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Old 11-01-2017, 12:22 PM   #19851
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2. Share some of your winnings with wife and family eg, jewellery for the wife, upgraded TV for all, theme park trips for the kids etc.

If everybody is getting something out of your hobby, you could turn resentment (or future resentment) into encouragement.
Not sure I agree with this. It might be setting a difficult precedence to upkeep, and in the end it should mostly just be looked at as a "me time" hobby (not necessarily an expected bread winner in order to be justified).

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Old 11-01-2017, 12:51 PM   #19852
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Not sure I agree with this. It might be setting a difficult precedence to upkeep, and in the end it should mostly just be looked at as a "me time" hobby (not necessarily an expected bread winner in order to be justified).

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in a shocker, this is another example of how GG plays in the toughest poker market in the world.
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Old 11-01-2017, 01:11 PM   #19853
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in a shocker, this is another example of how GG plays in the toughest poker market in the world.
Last session, I guy makes it lol $10 after a limper. For some weird reason it folds to me UTG and I limp/reraise to lol $60 with AA with < $300 effective stacks.

I get called in two spots.

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Old 11-01-2017, 01:16 PM   #19854
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Old 11-04-2017, 09:21 PM   #19855
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So I would classify my self as better than your average amateur player and looking/working on improving my game. I'd like to get good enough (like anyone) be able to use it as like a second part time job. However my bank roll has been taking a beating with multiple bad beats (some which could have been avoided if I bet better). I've been on quite a cold streak as of lately like busting the last 4-5 times I've played. Is this normal or am I just not as good as I think haha. I mean statistaclly I'm losing to 4-6 outters on the river. Should I be better more on turn (without a made hand to protect mine)to discourage people from chasing. Or am I just dealing with a cold streak. Thanks
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Old 11-04-2017, 09:31 PM   #19856
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Impossible to tell, really, from what you have posted. Don't bet bigger to discourage people from chasing, bet enough that if they chase, they are making a mistake and you are getting value.

As for 4-5 times busting, do you mean one stack? If so, super common. If you mean, everything you brought with you, how much do you bring? What is your bankroll? How do you not know exactly how often you've busted? Are you not keeping records?
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Old 11-05-2017, 07:46 AM   #19857
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In other words, it's not at all impossible to tell from what you have posted; no, you are probably not as good as you think.
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Old 11-05-2017, 08:47 AM   #19858
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Impossible to tell, really, from what you have posted. Don't bet bigger to discourage people from chasing, bet enough that if they chase, they are making a mistake and you are getting value.

As for 4-5 times busting, do you mean one stack? If so, super common. If you mean, everything you brought with you, how much do you bring? What is your bankroll? How do you not know exactly how often you've busted? Are you not keeping records?
Thank you for reply. Yes everything I brought to play that day. I started with with $1k bank roll. Was Up to about $3k before this bad streak. But I usually bring $400 for 2 buy ins at 1-2. As far as discouraging chasers, that's what I have Ben doing is betting for value. But it's seems that's people are catching 2-4 outters on the river. And this has been a continuous trend for me. I see ALOT of guys playing that are definitely decent players that have huge bankrolls but sometimes play extremely poorly at times and just throw away money and buying in multiple times each session. I obviously don't want to do this.
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Old 11-05-2017, 11:13 AM   #19859
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Two buy-ins is not a lot. I usually bring three. It's not unusual to lose two buy-ins in a session, but doing that 4-5 times in a row is uncommon, though not even close to unheard of for a solid player. No offense, but based on your posting I think you have some leaks that would make it less uncommon.

General rule of thumb is that it takes 20 buy-ins in your bankroll to make your risk of going on a downswing bad enough to bust it all very unlikely. You started with a very small bankroll and are lucky this downswing didn't happen until you had a bigger (but still 25% too small) cushion.

As for folks catching 3-4 outers, it happens. The important thing is to make enough money off of all the times they chase and miss to make up for the times they chase and hit. The other important thing is to not pay them off on the river when they hit. When passive players bet on the river after the draw came in, it usually means they hit it, even if they never should have payed as much as they did to try. Don't pay them off.

Also, if you are serious about getting better, your #1 change that you need to make is to keep meticulous records, and never fail to record a session because "well, that one wasn't normal." You need to hold yourself accountable.
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Old 11-05-2017, 11:48 AM   #19860
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I appreciate the advice. I know I have a lot of work/practice ahead of me. I think it's a good sign when I know I make a mistake and I'm trying to learn from it, not just chalking it up to a bad beat. I know my sequence of betting can drastically improve. I find myself player better against tougher players. playing against rec players that stroll in from the casino and "saw it on tv" and want to play is difficult for me at this point. One reason being they don't understand the concept of bluffing. They don't think of what you have, they are just consumed with theirs and hoping they catch and if they do say "well that's poker". Usually I find those people who say that are playing to gamble not play the game properly.
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Old 11-05-2017, 11:52 AM   #19861
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In other words, it's not at all impossible to tell from what you have posted; no, you are probably not as good as you think.


To be fair to him, he said "better than your average amateur player", and an average amateur player is probably a loser of a descent # of BBs/hour.
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Old 11-05-2017, 11:59 AM   #19862
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I appreciate the advice. I know I have a lot of work/practice ahead of me. I think it's a good sign when I know I make a mistake and I'm trying to learn from it, not just chalking it up to a bad beat. I know my sequence of betting can drastically improve. I find myself player better against tougher players. playing against rec players that stroll in from the casino and "saw it on tv" and want to play is difficult for me at this point. One reason being they don't understand the concept of bluffing. They don't think of what you have, they are just consumed with theirs and hoping they catch and if they do say "well that's poker". Usually I find those people who say that are playing to gamble not play the game properly.
Honestly i can understand the need to rant, especially because most of "newer winner" do not have someone to talk poker to irl. You arent entitled to any pots and you should be thankful for these people who want to gamble it up, because if they didnt exist you would go broke. I think poker is all about survival between heaters and very few survive.
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Old 11-05-2017, 03:06 PM   #19863
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Usually I find those people who say that are playing to gamble not play the game properly.
If everyone plays the game properly, and if there is also a rake, then everyone's expected winrate would be negative.

I know this seems nitpicky, but developing proper thought processes is integral to forming a solid foundation for your game.

As someone else mentioned, I would also recommend tracking your results in a spreadsheet. I would highly recommend getting a poker notebook as well; in my opinion it is a far better tool for learning than a coaching subscription or a GTO solver and you can buy a notebook + a few pens at a store for just a few dollars. Write down hands that you found tricky and "think out loud" onto the paper about what you believe the proper play is and, more importantly, why it's the proper play.

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Old 11-05-2017, 04:08 PM   #19864
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I appreciate the advice. I know I have a lot of work/practice ahead of me. I think it's a good sign when I know I make a mistake and I'm trying to learn from it, not just chalking it up to a bad beat. I know my sequence of betting can drastically improve. I find myself player better against tougher players. playing against rec players that stroll in from the casino and "saw it on tv" and want to play is difficult for me at this point. One reason being they don't understand the concept of bluffing. They don't think of what you have, they are just consumed with theirs and hoping they catch and if they do say "well that's poker". Usually I find those people who say that are playing to gamble not play the game properly.
No offense, but every player I've met whose said that they play better against tougher players and worse against rec have all been terrible/had massive leaks in their game. The phrase doesn't even make sense. If you want to get good, I'd recommend making detailed records of every hand you make in an excel spreadsheet and then reviewing the hands afterward as well as talking to other good players about the hands you played. I got that tip from a 18bb/hr crusher (over a 5k hr sample size at 2/5) at my local casino and have been crushing ever since. The bad players are where most of your money should come from.
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Old 11-05-2017, 06:20 PM   #19865
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One of the things I've seen mentioned about the two games is that calling too often is a bigger leak than folding too often inmost NLHE games, while the reverse is true of a PLO game. Which plays into fishy tendencies of wanting to play every single hand.
Nice try Joey "you don't have to fold to 3bets in PLO" Ingram.
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Old 11-05-2017, 07:37 PM   #19866
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Getting caught up last 2 pages:

GG is a huge nit (:P) but I essentially agree, and don't see how you cannot. Yeah I am making more money right now than I was 3 years ago in EV because I improved much more vs competition, but this growth is not sustainable. I think the diminishing returns have already starting to hit really hard wrt my growth. I doubt I'd increase my winrate much more over the next year, even if I get into really advanced stuff.

That said, toughness will hit equilibrium unless outside forces change significantly (casinos, regulation, change of games/rules/rake that make winning impossible). The tougher poker is to win a lot of money at, the fewer regs there will be, the fewer people who try to win will play poker. That will still hurt the economy a lot, but I think it'll still be beatable. Will it be beatable for me? Prooobably, but I don't think it's unlikely that my winrate in 5-10 years will be a quarter of mine currently or less. Will it be beatable (better than minimum wage job) for most people on this board? I'm going to go with, probably not for most.


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and the ceiling in terms of what is possible is likely much higher than we'd like to admit to ourselves.

Yeah. People think GTO is "can't be beaten but probably can't beat good regs by much" show so much ridiculous hubris. I remember like 5 years ago so many of the LHE regs on this forum think 100% cbet strategy is LDO the best, and even if the OPTIMAL strategy is slightly less it's close enough and doesn't matter. If you think you can do well compared to GTO, while still being able to exploit fish, I'm up for a hefty prop bet if you like. No doubt you can exploit fish better, but to think that you'll "do okay" vs GTO is laughable. Good luck dealing with 1/4 pot and 8x pot bets all the time.

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"Let say its someone just like trickett, polk, mercier or one of those big names"
Yeah 2 of those 3 are probably very mediocre if not straight up bad at NLHE. Just say OTB

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What would you think their winrate would be over 2000 hours? Because 10bb seems to be the top echelon its seems but some people mention it could be 15bb for the top of top world class players in 2/5.
10bbs is no way the ceiling. I'm sure some of the best NL regs in my casino already acheive higher than that, and those are some of the tougher games already, + they are good (very good) but not world class good.

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Well, since basically no one is doing that (right?), then isn't this point moot?
No, it's not hard to acheive per se, it's just that anyone that can win at that winrate at low stakes usually can make more at higher stakes. If higher games dry up, or games get tougher, then that winrate at lower stakes will apply (to some degree, because of ourse if that happens then those games will probably get tougher too). Like I said I know of 5+ people with 20-25bb at 1/2 over large samples (at 200-250bb cap buyin).

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I actually think the big hotshots like the guys you mention maybe would have trouble of having the patience,discipline and consistency to blast off the winrates over a 2000 hour sample at 2/5 or even 5/10.
Ryan spews too, lol, but like, yeah, they're not playing their best, but if they were to, and we're saying theoretically if they had to play properly to make money, at least some of them will come through. Polk and Ryan probably make most of their money through crypto anyway and don't care about winning at poker that much.

But spewy youtube personalities aside, ike, you think these guys who got to the highest stakes did so without discipline and patience? Maybe 5 years ago that's true, but nowadays, not everyone can be Isildur. Most good players these days are work ethic nits. Most regs on this forum doesn't even do basic EV calcs for preflop spots, I find it shocking that there can be accusations of discipline and work ethic slung towards them from this corner.

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But, for the fun of guesstimating, I think Ivy can beat an average 5/T game for like $145/hr.
I'd say more for sure. I'd guess I know 20+ players in my pool who can make that much in an american 5/10. From all I've heard, Ivey actually is as good as they say at poker, and this is coming from people who love to tear celebs down.

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re: a lot of this depth talk
While I think it's true deeper games allow for big winrates at times, it's not always the case that it has a big impact. Lots of players tighten up significantly when deep, and I think there can be significant value being in a shorter game where people get it in carelessly. People keep saying I played in deeper 1/2 games so my winrates don't count, so I'm almost tempted to add an extra filter for non deep 1/2 games just to prove it wrong, because even when I sit deep, most people sitting in those games are shallow, and most people I stack are shallow, so idk why people think the winrate would necessarily plunge with a lower buyin (though it'd of course be somewhat lower).

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Not sure if you're joking or not at this point but ya. Not far fetched at all to suggest we can learn from a.i...hence piosolver etc (popular game theory software that people currently use to get better all the time).
I think some of the randomisation and memorisation is so complex it's basically impossible to get a high degree of accuracy. In PLO I can't imagine it being possible (though I think a very good human can probably get well close enough to the point that he'll be unbeatable by any other human).

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There is less difference between 1/2 and 10/25 than you’d think
Agreed.

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Ive never played 10/25 but there is no way this can be true. 10/25 is generally filled with world class players
My local 10/25 probably is one of the tougher regular fields in the world, but yeah, funny thing is, the regs in my casino who play 10/25 also play 1/3 when there aren't games, so...

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I'd definitely love to xbook a very winning 1/2 reg in a random 10/25 game
That's kind of a straw argument. Saying there's less difference than people think doesn't mean the difference there is isn't very significant (when the blinds are 12.5x the size, every small change in EV is huge).

fwiw I think I "play" in some of the toughest 5/10 10/25 NL games in the world. (I say "play" because I'm a 4 card reg now and avoid them where possible hyuk hyuk hyuk)

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Working with solvers is good in general to help your understanding of theory but applying what you learn to LLSNL games is largely not going to be useful.
I think it's IMMENSELY useful, but most people I know who've used them misapply them outrageously and it actually hurt their development, that's all.

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And the reason for the higher stakes winners that are looser?
They're broke.


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If these 2/5 crushers are crushing their games, then by definition they are not way too loose. They are playing the proper way to crush their games.
Suure, but a lot of these regs might not know how to adjust to needing to being tighter. This applies to some of the 2010-2012 regs who did very well in a meta of hyper aggression and then when the times changed they didn't adapy fast enough and got destroyed. A genuinely good reg who did adjust... well he'd just become a higher stake reg then, welcome to the club I guess? I assume Sabr is suggesting the reason the 2/5 regs that cannot move up cannot move up because they found a formula that beat 2/5 but couldn't adjust to a strategy that beat the higher stakes well enough to move up.


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I 3b squeezed 20bbs and got called in 5 spots the other night, we are all +200bb deep, flop JT3r, donk and 2 callers. That situation isn’t going to show up in an online grinders database of 3 million hands, and it is much more complex than people realize.
idk, seems pretty straight forward, can you explain? From balanced standpoint, you just think about your range same way as you do usual. Do you sqz TT JJ? How much AQ do you sqz? If you have TT JJ JT often enough, then it seems like a spot you bet 1/4 spot most of range then check majority of turns, and bomb some small %, or bet small again on rainbow 2-6 turn. If you have no TT JJ in range you might check 100% of range on flop. Explo would follow the same explo proccess, without much change, is our hand winning enough of the time when we bet and get called, which sizing gets most value, does checking induce more value now or on later streets, and how does it compare to the value of protection, etc etc.

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I don't know if never losing more then 3 buy ins is that much of a brag. If you're playing THAT low of variance style then you're clearly not booking any massive wins either.
Yeah, big leak to be focusing on results, and in particular, such blatant acceptance of risk aversion.


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You really have to play a mostly sold ABC have to win 2/5 n below.
Disagreed. It's in the lower games where you can deviate from "ABC". If you do it at high stakes you will get punished, in lower stakes games you will not. If you pick the worst spot possible to "deviate" then you're just doing it wrong, not because you can't do it at lower stakes.

If higher stakes are nothing but nitfests, why don't $2/5 crushers move up and make everyone fold with all their skills?

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Sounds easy according to you.
Because, *sob*, tight is right after all.

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Im just comparing your description of 2/5 games in which you say even the best players are way too loose
The good higher stakes players are TIGHT, not NITTY, they are playing a correct tight range, not because they are scared money or because they can't adjust.

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To answer your question, it is more profitable to play in a game where my 20bb 3bet goes 5 ways with 2k effective stacks than it is to try and pound nits at a 9 handed table that are sitting on slightly larger stacks. I have no idea why no one else realizes this.
I've definitely played lower stakes games instead of the higher one that is tougher, and I didn't sit the 10/20/40 at commerce every time it ran, and played the 5/10 1500 cap instead some of the times (fwiw I didn't have a huge USD roll either so that's also part of the reason). I'm sure SABR does this, any good reg does this, not sure what's really in contention here. That said, there's a huge upside (that comes with variance) in those bigger games because if you get the spot or semi-spot in a big pot where they hugely misplay, you can make a LOT of EV, or you can sit there for hours to wait for the game to become good when you outlast other regs who leave and then a mediocre rec joins, and maybe some regs get tilted. I think the EV of a higher stakes games depend on a lot more variables than just what's obvious on the surface, and regs who are used to battling can see potential EV where others see nits/tight regs.

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This is -EV for life, even if +EV for poker.
Yeah agreed. Don't throw away your life.


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In most relationships, you make implicit or explicit compromises about how you spend your time. You're going to have work time, shared time and "me" time. Your SO is likely to give you much more leeway for work time than "me" time, and it likely that their going to put poker in the "me" time bucket, not the work time bucket. That can be addressed, but it's difficult. I've made good money playing poker, but in the context of my relationship it's still clearly "me" time, which means I have to fit it in among work, family etc.
THIS, but also I think it's too much a given that "work" time necessarily gets presedence over family time. I try not to suck the life out of this forum with my preaching crap, but men in relationships and families really need to take a hard look at the family dynamics and their place in it and how their decision affects the home. A lot of men get to pursue hobbies or financial pursuits (of which poker can be either) at the sacrifice of their family cohesion, at their own discretion (or if not then they complain about their partner nagging them, as if they have no right to), and especially when the rest of the family cannot make those same decisions, it puts a huge and often unfair strain in the domestic space. It's frankly selfish, and of course this is not just for regs, in fact it's mostly true for fish who "escape" home life to gamble at lose money to regs like me, but I think it definitely includes regs and winning players too. Poker is a very stressful hobby/job, and it's not isolated. It's not like you going out to play poker either winning and having fun, or losing and being unhappy, isn't going to affect your family when you turn around and go home. I'm not talking about the extreme of people getting angry at beating up their wives and sh t when they go home, but even on a much much smaller scale, just their mood or enthusiasm for example, it's something that can have profound effect on family relations, and this is speaking from personal experience, coming from someone who have very close relationship with people in my home, and don't really spend that many hours away from home to begin with.

Not trying to discourage you from getting into poker, but don't think about sacrificing your family time like it's some kind of logistical puzzle of optimising money making and +Life EV interactions (mainly for yourself). Think of them in human terms. It's possible to play poker in a way that doesn't affect those factors negatively, in fact it can be possitive (everyone can be made happier if everyone has their own time to do their own things).


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1. Separate your poker bankroll from other monies. 2. Share some of your winnings with wife and family eg, jewellery for the wife, upgraded TV for all, theme park trips for the kids etc.

If everybody is getting something out of your hobby, you could turn resentment (or future resentment) into encouragement.
I really don't think it works like that. To a degree yeah, of course you can bribe your family with money, but it's about way more than that, unless you have a dysfuntional relationship to begin with, and they're happy to see less of you and would rather have gifts.

Gifts themselves are not the problem, they can be nice, but it doesn't solve the problem that is being brought up here.
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Old 11-05-2017, 08:10 PM   #19867
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I actually went out today and bought a note book to keep track. In the past couple sessions I've played I've noticed things that I could have done better. One in particular was my bet size. I wouldn't bet enough and allowe players to call with a small enough amount to try and catch their hand ( only had bet like 30% of pot after flop) and pretty sure if I made a larger bet to protect my hands I would have been fine. Also looking back, found myself limping into hands I shouldn't have even been in and catching a piece of board enough to keep me in hand and then loose. But my big areas I know I have to work on is bet sizing and quality of starting hands as well as keeping my position I kind when entering a hand. Went out today and made about 50BB in 2.5hrs. While working on these techniques. Some of you saying I totally have leaks in my game. I understand that. I do know I'm better than your avarrgae Joe Shmoe, but I wouldn't be posting on here if I didn't need advise on plugging those holes. I have a lot of work towards building my game up. Just really don't have anyone to talk to about it.
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:17 AM   #19868
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2,000 hour post:

Graph: https://imgur.com/h7UebId

Results:
1/2NL: +20,726; 823 hrs; 25.20/hr; 12.6bb/hr
1/3NL: +6,434; 91 hrs; 70.96/hr; 23.7bb/hr
2/5NL: +43,421; 849 hrs; 51.12/hr; 10.2bb/hr
T/TNL: +37,779; 210 hrs; 180.26/hr; 18.0bb/hr

2/2PLO: -1,561; 25 hrs; -62.62/hr; -30.8bb/hr
5/5PLO: -290; 3 hrs; -116/hr; -23.20bb/hr

Total: +106,509; 2000 hrs; 53.25/hr; 12.1bb/hr

of course we go on a nice little 9k downswing right into the 2,000th hour, but still really happy with how the last 1,000 hours have gone and was fortunate to run pretty well overall. improved my game a lot, but still lots i hope to be doing better over the next 1,000. i also suck at plo.
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:27 AM   #19869
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Graph: https://imgur.com/h7UebId

Results:
1/2NL: +20,726; 823 hrs; 25.20/hr; 12.6bb/hr
1/3NL: +6,434; 91 hrs; 70.96/hr; 23.7bb/hr
2/5NL: +43,421; 849 hrs; 51.12/hr; 10.2bb/hr
T/TNL: +37,779; 210 hrs; 180.26/hr; 18.0bb/hr

2/2PLO: -1,561; 25 hrs; -62.62/hr; -30.8bb/hr
5/5PLO: -290; 3 hrs; -116/hr; -23.20bb/hr

Total: +106,509; 2000 hrs; 53.25/hr; 12.1bb/hr

of course we go on a nice little 9k downswing right into the 2,000th hour, but still really happy with how the last 1,000 hours have gone and was fortunate to run pretty well overall. improved my game a lot, but still lots i hope to be doing better over the next 1,000. i also suck at plo.
Excellent stuff mate. 100bb cap games? Over what period was this 2k hours?
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:31 AM   #19870
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1/2 is 300 max
1/3 is 500 max
2/5 is 1k max
T/T is 3k max

& it is over the past ~2.5 years (i work full-time and play mostly during the week after work)
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:33 AM   #19871
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Obv just max out 10/10 volume lol

Can you answer the questions wrt 2/5?

Do you limp?
What is your standard UTG open range?
What is your standard open size?
What is your standard 3b range (say co vs mp)?

Where do you put yourself overall (2/5 specific)?

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Old 11-06-2017, 10:44 AM   #19872
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Obv just max out 10/10 volume lol

Can you answer the questions wrt 2/5?

Do you limp?
What is your standard UTG open range?
What is your standard open size?
What is your standard 3b range (say co vs mp)?

Where do you put yourself overall (2/5 specific)?

-3.......-2.......-1......0......1........2........3
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Do you limp? never open limp; will overlimp some
UTG open range: 77+; ATs+; KTs+; QTs+; JTs+; T9s; 89s; AQo+; A5s. will sometimes open 22+; AJo; and more suited aces depending on table or tighten up the range depending on the table
Standard open size: 4bb+1bb/limp
3b range: really player dependent so hard to say but can be extremely wide
Maniac Level: on average probably a 1.5. Going to be hovering from -1 to 2 depending on the table. some villains probably think i am a 3
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Old 11-06-2017, 01:46 PM   #19873
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I actually went out today and bought a note book to keep track. In the past couple sessions I've played I've noticed things that I could have done better. One in particular was my bet size. I wouldn't bet enough and allowe players to call with a small enough amount to try and catch their hand ( only had bet like 30% of pot after flop) and pretty sure if I made a larger bet to protect my hands I would have been fine. Also looking back, found myself limping into hands I shouldn't have even been in and catching a piece of board enough to keep me in hand and then loose. But my big areas I know I have to work on is bet sizing and quality of starting hands as well as keeping my position I kind when entering a hand. Went out today and made about 50BB in 2.5hrs. While working on these techniques. Some of you saying I totally have leaks in my game. I understand that. I do know I'm better than your avarrgae Joe Shmoe, but I wouldn't be posting on here if I didn't need advise on plugging those holes. I have a lot of work towards building my game up. Just really don't have anyone to talk to about it.
I have tremendous respect for you honest evaluation of your poker game. Most players don't have that, and that's why they continue to lose. I can tell you have a lot of potential. My average flop lead size is 2/3 pot. You want to milk value with a reasonable sizing if you have a TPGK+ type hand, as well as have a sufficient sizing to get secondpair- to fold to barrels when you flop a high equity hand like a straight/flush draw. PM me if you want tips/help.
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Old 11-06-2017, 01:52 PM   #19874
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Impressive results.

Are most stacks near the cap when you're playing>?

I personally think most players underestimate how big of a difference the cap and average stack depth impacts your winrate for what would nominally be the "same stakes".
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Old 11-06-2017, 02:04 PM   #19875
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thanks man

it obviously varies a ton - there are still plenty of min-buyers (200 at 2/5) and people who buy in for 400-800, but i would say on average >half of the table is 200bb+ eff and it is pretty common for there to be tables with 2-4 people who are very deep
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