Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Live No-Limit Hold’em Cash Discussion of no-limit hold’em live cash games of all stakes.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-06-2017, 07:18 PM   #20176
Xiph0id
enthusiast
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Leduc, AB
Posts: 60
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek View Post
Is this true? I think it would be very interesting to get a consensus of where most of us played.

I live in a fairly big city with suburbs that at one time had 7 rooms, most with 8+ tables. Now down to 5 rooms, most with < 8 tables, a lot of rooms only featuring one or two games (in our room basically only 1/3 NL 99% of the time).

Is that really not the norm? Everyone is playing in a huge room with lots of different games and stakes? Honestly, I find that hard to believe; my guess is that most areas are like mine, and that the huge destination casino in the destination city is the exception.

Also, I'm not saying the recreational reg filled game can't be a good game. All I'm saying is that there isn't much difference between them; time of day / day doesn't make that much difference if that's the only type of game going.

Gwe'llhavetoagreetodisagreeonthis,imoG
Where I play there are 3 casino's with 12 tables and 1 casino with 9.
We used to have 3 other casinos with poker rooms but they were small rooms.

Between them there is 3/6 LHE, 4/8 LDC, 1-2 PLO, 2-5 PLO, 1-2 NLHE, 1-3 NLHE and 2-5 NLHE

Right now the one I play the second most has 1 table of 1-2 open. Last night there was 4. On friday night there will be 6-8 tables open.

Edmonton is a blue collared city and most are paid well and sure as **** they will spend it!
Xiph0id is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2017, 07:21 PM   #20177
Xiph0id
enthusiast
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Leduc, AB
Posts: 60
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

Quote:
Originally Posted by sw_emigre View Post
Pretty sure I live in GG's city. One of the largest in the frozen North. 5 rooms in metro area. 3 rooms combined have about 12 total NLHE tables (and 3 wild PLO tables). The two larger rooms have around 6-8 tables on a weeknight, up to a max of 10 tables on weekends only. Often just a single 2/5 game in the last 2 rooms only, all the rest 1/3; a second 2/5 table usually opens on a weekend (last Friday the 2nd 2/5 game died out around 1 am).

Of the two larger rooms, one is in a different building than the actual casino, hence no crossover traffic. The other room, you can't bring liquor into the poker room (long boring story). There's also no TVs or music in the 2nd room. Waitlists on weekends are always 2+ hours; it is literally impossible for a random to walk in and play.

2 pm on a weekday, there may be 10 tables going in the entire metro area. On any given weeknight at least 7 of the 10 seats (yes, our tables are 10-handed) at 2/5 are populated by the same players. That's actually not too far off the ratio in the 1/3 as well. Waitlists on the average night are easily over an hour, so again, only someone who knew to call in, came in an hour later, and had the patience to wait on top of all that will get into the game. IOW, the opposite of "action". By the time all those hurdles are crossed, 90% of the players who are left have some passable level of poker knowledge. Anyone else walked out of the poker room and can be found playing roulette.

(To make matters more grim, tips are pooled in all the casinos, so gl getting more than 25 hands/hour. And fwiw, rake is 7+1.)

If this sounds lke a very different experience than what you are used to, it probably is! I see photos of Playground or Commerce/Bike and it is miles away from my experience. I'm totally jealous that a 'decent-sized but not a poker Mecca city' like philly has a hundred tables. I'll watch a poker vlog from a guy in (to me) a random US city like St. Louis and wonder how in the world I can get noobs like the ones he has in basically every vlog to come to my game.

Until this thread from today, I had no idea Philly had so many games. Ditto AC. Perhaps like GG, I assumed that outside of LA and a bit of LV, most cities had just a few, small poker rooms. All I can do is imagine what your scene is like, because it is so different that we are talking about qualitative, not just quantitative, changes in game conditions. I'd feel like a kid in a candy store if I was suddenly dropped into a casino with a 30+ table poker room. (And you may feel like a kid forced to swallow medicine if you ever come visit up here.)
This sounds horrendous.

One of our casino's poker rooms is right on the floor!
Drink and gamble at will!

I'll assume you guys are in Ontario?
Xiph0id is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2017, 07:34 PM   #20178
sai1b0ats
veteran
 
sai1b0ats's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 2,463
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

60% Bravo measure at 2pm EST Wed, 72% at 5:30pm EST Wed

but let's not forget that this "debate" was started by GG disagreeing on some level with the obvious statement:

"@gg a 5 table room is crazy small and definitely not the norm for where most of us play"

lol @ disagreeing with that statement. I followed up with the bold claim:

"I would guess that over 90% of poker in the US happens in rooms that are busier than yours."

Computing this number would take some work. To be fair, we'd have to count the table hours per room per year and put the total table hours by casino equal to or less than the GG casino table hours into one bin and the casino table hours of all the casinos with more activity into a second bin and add em up. My guess would be 95%. I could be wrong, maybe I'd be surprised to learn it is 85%. idk

But no, let's pretend the GG casino experience is typical.

Or maybe a couple of Thunder Bay regs are Winrate readers and I'm out to lunch.
sai1b0ats is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2017, 07:55 PM   #20179
Garick
Oberbiergenießer
 
Garick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Do you even math, bruh?
Posts: 24,603
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek View Post
Is this true? I think it would be very interesting to get a consensus of where most of us played.

I live in a fairly big city with suburbs that at one time had 7 rooms, most with 8+ tables. Now down to 5 rooms, most with < 8 tables, a lot of rooms only featuring one or two games (in our room basically only 1/3 NL 99% of the time).

Is that really not the norm? Everyone is playing in a huge room with lots of different games and stakes? Honestly, I find that hard to believe; my guess is that most areas are like mine, and that the huge destination casino in the destination city is the exception.

Also, I'm not saying the recreational reg filled game can't be a good game. All I'm saying is that there isn't much difference between them; time of day / day doesn't make that much difference if that's the only type of game going.

Gwe'llhavetoagreetodisagreeonthis,imoG
Not going to rehash a ton of the argument, GG, but you're arguing two different things. I suspect that even in your room, there is more difference than you think. The weekday games are probably tighter than you imagine, but you don't know because you are at work. All regs are not created equal. As others have mentioned, even if they are equally skilled in theory, non-worktime players are generally much more willing to accept variance, as they can afford it. Late-night (after OMCs like you and me go to bed) tends to be even better. This does not require noobs wandering in. Even the regs are more gambly at 2am.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek View Post
It would take far much more research than I'm willing to put into it, but what is the ratio between small poker rooms and big card rooms? I mean, how many 35+ table rooms are there in the US, especially outside the hotspots mentioned here? Now balance that out with hick 5 table rooms in every hick town. If the hick rooms outnumber the big rooms by a large margin (which would be my guess), then it could quickly be the case that more people play at smaller rooms.

FWIW, *every* single person in my province plays in a small card room because there is not a single big one. My guess is that statement applies to every province (with perhaps some exceptions, I'll admit ignorance to that).

Gbutit'sallabout'Merica,cuzthat'sallthatmatters,am irite?G
Come on, GG. first, as many have mentioned, it takes a lot of 5-table rooms to equal one 45 table room. Second, poker is not common here. The bolded just does not exist in most of America. In most places (other than Washington and California) poker has to be in a casino, and many casinos don't have it, either due to laws limiting what can be offered (Alabama, for example), or just not wanting to bother. As of 2014, there were 510 casinos in all of the US. Most of them are clustered together in enclaves where gambling is legal (Vegas, AC, Tunica, Blackhawk CO, etc.), or are out on an Indian Reservation that is a long drive to get to. In the meantime, as of 2012 (may have closed since then, but it was the easiest to count list that had rooms not on Bravo) the entire US had 453 poker rooms. About 1/4 of them are in Casinos in California or Nevada, and almost 1/4 are stand-alone rooms in California and where laws are looser. So take out those two states, and there are about 230 poker rooms for the rest of the US.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nicname View Post
My room is 8 tables. Usually 1 goes in a.m. weekdays. 2-3 tables Mon - Wed evenings, 5 tables in Thursday evenings, 6-7 tables on Fri & Sat nights. I don't really play Sunday.

It's the only card room within > of 120 miles each way. Imo there is a huge difference between the weekend and weekday/evening crowd.
And this. That was also my room until recently, and when I was in Colorado Springs I had to drive up in tot he mountains to play in a similarly 8-table card room. Even in those rooms, where noobs were rare, the game is very different between workday and not.

The difference is actually less in vacation spots, imo. I tend to play during the day in Vegas, for example, which I never can when I'm working, ldo.
Garick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2017, 09:57 PM   #20180
OvertlySexual
old hand
 
OvertlySexual's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,515
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek View Post
Yeah, cuz Bravo lists every hick room.

GaccordingtoBravo,1pokerroomwithin100milesofmeG
70% of US population lives in 15 states. Like worldwide, the majority of the population lives in metropolitan cities. Since when are hick cities the golden standard for average, median or whatthe****?
OvertlySexual is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2017, 01:57 AM   #20181
QuantumSurfer
old hand
 
QuantumSurfer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Home on the Range
Posts: 1,943
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

Quote:
Originally Posted by OvertlySexual View Post
70% of US population lives in 15 states. Like worldwide, the majority of the population lives in metropolitan cities. Since when are hick cities the golden standard for average, median or whatthe****?
Since Bravo Poker began gerrymandering.
QuantumSurfer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2017, 04:13 AM   #20182
meale
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
meale's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Pattaya, Thailand
Posts: 9,840
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

1 casino in Brisbane, 4 tables total and the refuse to open more than 2/3 half the time regardless of length of list. :')
meale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2017, 05:28 AM   #20183
Viral25
old hand
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Random opinion generator
Posts: 1,857
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

^I feel you, meale. I live in a European metropolitan city. 1 casino, 8 tables max on the weekend, even fewer on weekdays .
Viral25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2017, 09:33 AM   #20184
DeathCabForTootie
Pooh-Bah
 
DeathCabForTootie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: SHR Tunaments
Posts: 5,722
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

Quote:
Originally Posted by QuantumSurfer View Post
Since Bravo Poker began gerrymandering.
this is good poasting
DeathCabForTootie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2017, 01:19 PM   #20185
soxfan43
journeyman
 
soxfan43's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Chicago
Posts: 219
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

I want to see some year-end graphs! The more turbulent, the better!
soxfan43 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2017, 05:54 PM   #20186
meale
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
meale's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Pattaya, Thailand
Posts: 9,840
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan43 View Post
I want to see some year-end graphs! The more turbulent, the better!
2 weeks left! And I guess people might be busy around new years. You'll get em in Jan tho for sure
meale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2017, 06:04 PM   #20187
gobbledygeek
Poet Laureate of LLSNL
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 33,367
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

Pretty sure my giraffe (if all goes well in December) will consist of 4 lines: one horizontal, one straight up, one straight down, and hopefully ending on a straight up one.

GbutoutsidechancemystraightdownoneisextendedG
gobbledygeek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2017, 06:16 PM   #20188
meale
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
meale's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Pattaya, Thailand
Posts: 9,840
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek View Post
Pretty sure my giraffe (if all goes well in December) will consist of 4 lines: one horizontal, one straight up, one straight down, and hopefully ending on a straight up one.

GbutoutsidechancemystraightdownoneisextendedG
TF kinda giraffes you breeding over there gg
meale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2017, 06:24 PM   #20189
gobbledygeek
Poet Laureate of LLSNL
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 33,367
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

Ugly ones. Probably have to hide it in a NSFW spoiler.

GwillprobablyalsobehandingoutpukebagsG
gobbledygeek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2017, 06:26 PM   #20190
meale
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
meale's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Pattaya, Thailand
Posts: 9,840
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

How exciting. :')
meale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2017, 08:07 PM   #20191
RottPhiler
journeyman
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 238
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances



20/28 winning sessions. 146 hours at 11.71 BB/hr average.

I started playing live 1/2 NLHE in October 21st. I'm probably a "fish on a heater", but I hope to sustain this. NLHE is such a joy!

Loser at 3/6, 4/8 LHE. Winner (marginal) at 8/16 LHE. Loser (I've only played this extremely rarely) at 15/30 LHE. Winner at 4/8, 6/12, 8/16 LO8.

Last edited by RottPhiler; 12-14-2017 at 08:12 PM.
RottPhiler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2017, 11:41 AM   #20192
squid face
ChatThreadPrez
 
squid face's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: grabbin c-notes from the money tree
Posts: 10,252
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

I haz the olds and do not know how to poast up screen shots on the interwebz. DCFT has kindly offered to post up some screenshots for me. They will be pix of my last 3k hours. As I have stated b4 I have well over 10k since BF however most of my records are in storage and when I eventually retrieve em I'll input them and poast that up (they are on the other side of the country). That being said the graph will look pretty much like this one.

I am no longer putting in big volume. After BF I told my wife I had about 2 years of live poker left in me. Here we are close to 7 years after the fact and I am still slogging away. Most likely I will continue to play but I honestly have zero intention of ever playing more than 1k/ year ever again.

That being said as you can see by my hrs per days of the week screen shot I do not really cherry pick my days - it is quite balanced. I seldom play beyond 10 pm and am frequently in the casino by 2 in the afternoon - not exactly prime time stuff.

Will do my best to answer questions once DCFT posts up shots
squid face is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2017, 12:21 PM   #20193
DeathCabForTootie
Pooh-Bah
 
DeathCabForTootie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: SHR Tunaments
Posts: 5,722
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

Squid's results, confirmed jelly.
DeathCabForTootie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2017, 12:32 PM   #20194
homerdash
banned
 
homerdash's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: desert
Posts: 6,062
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

wow squid Winrates, bankrolls, and finances
homerdash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2017, 12:40 PM   #20195
bwslim69
I'm a Diva, Bruh
 
bwslim69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: TPS reports
Posts: 24,038
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie View Post
Squid's results, confirmed jelly.


But how much did he lose?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
bwslim69 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2017, 12:43 PM   #20196
gobbledygeek
Poet Laureate of LLSNL
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 33,367
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

Nice giraffe squiddy!

And even though smallish sample sizes per day, it is interesting that your Friday/Saturday aren't as crushing as other days (ranking 4th/5th out of seven days), plus sounds like you also have a lotta hours in "daytime", which kinda leans more toward my recent argument in this thread (which I was vastly outvoted on) suggesting that day and time is a little overrated.

Gcongrats,imoG
gobbledygeek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2017, 01:02 PM   #20197
squid face
ChatThreadPrez
 
squid face's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: grabbin c-notes from the money tree
Posts: 10,252
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

well I have played a fair amt of grave in my time. I can say with absolute certainty that it is significantly more profitable. Something happens in the wee hours and normally "sane" people simply go bananas. SPC is the master of the marathon sessions. Her w/r in the overnight games is truly obscene as well as the HH's she gives me. But other than grave I think day and time are a bit overrated

also thanks for the kind words
squid face is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2017, 01:04 PM   #20198
MikeStarr
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 7,978
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek View Post
Nice giraffe squiddy!

And even though smallish sample sizes per day, it is interesting that your Friday/Saturday aren't as crushing as other days (ranking 4th/5th out of seven days), plus sounds like you also have a lotta hours in "daytime", which kinda leans more toward my recent argument in this thread (which I was vastly outvoted on) suggesting that day and time is a little overrated.

Gcongrats,imoG
How so? His stratospheric win rate would most likely be even higher if he played mostly evening hours. A great daytime win rate doesnt prove he wouldnt do better in the evening.
MikeStarr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2017, 01:20 PM   #20199
gobbledygeek
Poet Laureate of LLSNL
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 33,367
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

I'm not going to rehash this all again. All's I'm saying is that, for example, Squiddy's Monday (sample size conceded) crushes almost every other day by a decent margin and I'm guessing most of us wouldn't have pegged Monday as the best day to sit at the poker tables.

GnotdoingthisagainG
gobbledygeek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2017, 01:28 PM   #20200
johnnyBuz
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
johnnyBuz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Beast Coast
Posts: 7,092
re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

My most profitable days of 2017:

1. Sunday
2. Wednesday
3. Monday

My least profitable days of 2017:

1. Saturday
2. Friday

Conclusion: everybody has meaningless sample sizes and how you run in big pots has an enormous effect on small sample size win rates
johnnyBuz is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:50 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008-2020, Two Plus Two Interactive