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Old 12-16-2017, 04:14 PM   #20226
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imo, squid might be the best I've ever seen at watching everything important at a table without it being obvious that he is watching everything. I'm guessing this is a good skill to have.
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Old 12-16-2017, 06:41 PM   #20227
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Pulled my day by day stats and the results were interesting. Still small sample sizes but I seem to run hot on Friday's.

Monday 277.50 $18.08/hr
Tuesday 146.42 $35.95/hr
Wednesday 318.80 $18.93/hr
Thursday 222.40 $6.49/hr
Friday 216.75 $89.70/hr
Saturday 150.42 $43.20/hr
Sunday 208.22 -$27.28/hr
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Old 12-19-2017, 06:21 AM   #20228
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I think these winrate-by-day samples show just how meaningless these small samples are. I attached my report for the last six months (since I've been playing full time), and my highest winrate has been on Monday when games are usually terrible. Tuesday is my second worst day besides Sunday despite the games in my room being particularly good on Tuesdays, and Friday and Saturday being in the middle of the pack despite obviously having the best games. For reference, my primary game is 1/3 500 max, and I'm in the process of taking shots at 2/5 1000 max.

Overall, I'm quite happy at how the year has played out overall. I ran like a god in August, losing only a single session all month. My foray into 2/5 hasn't gone quite like I hoped, but I think the numbers are a bit misleading. I put in about 25 hours last weekend in a couple sessions and lost 5.5k. They were juicy games and I'm pretty happy with how I played overall, things just didn't go my way; I feel I just ran poorly, not that I was overmatched. Besides that weekend, my shots at 2/5 have gone well. I'm confident I am/can be better than the population in that game, and it's refreshing to play "real" poker again, but I've been playing braindead poker for so long there's certainly a little bit of rust to dust off.

Anyhow, I'm more of a lurker and not much of a poster, but I wanted to share my results with you lot. May next year be even better!

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Old 12-19-2017, 07:05 AM   #20229
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I think these winrate-by-day samples show just how meaningless these small samples are. I attached my report for the last six months (since I've been playing full time), and my highest winrate has been on Monday when games are usually terrible. Tuesday is my second worst day besides Sunday despite the games in my room being particularly good on Tuesdays, and Friday and Saturday being in the middle of the pack despite obviously having the best games. For reference, my primary game is 1/3 500 max, and I'm in the process of taking shots at 2/5 1000 max.

Overall, I'm quite happy at how the year has played out overall. I ran like a god in August, losing only a single session all month. My foray into 2/5 hasn't gone quite like I hoped, but I think the numbers are a bit misleading. I put in about 25 hours last weekend in a couple sessions and lost 5.5k. They were juicy games and I'm pretty happy with how I played overall, things just didn't go my way; I feel I just ran poorly, not that I was overmatched. Besides that weekend, my shots at 2/5 have gone well. I'm confident I am/can be better than the population in that game, and it's refreshing to play "real" poker again, but I've been playing braindead poker for so long there's certainly a little bit of rust to dust off.

Anyhow, I'm more of a lurker and not much of a poster, but I wanted to share my results with you lot. May next year be even better!

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Old 12-19-2017, 10:10 AM   #20230
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That's a solid 6 months! Why did you put in so little volume (comparatively) in August when you ran hot? Run good makes me want to play more.
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Old 12-19-2017, 11:42 AM   #20231
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270 hours in July? That would make me want to gouge my own eyes out
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Old 12-19-2017, 11:59 AM   #20232
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nice volume/results - starting out strong your first 6 months full-time is a good feeling i'm sure.

how many hours did you have before you went full-time? thoughts on first 6 months playing professionally?
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Old 12-19-2017, 05:05 PM   #20233
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That's a solid 6 months! Why did you put in so little volume (comparatively) in August when you ran hot? Run good makes me want to play more.
I put in 270 hours in July, so I needed a little break after that. I actually did play more than that report shows, because that's cash only and I played probably 25 hours of tournaments over the month.
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nice volume/results - starting out strong your first 6 months full-time is a good feeling i'm sure.

how many hours did you have before you went full-time? thoughts on first 6 months playing professionally?
I've been playing a long time: Moneymaker era or perhaps slightly before. I was an online guy who transitioned to live when things started to get complicated. However, I never really had the bankroll for the live game, so I was in and out of action periodically over the years while working a deadend job. As for an actual number of hours or stats, I don't really know that information.

It's definitely a great feeling to get this kind of start. I'm smart enough to know there's no guarantee I will make it, but if I fail, I look at this almost like a freeroll. All I have to lose is money, and it's all money that came from the game. Worst case scenario is I go busto, I'll be in a slightly better spot than I started, and this will turn out to just have just been a long vacation. We are trying to avoid that, of course. I am always trying to inprove my game and avoiding that "I'm a winning player, so let me just go on autopilot and let the money roll in" mentality.

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270 hours in July? That would make me want to gouge my own eyes out
Yea, it wasn't the most fun, but the casino had an unbeatable promotion that month so I put in the work. Guaranteed money is hard to pass up.

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Old 12-19-2017, 05:12 PM   #20234
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awesome - sounds like you have a good mindset; best of luck.

is the reason you are still just shot taking 2/5 because of bankroll considerations or just lack of experience/confidence at those stakes?
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Old 12-19-2017, 06:03 PM   #20235
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The reason I am still shot taking 2/5 is because of bankroll considerations and my current results. Hard for me to say "I'm a 2/5 player now" while being a loser in the game thus far, right? That being said, I do believe those losses are due mostly to short term variance. I believe my game in it's current form is good enough to beat that game for a solid clip, and I think I have plenty of room for improvement after fully adjusting to the game. I'm just limiting my shots because I want to keep my risk of ruin to a minimum. The last thing I want to do is go busto and no longer be able to play the 1/3 that I'm crushing because I took too aggressive shots at 2/5. I'm certainly looking to transition sooner rather than later, though.

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Old 12-19-2017, 07:19 PM   #20236
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Nice graph I’m in the same boat as you. When I finally got a great paying job I finally realized that working wasn’t for me. I have about 250 hours so far. I’ll be posting my graph at 500. I jumped right into 2/5 with a 30k roll.

Looks like you have a 6k downswing at the end there. Pretty rough. I had a similar swing lately. I had one really sick hand I had 66 on Q6Q7 rainbow. We got allin on the turn for a 3200 pot and he binked his 7 outer on the river. I don’t even know how I managed to convince him to put 300bb in the middle on the turn.
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Old 12-19-2017, 08:37 PM   #20237
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I put in 270 hours in July, so I needed a little break after that. I actually did play more than that report shows, because that's cash only and I played probably 25 hours of tournaments over the month.I've been playing a long time: Moneymaker era or perhaps slightly before. I was an online guy who transitioned to live when things started to get complicated. However, I never really had the bankroll for the live game, so I was in and out of action periodically over the years while working a deadend job. As for an actual number of hours or stats, I don't really know that information.

It's definitely a great feeling to get this kind of start. I'm smart enough to know there's no guarantee I will make it, but if I fail, I look at this almost like a freeroll. All I have to lose is money, and it's all money that came from the game. Worst case scenario is I go busto, I'll be in a slightly better spot than I started, and this will turn out to just have just been a long vacation. We are trying to avoid that, of course. I am always trying to inprove my game and avoiding that "I'm a winning player, so let me just go on autopilot and let the money roll in" mentality.

Yea, it wasn't the most fun, but the casino had an unbeatable promotion that month so I put in the work. Guaranteed money is hard to pass up.

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Wow. This is/was me to a T. I used to play on Party on the side to make money for eating out and stuff so I could live better until I finally got a good job. The good job never came. I've been gambling full time for about 5 years now.

Congrats on the great start. Your willingness to grind the crap out of a good promo is as good a sign as the win rate.

My number 1 piece of advice is to diversify. There are lots of ways to do this, the best of which might be to find an SO with a decent real job. There are other ways to make money gambling, though most are not as widely discussed as poker. A fairly easy one is to open some sports accounts and get the bonuses as you arbitrage. Unless you think that's a potential leak for you.

Some sort of freelance type side job is also desirable. Even if you barely touch it some months, a little stream of no variance income is very stabilizing. Even if the job kind of sucks, doing real work a few times a month will keep you from getting complacent.

It's not just stability though. With rare exceptions, poker will eventually become boring for most intelligent people. When you are bored and have forgotten how much the dead end job sucked, it becomes very, very tedious to think about stuff like, "does this random guy care about position in Texas hold em?" And as soon as you figure it out, he leaves and some other random guy, who doesn't care that much sits down,and now you start thinking about his poker game more than he ever has. And the reason he hasn't is because it's not very interesting.

While there have been times I've been obsessed with it, at the end of the day, poker is just people throwing betting discs around based on their guesses about playing cards.

I think this is the main reason the grinder turnover is so high. I started off poker only and did it for a couple years, and I was definitely a worse, more OMC type player near the end of that.

Now, I might go a month without playing, and when I'm do I'm engaged and playing more like I did at the start. In fact, a promo came up lately and played around around 270-300 hours in a month myself and I kind of enjoyed it. You don't have to go to those extremes, but I think playing 40 hours of poker a week for the next 30 years or whatever is a tough plan to follow.

You're doing really well at poker, so make that your platform for never having to dead end it full time again.
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Old 12-19-2017, 08:58 PM   #20238
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Haven't got to play much this year. Bought a house not long ago, work's been busy, got engaged and married recently. Only about 90 hours logged in 2017. It takes such a long time to log 1000 hours as a recreational player.

Whenever the day comes that I log 1000 hours, I will post my graph. And by that, I will have to search the forum and learn how to do so. It may not be much to some of you guys, but it's been fun for me to track all these stats.

Since August 2014, I've logged 767 hours, all at 1/2. All but 100 of those hours have come at a game with a $300 BI. The other 100 hours have come at a game with a $200 BI. My current winrate is at $15.44/hr. It's been settling between $15-16 for a little while now.
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Old 12-20-2017, 05:04 AM   #20239
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Haven't got to play much this year. Bought a house not long ago, work's been busy, got engaged and married recently. Only about 90 hours logged in 2017. It takes such a long time to log 1000 hours as a recreational player.

Whenever the day comes that I log 1000 hours, I will post my graph. And by that, I will have to search the forum and learn how to do so. It may not be much to some of you guys, but it's been fun for me to track all these stats.

Since August 2014, I've logged 767 hours, all at 1/2. All but 100 of those hours have come at a game with a $300 BI. The other 100 hours have come at a game with a $200 BI. My current winrate is at $15.44/hr. It's been settling between $15-16 for a little while now.
Nice results! The great thing about poker is that it is always there for you.
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Old 12-20-2017, 05:31 AM   #20240
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Just reviewing my 2017 results now and I was able to put in a decent amount of hours considering I work full time and only play as a bit of a hobby.

So far I've been able to log 492.5 hours (hoping to exceed 500 by year end) and earned a profit of $13,536 or $27.48/hr. I primarily have been playing 1/3nl and jumping into the 2/5nl when it looks good. Largest session this year was +$1470 and largest loss was -$1200.

I ended up winning 63 sessions and losing 31 of them for a 67.02% win percentage. But the part that I'm most happy with is I have been able to SIGNIFICANTLY reduce my poker expenses from previous years. Spent less then $1,000 on flights/hotels by taking advantage of comp nights at less desirable hotels, etc. In previous years I had spent upwards of 3k to 4k just on expenses which dramatically takes a toll on your year-end profit when you're only playing recreationally.

Overall I'm pretty happy but I know there were so many nights where I was chasing losses or playing tired/sub-par that I wish I could take back.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a good poker tracking app on Android? I've been tracking my results through Excel for years and it's become cumbersome. Or if anyone else uses Excel to track their results with a really good set up and wouldn't mind sharing, please PM me.

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Old 12-20-2017, 06:24 AM   #20241
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Just reviewing my 2017 results now and I was able to put in a decent amount of hours considering I work full time and only play as a bit of a hobby.

So far I've been able to log 492.5 hours (hoping to exceed 500 by year end) and earned a profit of $13,536 or $27.48/hr. I primarily have been playing 1/3nl and jumping into the 2/5nl when it looks good. Largest session this year was +$1470 and largest loss was -$1200.

I ended up winning 63 sessions and losing 31 of them for a 67.02% win percentage. But the part that I'm most happy with is I have been able to SIGNIFICANTLY reduce my poker expenses from previous years. Spent less then $1,000 on flights/hotels by taking advantage of comp nights at less desirable hotels, etc. In previous years I had spent upwards of 3k to 4k just on expenses which dramatically takes a toll on your year-end profit when you're only playing recreationally.

Overall I'm pretty happy but I know there were so many nights where I was chasing losses or playing tired/sub-par that I wish I could take back.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a good poker tracking app on Android? I've been tracking my results through Excel for years and it's become cumbersome. Or if anyone else uses Excel to track their results with a really good set up and wouldn't mind sharing, please PM me.

Cheers and Happy Holidays!
Poker agent is the nuts.
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Old 12-20-2017, 06:56 AM   #20242
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I can't find that in the app store? Does it go by a different name?
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Old 12-20-2017, 09:06 AM   #20243
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Nope, it's called Poker Agent. I'm using it as we speak!
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Yikes.

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Yikes.

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Old 12-20-2017, 02:01 PM   #20246
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Old 12-21-2017, 12:51 AM   #20247
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Askesis, sick results!

Also, I'm getting very excited for end of year results time. It's my favorite time of year!
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Old 12-21-2017, 11:28 AM   #20248
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With holiday travel, not likely to play much if at all between now and 2018, so this is what my 2017 looks like. Fair bit of volume for weekend grinder with full time career. Also did alright in promo cash which isn't reflected in these stats.

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That would be nice. I couldn't pull that off. For one thing, I don't put out enough.

However, I did have nice set up for quite a while. I got health insurance and knew that at least money would be there for bills even if I went bust.

She got to eat in fancy restaurants, stay in nice hotels and travel with me. Plus I had a flexible schedule and wasn't completely worn out and miserable at the end of the day.
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Nice results Zippy.

And you weren't lying about the "weekend" part of weekend warrior! Sick volume for a rec, imo.

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