hours

$5/10 did not go as well. i won ~2bb/hr over like 80 hours. i had some huge lost pots, which obv will skew a small sample size.

planning on just not playing much poker but we'll see how long that lasts. gl and happy new year all
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Old 01-02-2018, 05:31 PM   #20349
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still awesome results jc - solid year. gl with both life + any poker endeavors in 2018.
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Old 01-02-2018, 05:55 PM   #20350
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happy new year everyone & gl with your 2018 goals!

2017 Results:

Graph: https://imgur.com/a/7TpGH

Main Games:
2/5NL: +42,037; 513 hrs; 81.92/hr; 16.38bb/hr
T/TNL: +44,787; 235 hrs; 190.92/hr; 19.09bb/hr

Other:
1/2NL: -108; 27 hrs
1/3NL: +139; 3 hrs
2/2PLO: -1561; 25 hrs
5/5PLO: -290; 3 hrs
MTTs:-225; 3 hrs

Total: +84,779; 808 hrs; 104.91/hr; 14.96bb/hr

very happy with the year - finished strong after a little downswing. 1/2, PLO, and MTTs obv unbeatable though

2018 may be the year i move to full-time...but we shall see...
That's incredible.
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