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Old 12-05-2017, 05:46 PM   #20126
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Heh $1+5 to see a flop is purty bad. Still our max rake (also $7) is almost always hit in any decent game even by the flop. This is because 6x opens are going 3-5 ways every hand.

At least the rake is capped is what I'm getting at. Could be worse.
If everyone is sitting on $1K+ stacks and they can go in in lol fashion, then a maximum rake of $7 probably ain't no big deal.

If a lotta people are sitting on $200 - $300 stacks and even the bigger end of those might not go in so lol, a $7 maximum rake is pretty horrendous, imo.

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Old 12-05-2017, 09:06 PM   #20127
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Hey guys. Been away from poker for several years. What would be good/very good/crushing winrates for 25, 50, 100nl 6max nowadays at say pokerstars?
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:09 PM   #20128
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Hey guys. My first post other than venues.

To put my numbers in perspective I only play weekends and holidays.
I search out the most profitable tables and change up my style of play based on table dynamics. The games I've mostly played is 1-2 with 500 max buy in mixed with some 1-3 and some 1-2 with a 5$ call option (no 2$ limp)

The casino's I frequent used to be 5% to 5% with a 1$ BB JP but has recently went up to 10% to 7$ although 1 casino has stay at 5$ but is the new 10%

Also weekend stacks range from 100-1000$ depending on the table.
Table average is usually around 300-400$

I 2017 I have 462 hrs played at 66.55 $/Hr

I still have some leaks in my game and still like to gaboo in spots!

I really hope my stats are sustainable but I suspect I could on a year long heater. I never kept track before this year and know for a fact I was a loser at poker the first few years I played. I suspected I was close to break even for a few more years.

I spend the week working full time and studying. I don't have many people to talk serious poker with as most people in my area don't even know what a SPR or how many BB they call when I raise.

I drink whisky sometimes when I play and I am loud at times and don't feel the need to bluff often although I do pick my spots. Sometimes, I'm quiet when I play and drink coffee, really depends on what the tables "requires".

This past year I've really made a honest effort to become the best player I can.

Thoughts?
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:32 PM   #20129
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Hey guys. My first post other than venues.

To put my numbers in perspective I only play weekends and holidays.
I search out the most profitable tables and change up my style of play based on table dynamics. The games I've mostly played is 1-2 with 500 max buy in mixed with some 1-3 and some 1-2 with a 5$ call option (no 2$ limp)

The casino's I frequent used to be 5% to 5% with a 1$ BB JP but has recently went up to 10% to 7$ although 1 casino has stay at 5$ but is the new 10%

Also weekend stacks range from 100-1000$ depending on the table.
Table average is usually around 300-400$

I 2017 I have 462 hrs played at 66.55 $/Hr

I still have some leaks in my game and still like to gaboo in spots!

I really hope my stats are sustainable but I suspect I could on a year long heater. I never kept track before this year and know for a fact I was a loser at poker the first few years I played. I suspected I was close to break even for a few more years.

I spend the week working full time and studying. I don't have many people to talk serious poker with as most people in my area don't even know what a SPR or how many BB they call when I raise.

I drink whisky sometimes when I play and I am loud at times and don't feel the need to bluff often although I do pick my spots. Sometimes, I'm quiet when I play and drink coffee, really depends on what the tables "requires".

This past year I've really made a honest effort to become the best player I can.

Thoughts?
This may be controversial, but assuming game conditions don't drastically change I think it's quite possible you can maintain a very high winrate with the schedule you play.

Can you win 20bb/hr? Probably not, but it's my belief the best low stakes players can win +15bb/hour during peak hours.

It's purely anecdotal but I win about twice as much during these times as non-peak hours over a decent 2400hr sample at my local room.

If you start putting in more weekday/ weeknight hours expect to see your winrate drop.

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Old 12-05-2017, 11:18 PM   #20130
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Hey guys. Been away from poker for several years. What would be good/very good/crushing winrates for 25, 50, 100nl 6max nowadays at say pokerstars?
This is a live forum, Str8rep. Try the Micro-Small Stakes Online forum.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:26 PM   #20131
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This is a live forum, Str8rep. Try the Micro-Small Stakes Online forum.
Thanks. And sorry, found this thread using search
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:28 PM   #20132
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No worries. Good to see someone actually trying a search instead of just starting a new thread.

Welcome back.
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Old 12-06-2017, 09:55 AM   #20133
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This may be controversial, but assuming game conditions don't drastically change I think it's quite possible you can maintain a very high winrate with the schedule you play.

Can you win 20bb/hr? Probably not, but it's my belief the best low stakes players can win +15bb/hour during peak hours.

It's purely anecdotal but I win about twice as much during these times as non-peak hours over a decent 2400hr sample at my local room.

If you start putting in more weekday/ weeknight hours expect to see your winrate drop.
+1

I know lots of people here (even the good serious rec players) play mostly evenings and weekends because they have real jobs. Comparing their win rates to a full time player who puts in a lot of 9-5 weekday type hours is apples/oranges. The win rates during normal business hours is significantly lower. Weeknights/weekends can be double the win rates of weekday daytime hours.
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:51 PM   #20134
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I know lots of people here (even the good serious rec players) play mostly evenings and weekends because they have real jobs. Comparing their win rates to a full time player who puts in a lot of 9-5 weekday type hours is apples/oranges. The win rates during normal business hours is significantly lower. Weeknights/weekends can be double the win rates of weekday daytime hours.
Of course my selection of times to play is reflected in my hourly rate.
I could if I wanted to play the 7-12am times during the week but the profitability is not worth the time to me.

I was more wanting to know if my hourly rate was comparable to others given the circumstances.

I really have no one I know to compare these numbers with locally.
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:22 PM   #20135
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+1

I know lots of people here (even the good serious rec players) play mostly evenings and weekends because they have real jobs. Comparing their win rates to a full time player who puts in a lot of 9-5 weekday type hours is apples/oranges. The win rates during normal business hours is significantly lower. Weeknights/weekends can be double the win rates of weekday daytime hours.
I'm guessing this is pretty room dependent, but it certainly doesn't apply to my room (all regs, all the the time, virtually no randoms-out-on-a-Saturday-night, etc.).

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Old 12-06-2017, 01:25 PM   #20136
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Of course my selection of times to play is reflected in my hourly rate.
I could if I wanted to play the 7-12am times during the week but the profitability is not worth the time to me.

I was more wanting to know if my hourly rate was comparable to others given the circumstances.

I really have no one I know to compare these numbers with locally.
In that case, I would say that your win rate is pretty much astronomical and unsustainable. This is just my opinion based on my experience and my results, but I think for a top 1-2% player you could hit $45/hr long term if the conditions are really good.....meaning a 1/2 game during peak hours and days and deepish stacks.
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:26 PM   #20137
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I'm guessing this is pretty room dependent, but it certainly doesn't apply to my room (all regs, all the the time, virtually no randoms-out-on-a-Saturday-night, etc.).

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True, but I think your room is the exception, not the rule. Most rooms have a completely different clientele that come in and play after work during the week and weekends than they guys who play during the daytime.
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:35 PM   #20138
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True, but I think your room is the exception, not the rule. Most rooms have a completely different clientele that come in and play after work during the week and weekends than they guys who play during the daytime.
Fair enough, there are some regs who can't play during the typical weekday 10:00am - 4:00pm slot due to working (like me), but the point is they are still every bit as reggy as the guy pulling that shift (and sometimes overlapping into the afternoon/nighttime crew).

I highly doubt there are many poker rooms where 5:00pm rolls around and all of a sudden a bunch of total noob randoms sit down, other than perhaps in vacation hot spots. No difference between a 12:00noon reg and a 7:00pm reg, or a weeknight reg and a weekend reg, imo.

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Old 12-06-2017, 01:42 PM   #20139
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Fair enough, there are some regs who can't play during the typical weekday 10:00am - 4:00pm slot due to working (like me), but the point is they are still every bit as reggy as the guy pulling that shift (and sometimes overlapping into the afternoon/nighttime crew).

I highly doubt there are many poker rooms where 5:00pm rolls around and all of a sudden a bunch of total noob randoms sit down, other than perhaps in vacation hot spots. No difference between a 12:00noon reg and a 7:00pm reg, or a weeknight reg and a weekend reg, imo.

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This seems wrong to me. People playing during the day generally are much less likely to have a full-time job obviously. They're retired, underemployed, students or people playing professionally or semi-professionally. People playing after 5 are much more likely to have a full-time job, so should both have more money to spend and lose relative to the stakes and less time to play and think about poker. Doesn't mean they're complete noobs of course, but should lead to better games.
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:49 PM   #20140
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way more recs (and people in general, aka better opportunities to table select) play on the weekends/weekday evenings. not sure how you can possibly disagree with that gg
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:01 PM   #20141
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way more recs (and people in general, aka better opportunities to table select) play on the weekends/weekday evenings. not sure how you can possibly disagree with that gg
I'm simply saying there is not much difference between the skill level of a this reg versus that reg; they're all regs. And by reg, I mean recreational reg, which make up the vast majority of every line up.

What, are you guys sitting down with people who play poker once or twice a year or just a bunch of randoms out on a Friday / Saturday evening who went to the casino to gamble and drink and randomly sat at the poker table to do so? This is not my experience at all.

ETA: Depends obviously on your room and what kinda crowd it is attracting. If you're in a vacation hotspot then maybe you do get some randoms sitting at the table who are just there for random entertainment. And if you play in a big room, maybe you have better table selection. My room has 5 tables, which on busy evenings are all jammed with regs with a long waiting list (i.e. little chance of drunk random casino goer hopping on to a table). Limited table selection, although obviously tables can be better than others, but it's mostly a revolving table change list where tables can change drastically with a change or two (where the best method is often to target the second best table). I don't have a lot of experience with casinos in other locales, but it really would surprise me if this wasn't the "normal" case in all but big rooms / vacation destination; I could be wrong.

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Old 12-06-2017, 02:06 PM   #20142
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no...i just don't need a game to be filled with people who have never played poker before to consider it a good game lol.

just b/c someone plays a lot doesn't mean they are good. more recs/more games/bigger games are on weekends/weekday nights in almost all casinos.

not sure if this is just a terminology dispute but a game filled with "recreational regs" is an awesome game.
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:17 PM   #20143
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no...i just don't need a game to be filled with people who have never played poker before to consider it a good game lol.

just b/c someone plays a lot doesn't mean they are good. more recs/more games/bigger games are on weekends/weekday nights in almost all casinos.

not sure if this is just a terminology dispute but a game filled with "recreational regs" is an awesome game.
exactly this.

If you pay in a room where games are not significantly better on nights/weekends you are unfortunately in the minority.
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:20 PM   #20144
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@gg a 5 table room is crazy small and definitely not the norm for where most of us play
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:35 PM   #20145
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@gg a 5 table room is crazy small and definitely not the norm for where most of us play
Is this true? I think it would be very interesting to get a consensus of where most of us played.

I live in a fairly big city with suburbs that at one time had 7 rooms, most with 8+ tables. Now down to 5 rooms, most with < 8 tables, a lot of rooms only featuring one or two games (in our room basically only 1/3 NL 99% of the time).

Is that really not the norm? Everyone is playing in a huge room with lots of different games and stakes? Honestly, I find that hard to believe; my guess is that most areas are like mine, and that the huge destination casino in the destination city is the exception.

Also, I'm not saying the recreational reg filled game can't be a good game. All I'm saying is that there isn't much difference between them; time of day / day doesn't make that much difference if that's the only type of game going.

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Old 12-06-2017, 02:42 PM   #20146
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Saturday 2am you may see a decent number of familiar faces, but most of them are different than the familiar faces at Tuesday 2pm. Both batches are mostly non-noobs these days, but the games are very different. In general, the 2am "reg" will have more gambol and a higher loss rate per hour.
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:49 PM   #20147
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I will admit I know nothing about 2:00am games since I'm always gone long before that.

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Old 12-06-2017, 02:50 PM   #20148
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Is this true? I think it would be very interesting to get a consensus of where most of us played.

I live in a fairly big city with suburbs that at one time had 7 rooms, most with 8+ tables. Now down to 5 rooms, most with < 8 tables, a lot of rooms only featuring one or two games (in our room basically only 1/3 NL 99% of the time).

Is that really not the norm? Everyone is playing in a huge room with lots of different games and stakes? Honestly, I find that hard to believe; my guess is that most areas are like mine, and that the huge destination casino in the destination city is the exception.

Also, I'm not saying the recreational reg filled game can't be a good game. All I'm saying is that there isn't much difference between them; time of day / day doesn't make that much difference if that's the only type of game going.

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I think most poker hot-spots (SFL, Vegas, LA) have places that offer more than 8 tables. In fact, less than 35 tables is abnormal for me. Also, the fact that you don't find a difference between mid-day and nighttime games seems bizarre.
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:57 PM   #20149
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So everyone that plays poker lives and plays in SFL / Vegas / LA?

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Old 12-06-2017, 02:59 PM   #20150
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Is this true? I think it would be very interesting to get a consensus of where most of us played.

I live in a fairly big city with suburbs that at one time had 7 rooms, most with 8+ tables. Now down to 5 rooms, most with < 8 tables, a lot of rooms only featuring one or two games (in our room basically only 1/3 NL 99% of the time).

Is that really not the norm? Everyone is playing in a huge room with lots of different games and stakes? Honestly, I find that hard to believe; my guess is that most areas are like mine, and that the huge destination casino in the destination city is the exception.

Also, I'm not saying the recreational reg filled game can't be a good game. All I'm saying is that there isn't much difference between them; time of day / day doesn't make that much difference if that's the only type of game going.

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I would guess that over 90% of poker in the US happens in rooms that are busier than yours.
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