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Old 12-02-2017, 01:05 AM   #20051
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People in your casino arent rude to you. People are just rude in general. Get them in front of a computer keyboard or in the drivers seat of a car and its anything goes.

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fwiw I believe ranma is a girl so it's very possible she is treated more rudely than the average male playing poker.
I'm a trans woman. The casino is the one place I get consistently misgendered. People say nasty things about me when I'm not around, and sometimes to my face. I have people refusing to call me by my name, instead using a similar sounding boys name.

I'm friendly and I'm good action, and it doesn't matter. So yeah, I'm done for a bit.
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Old 12-02-2017, 01:45 AM   #20052
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I'm a trans woman. The casino is the one place I get consistently misgendered. People say nasty things about me when I'm not around, and sometimes to my face. I have people refusing to call me by my name, instead using a similar sounding boys name.

I'm friendly and I'm good action, and it doesn't matter. So yeah, I'm done for a bit.
That's pretty messed up and sad anyone would act like that especially to the point where you don't feel comfortable playing there anymore.

A lot of scumbags in poker unfortunately - especially in the room you play in
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Old 12-02-2017, 04:04 AM   #20053
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winrate at bellagio 2/5 sustainable?

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Old 12-02-2017, 10:35 AM   #20054
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winrate at bellagio 2/5 sustainable?
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I think it might be depending on your skill level. Can you please post your graph?
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Old 12-02-2017, 12:14 PM   #20055
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Ugh yes I think impressive and also pathetic. What is also impressive and pathetic is the total rake paid during that time. I used to ignore all of your warnings about importance of rake, but I feel it now after putting in crazy volume.
Sure, rake takes a big chunk out of your winnings, but it's not worth worrying about. Because your only option is don't play.

Ok, if you live in certain cities, you might have another option with radically different rake. But if the games are less juicy it's still not worth it.

My advice is don't look at the rake number because it only causes pain.

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I was going to clip 800 this year as a personal best and ended up in the hospital last month.

If you are doing that kind of time make sure you diet/exercise religiously, otherwise its not worth it imo.
Ask yourself if it's even worth it.

My winrate falls off a cliff if I try forcing in sessions. To the point I'd probably make just as much playing half as often.

Plus, depending on your situation, maybe the free time is more valuable than the money.

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I guess no real reason to wait until 1500 exactly...

Hours Win/Loss Cumulative Hourly BB/hr
Nov 2016 52 -$142.00 -$142.00 -$2.73 -1.37
Dec 2016 92.25 -$1,743.00 -$1,885.00 -$18.89 -9.45
2016 Total 144.25 -$1,885.00 -$13.07 -6.53

Hours Win/Loss Cumulative Hourly BB/hr
Jan 2017 110.5 $4,022.00 $4,022.00 $36.40 8.09
Feb 2017 112.5 $4,561.00 $8,583.00 $40.54 9.01
Mar 2017 162.43 $3,163.00 $11,746.00 $19.47 4.33
Apr 2017 103.83 $4,938.00 $16,684.00 $47.56 10.57
May 2017 94.68 $4,136.00 $20,820.00 $43.68 9.71
June 2017 103.33 $7,889.00 $28,709.00 $76.35 16.97
July 2017 149.75 -$4,679.00 $24,030.00 -$31.25 -6.94
Aug 2017 108 $300.00 $24,330.00 $2.78 0.62
Sept 2017 133.08 $16,255.00 $40,585.00 $122.14 27.14
Oct 2017 138.38 -$7,651.00 $32,934.00 -$57.49 -12.78
Nov 2017 113.08 -$560.00 $32,374.00 -$4.05 -0.90
Dec 2017
2017 Total 1329.58 $32,374.00 $24.35 5.41

Hours Win/Loss Hourly BB/hr
1/2 total 188.016 -$77.00 -$0.41 -0.20
2/5 total 1268.563 $32,145.00 $25.34 5.07
5/10 total 17.25 -$1,579.00 -$91.54 -9.15

That's a disgusting downswing

And looking closer, the first 400 hours are pretty disgusting too.

And good god there's another 10k downswing in the middle.

You've had a very painful poker career (despite $25/hr over 1000+ being a very solid result) and it's remarkable that you're still kicking. Thank you for sharing this.
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Old 12-02-2017, 12:16 PM   #20056
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winrate at bellagio 2/5 sustainable?
70 GBP would be about $95/hr so I’d say no.
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Old 12-02-2017, 12:17 PM   #20057
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You really do wonder exactly how much money the losers at this game lose over a lifetime. I wonder how startling it is?

GcluelesslosingnoobG
You can guess based on the facts that
1. people (maybe you the reader!) are winning $xx/hr
2. the casino is taking $yyy/hr

If you do the napkin math, it's not pretty. Say a prayer for the folks keeping 1/2 going. And light a candle for the losers in the bigger games

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winrate at bellagio 2/5 sustainable?
I see a 404 error so I'm going to say yes
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Old 12-02-2017, 12:22 PM   #20058
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For those who can't see it, papatango123 posted a screen shot of his $70/hour (says pounds, but I suspect that's not converted, just labeled that way because he's British) over about 500 hours of Bellagio 2/5.
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Old 12-02-2017, 12:29 PM   #20059
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That's a disgusting downswing

And looking closer, the first 400 hours are pretty disgusting too.

And good god there's another 10k downswing in the middle.

You've had a very painful poker career (despite $25/hr over 1000+ being a very solid result) and it's remarkable that you're still kicking. Thank you for sharing this.
Seriously, hours 800-1100 would have destroyed 99% of players.

Mental fortitude is a grossly overlooked aspect of poker (especially live)

Most people wouldn't go on to win $30/hr after that. They'd either quit or totally implode.
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Old 12-02-2017, 01:42 PM   #20060
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For those who can't see it, papatango123 posted a screen shot of his $70/hour (says pounds, but I suspect that's not converted, just labeled that way because he's British) over about 500 hours of Bellagio 2/5.
This is papatango123's screenshot (won't embed): http://www.image-share.com/upload/3648/144.jpg

I haven't played much Bellagio 2/5 in years but I suspect this is not a sustainable winrate given that the Bellagio game tends to play small and there are a lot of mediocre staked players in these games that aren't going to lose a lot. I'm sure weekdays vs weekends would have a huge impact on potential profitability though.
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Old 12-02-2017, 02:36 PM   #20061
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Seriously, hours 800-1100 would have destroyed 99% of players.

Mental fortitude is a grossly overlooked aspect of poker (especially live)

Most people wouldn't go on to win $30/hr after that. They'd either quit or totally implode.
I'm certainly not a quitter. There were some really well-timed big wins that helped make it easier to continue. By hour 800, I knew I had an edge, so I was determined to push thru.
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Old 12-02-2017, 02:43 PM   #20062
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That's a disgusting downswing

And looking closer, the first 400 hours are pretty disgusting too.

And good god there's another 10k downswing in the middle.

You've had a very painful poker career (despite $25/hr over 1000+ being a very solid result) and it's remarkable that you're still kicking. Thank you for sharing this.
The initial downswing was mostly playing $1/2. I moved up to $2/5 as a loser overall after realizing that game plays better for me.

I can imagine down swings like this hurting a pro even more. For me, it wasn't all that hard to push thru since I enjoyed my time playing and had the roll to weather the storm.

Up $7k since posting the graph too. Run -bad in the rearview mirror hopefully!
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Old 12-02-2017, 02:51 PM   #20063
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Nearing 100 hrs live play after an extended break from the game due to family (new kids). Its taken me about 3 months to put in this amount of play as I have been typically playing only one evening per week.

Stakes: $1/$3 NL -- $300 Max buy in
Hours: 87
Total Win/Loss: $4,909
Win Rate: $56.43/hr -- 18.81BB/hr

Completely unsustainable I think, but it feels good to start running well. Now that I've got back in the game, I'm targeting 50hr/month. However, having some positive short term results also helps convince that wife that yes, this game is beatable and I believe I will beat it.
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Old 12-02-2017, 07:51 PM   #20064
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Nearing 100 hrs live play after an extended break from the game due to family (new kids). Its taken me about 3 months to put in this amount of play as I have been typically playing only one evening per week.

Stakes: $1/$3 NL -- $300 Max buy in
Hours: 87
Total Win/Loss: $4,909
Win Rate: $56.43/hr -- 18.81BB/hr

Completely unsustainable I think, but it feels good to start running well. Now that I've got back in the game, I'm targeting 50hr/month. However, having some positive short term results also helps convince that wife that yes, this game is beatable and I believe I will beat it.
Solid results! Try to mix in a $2/5 shot when the game looks good. I constantly suggest this to my solid 1/2-1/3 buddies.
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Old 12-03-2017, 12:04 AM   #20065
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I think it might be depending on your skill level. Can you please post your graph?


this is my 2/5 graph yes its $ not £ i played all of october/november the last 2 years 50% is 6pm-2am shift the rest is 10am-6pm shift



these are my 1/2 uncapped games from northern england results in £
unsure wether these are good and sustainable.
graph of 1/2 is below

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Old 12-03-2017, 12:41 AM   #20066
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You have a couple of insane heaters in that 2/5 graph. Results you've seen so far probably aren't sustainable, but you look to be a solid winner even without those.

Your 1/2 results are very nice, and a nice big sample. That looks like a very good 1/2 game. What kind of effective stacks do you usually see?
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Old 12-03-2017, 01:10 AM   #20067
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the 1/2 games i play in are fairly deep generally stacks range from 200-1.5k with there probably being 3 or 4 with 1k + i always cover everyone . and probably 30% of that volume is in a semi private game where missisipi straddling is allowed so plays bigger.
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Old 12-03-2017, 04:56 AM   #20068
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Graph is confusing as hell. Here I was thinking this was a 200 hour sample :')
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Old 12-03-2017, 12:31 PM   #20069
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Right axis is pretty clearly sessions, imo.
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Old 12-03-2017, 12:43 PM   #20070
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It's not clear at all, clearly. And no one measures winnings in terms of sessions.
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Old 12-03-2017, 12:57 PM   #20071
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It's not clear at all, clearly. And no one measures winnings in terms of sessions.
Those charts cannot do an x axis containing hours because people track winnings by session by session not hour by hour. The other alternative is over time, which can be more misleading.

it's clearly sessions.
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Old 12-03-2017, 01:29 PM   #20072
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confirmed clearly
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Old 12-03-2017, 01:29 PM   #20073
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can’t say i’ve been doing it recently but if you are truly serious business about tracking and data i would take notes of stack size each down and/or note every vpip hand
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Old 12-03-2017, 01:32 PM   #20074
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can’t say i’ve been doing it recently but if you are truly serious business about tracking and data i would take notes of stack size each down and/or note every vpip hand


Sounds like overkill. Most would have to do this for years to see statistically significant data
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Old 12-03-2017, 01:46 PM   #20075
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it would create a live giraffe closest to online tracking ones
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