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Old 11-29-2017, 03:44 PM   #20001
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Depends on your definition of "normal". It also depends on how much better you are than your player pool. If you're in the top 2-5%, maybe you hit a 1000BB downswing once every 1000 hours. If you are a marginal winner, it could happen a lot more regularly.
As a marginal winner, can confirm.

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People that beat the game for 10 bigs per over the long term can taste their edge. When you sit at the table as a 10+bb winner you know exactly where your edge lies. There is no missing it. Your opponents are like open books. You pretty much know what they are gunna do before they do. You see their errors and blast em for it. If this resonates and u are like yep I feel you.
Seemed like I was getting to this "enlightened state" till the beginning of this month when I plunged hard. Slowly started getting back into the mood over the past week or so, but finding it difficult when I'm assuming to either get sucked out on or run into the tip top of everyone's range. Also, should probably brush up on short stack fundamentals since my $600 cap 5/5 game has seen a tenfold increase in straddling... which I'm trying to convince myself of is the reason for the larger swings.
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Old 11-29-2017, 04:13 PM   #20002
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I'm less than 40 hours from 1500 over the past 13 months. I have a full-time job so this is mostly recreational play although I certainly spend my PTO at the poker table. I will post my extremely mediocre results and graph in the coming weeks. 1000 bb downswing? Pssssssh that's nothin! I am (hopefully) on the other side of a 2800 bb downswing over about 2 months. Yes there were some instances where I played bad/tilted/whatever, but the bulk of it was true run bad. It sucked ass during but I'm better having experienced it. If that happens at the beginning of the stretch, I'm broke before I even got started. If you are getting to the point where you are winning after 200/300/400 hours, you've accomplished something already if you ask me.
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Old 11-29-2017, 04:15 PM   #20003
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1500 hours over 13 months as a rec player with a full-time job is extremely impressive.

Or extremely unimpressive.

I'm not sure which?

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Old 11-29-2017, 04:19 PM   #20004
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1500 hours over 13 months as a rec player with a full-time job is extremely impressive.

Or extremely unimpressive.

I'm not sure which?

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Ugh yes I think impressive and also pathetic. What is also impressive and pathetic is the total rake paid during that time. I used to ignore all of your warnings about importance of rake, but I feel it now after putting in crazy volume.
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Old 11-29-2017, 04:26 PM   #20005
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full time job + 1500 hours of poker over 13 months is absolutely insane.
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Old 11-29-2017, 04:43 PM   #20006
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full time job + 1500 hours of poker over 13 months is absolutely insane.
Confirmed. I've got 1167 hours during past 13 months with full time job which is neither healthy or sane.

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Old 11-29-2017, 04:47 PM   #20007
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yeah 872 hours for me. can't fathom how you hit 1500 lol
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Old 11-29-2017, 04:57 PM   #20008
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Minimum 9-5 + 30 hours per week of poker not including commuting hours for each.
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Old 11-29-2017, 05:33 PM   #20009
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I don't have a job and I'd pop champagne if I hit 1500 hours in a year (I actually cracked open a few cold ones when I hit 1200 a few weeks ago)
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Old 11-29-2017, 05:36 PM   #20010
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I was going to clip 800 this year as a personal best and ended up in the hospital last month.

If you are doing that kind of time make sure you diet/exercise religiously, otherwise its not worth it imo.
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Old 11-29-2017, 05:38 PM   #20011
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Huh, and I thought I was a degen at 500-600 hours.

I can't imaging hitting 1500. Even with a couple of poker trips to put in 3-4 18 hour days in a row I doubt I could do it.
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Old 11-29-2017, 05:40 PM   #20012
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I was going to clip 800 this year as a personal best and ended up in the hospital last month.

If you are doing that kind of time make sure you diet/exercise religiously, otherwise its not worth it imo.
My diet isn't great or terrible and I don't exercise like I used to (former athlete), but I stay in pretty decent shape. Sleep is the main thing sacrificed, as I often worker earlier hours to get to play more. Sometimes play overnights. I think I'll cut back to a certain extent in 2018. We'll see what happens.
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Old 11-29-2017, 06:05 PM   #20013
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I guess no real reason to wait until 1500 exactly...

Hours Win/Loss Cumulative Hourly BB/hr
Nov 2016 52 -$142.00 -$142.00 -$2.73 -1.37
Dec 2016 92.25 -$1,743.00 -$1,885.00 -$18.89 -9.45
2016 Total 144.25 -$1,885.00 -$13.07 -6.53

Hours Win/Loss Cumulative Hourly BB/hr
Jan 2017 110.5 $4,022.00 $4,022.00 $36.40 8.09
Feb 2017 112.5 $4,561.00 $8,583.00 $40.54 9.01
Mar 2017 162.43 $3,163.00 $11,746.00 $19.47 4.33
Apr 2017 103.83 $4,938.00 $16,684.00 $47.56 10.57
May 2017 94.68 $4,136.00 $20,820.00 $43.68 9.71
June 2017 103.33 $7,889.00 $28,709.00 $76.35 16.97
July 2017 149.75 -$4,679.00 $24,030.00 -$31.25 -6.94
Aug 2017 108 $300.00 $24,330.00 $2.78 0.62
Sept 2017 133.08 $16,255.00 $40,585.00 $122.14 27.14
Oct 2017 138.38 -$7,651.00 $32,934.00 -$57.49 -12.78
Nov 2017 113.08 -$560.00 $32,374.00 -$4.05 -0.90
Dec 2017
2017 Total 1329.58 $32,374.00 $24.35 5.41

Hours Win/Loss Hourly BB/hr
1/2 total 188.016 -$77.00 -$0.41 -0.20
2/5 total 1268.563 $32,145.00 $25.34 5.07
5/10 total 17.25 -$1,579.00 -$91.54 -9.15


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Old 11-29-2017, 08:21 PM   #20014
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Hello guys, I started to play poker professionally from April this year and quited my day Job ,I use the app RunGood that I really love it.
The graphics are very cool and you can put filters on your graphs to see different graph or all different type of games you play,
Another cool feature is that you can set goals for yourself and see how close to your goal you can get,
Weekly monthly yearly goals,
I wanted to post some screen shot but I can’t find the option to opload pictures here,can someone tell me how to do it?
From April to now I have played 1731 hours so far and I made 51.6k exactly ,
4256 dollar of it came from high hand promotion and my hourly not including high hands is 27.35 ,
For mix of 2:5 1:2 and 1:3 And little 5:5 since that game available only sometime , but 1355 hour of it is 2:5 game and the Rest mix of these other 3.
I want to compare my results to other professional players and to get a clue when it’s time to move up to 5:10 or higher,
My average on only 2:5 game for 1355h that I played is 6.3 bb around 33 dollar per hour,
If I find a way to upload pictures I m more than happy to post my graphs from RunGood app,
I strongly suggest this application ,
I was playing lots of poker before and I have been a winning player for some years but this app helped me to improve months after month and to be able to compare my hourly from different casinos, and compare different days of the week too,
I can see my win rate for each day of the week, it may sound superstitious but there is a logic behind it,
Player pool changes depending of the days of the week, for me the worst day has been Mondays that after 1755 hours I m breaching even,And best day been Sunday And after that sat that’s very close Sunday ,
It’s so amazing that I see almost any place that I played over 400 hours, my hourly rate comes very close with a difference of 10 percent max,
But for places with little sample like aria in Vegas as example that I only played 80 hours my hourly can show as high as 80 per hour for same game.
I want to take my game to next level and compare my result with other peeple
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Old 11-29-2017, 08:38 PM   #20015
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Is that a $14k downswing from hours 1250 or so to 1400? That’s -$93/hr over about a 5 week stretch? It looks like the month before that you were winning around $125/hr. Did something change between those months in the games or was it just variance?

Also, what is the max buyin in the games you play in and how many bbs do you buy in for?
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Old 11-29-2017, 09:33 PM   #20016
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Armen,

To upload pictures, you have to upload your picture to a website, such as tinypic.org. Then you get the link to where it is stored, hit the IMG button (the one that looks like two mountains with the sun over them) and paste the link.
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Old 11-29-2017, 10:11 PM   #20017
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Is that a $14k downswing from hours 1250 or so to 1400? That’s -$93/hr over about a 5 week stretch? It looks like the month before that you were winning around $125/hr. Did something change between those months in the games or was it just variance?

Also, what is the max buyin in the games you play in and how many bbs do you buy in for?
These are 100 bb cap buy ins. Except 5/10 is 200 bb buy in.

Yes that is a 2800 bb downswing. I ran hot the previous month & then couldn't do anything right. Numerous times getting stacks in with a set vs overpair only to get run down. I played badly at times no doubt, but it was a crazy rough stretch. I kept thinking that the pool was getting tougher but I'm not sure it was much different.
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Old 11-30-2017, 10:40 AM   #20018
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Huh, and I thought I was a degen at 500-600 hours.

I can't imaging hitting 1500. Even with a couple of poker trips to put in 3-4 18 hour days in a row I doubt I could do it.


Most people in my life think I'm a degen and I'm at ~250 for the year
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Old 11-30-2017, 10:44 AM   #20019
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Armen,

To upload pictures, you have to upload your picture to a website, such as tinypic.org. Then you get the link to where it is stored, hit the IMG button (the one that looks like two mountains with the sun over them) and paste the link.
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Old 11-30-2017, 10:48 AM   #20020
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Whats neat about soxfan's graph is it starts off down. Very rarely do you see graphs that start down, for a few reasons.

Nice work
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Old 11-30-2017, 10:55 AM   #20021
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my yearly graph starts down, stays down :P

sitting at 455 hours @ +2.5bb/hr wooooo

200bb downswongs standard imo

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Old 11-30-2017, 10:57 AM   #20022
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Whats neat about soxfan's graph is it starts off down. Very rarely do you see graphs that start down, for a few reasons.

Nice work
Whats not so neat about his graph is that it says "cum" no less than 5 times. Kinda creepy if you ask me.
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Old 11-30-2017, 11:40 AM   #20023
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Whats not so neat about his graph is that it says "cum" no less than 5 times. Kinda creepy if you ask me.
looooooooooool
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Old 11-30-2017, 11:43 AM   #20024
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Whats not so neat about his graph is that it says "cum" no less than 5 times. Kinda creepy if you ask me.
oops I attached the wrong graph!
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:02 PM   #20025
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my yearly graph starts down, stays down :P

sitting at 455 hours @ +2.5bb/hr wooooo

200bb downswongs standard imo

Winning!

In an hobby where everyone and their grandmother claims to be shipping 10bb+/hr at lol live low steaks, it's refreshing to see a lot more reasonable giraffes (which is most likely what most winners giraffes look like, apart from the upper 1% or sunrunners over a small sample size).

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