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Old 07-19-2012, 02:42 PM   #1951
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:01 PM   #1952
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Uncapped game? $962 average BI and almost 0 rebuy?
Some of them were uncapped and some werent. I usually always enter my buying as 1k so that I have room to enter the cash out as a loss of several hundred dollars if need be. If you are familiar with the program you know that you can enter the games "live" as you are playing it or afterward as a "completed" game. I usually enter everything afterward and just got into the habit of entering the initial BI as 1000. There are a few gams here & there in which I did use the live game feature and thus the average buyin is lower than 1k.

So for instance if I just played a session in which I bought in for 500 at first and then added on 200 twice for 900 total and then ended up the session cashing out a total of 700 for a loss of 200...I just enter that I bought in 1k and cashed out 800. In other words the avg BI numbers & rebuys mean nothing in the screenshot, but the money totals & win rates (all the numbers that really matter) are accurate
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:02 PM   #1953
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:06 PM   #1954
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Some of them were uncapped and some werent. I usually always enter my buying as 1k so that I have room to enter the cash out as a loss of several hundred dollars if need be. If you are familiar with the program you know that you can enter the games "live" as you are playing it or afterward as a "completed" game. I usually enter everything afterward and just got into the habit of entering the initial BI as 1000. There are a few gams here & there in which I did use the live game feature and thus the average buyin is lower than 1k.

So for instance if I just played a session in which I bought in for 500 at first and then added on 200 twice for 900 total and then ended up the session cashing out a total of 700 for a loss of 200...I just enter that I bought in 1k and cashed out 800. In other words the avg BI numbers & rebuys mean nothing in the screenshot, but the money totals & win rates (all the numbers that really matter) are accurate
How the hell do you win that much playing 1/2 or 1/3??
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:12 PM   #1955
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How the hell do you win that much playing 1/2 or 1/3??
Lots of work away from the table. To be fair though, I used to play $2/5 & started flirting with $5/10 but then school & life expenses owned me hard along with not having a job in the last 4 yrs other than poker...also to this day several poker players owe me thousands which again, cripples my roll. I've made some bad investment choices away from the felt & so I have had to be a "good boy" and drop stakes this year. I'm not being cocky but having played a decent volume of 2/5 and then dropping back to 1/3 along with having the advantage of spending all my free time learning to play better has really helped me crush.
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:13 PM   #1956
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How the hell do you win that much playing 1/2 or 1/3??
Lots of work away from the table. To be fair though, I used to play $2/5 & started flirting with $5/10 but then school & life expenses owned me hard along with not having a job in the last 4 yrs other than poker...also to this day several poker players owe me thousands which again, cripples my roll. I've made some bad investment choices away from the felt & so I have had to be a "good boy" and drop stakes this year. I'm not being cocky but having played a decent volume of 2/5 (a couple years worth) and then dropping back to 1/3 along with having the advantage of spending all my free time learning to play better has really helped me crush.
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:14 PM   #1957
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Lots of work away from the table. To be fair though, I used to play $2/5 & started flirting with $5/10 but then school & life expenses owned me hard along with not having a job in the last 4 yrs other than poker...also to this day several poker players owe me thousands which again, cripples my roll. I've made some bad investment choices away from the felt & so I have had to be a "good boy" and drop stakes this year. I'm not being cocky but having played a decent volume of 2/5 and then dropping back to 1/3 along with having the advantage of spending all my free time learning to play better has really helped me crush.
That's not what I meant.

I've just read on here that the generally accepted max win rate for 1/2 is around $20/hr for the best. You're winning at a rate of 17bbs/hr. Even if we assume all of that is 1/3 then you're winning at a rate of 15bb/hr. You are basically winning a BB every other hand. With the rake being so massive at 1/2 and with tips, how can you possibly be winning this much?

For instance, right now I am crushing 2/5 (albeit a small sample size) for a little over 10bb/hr. This will probably drop down some too as I'm running pretty well for the most part.
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:16 PM   #1958
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Uncapped game and maybe little bit of fuzzy record keeping.

I don't get the whole recording $1000 BI as baseline after the fact.

Why not just start session and end session with exactly what you buy in, re-buy, and cash out?
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:25 PM   #1959
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There's no such thing as a max win rate. I don't really know how to answer the "how do you win that much" question without seeming like a cocky douche. I just try really hard to win I guess. For instance a typical day for me is to wake up, eat, drink some coffee, watch a CR vid or 2 (ive had subscriptions to almost all of the training sites, bluefire, CR, & deuces cracked are the best).go look through some 2p2 threads, watch dwan or someone own people (rewind & pause screen to try to notice what they notice). Play around with flopzilla & propokertools.com. Try to develop some different lines or sizings I could have taken in hands from previous sessions that could have improved my play. Work out @ gym *veryimportant*...usually take an afternoon nap & then go play from 7 or 8 pm till whenever.
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:30 PM   #1960
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Uncapped game and maybe little bit of fuzzy record keeping.

I don't get the whole recording $1000 BI as baseline after the fact.

Why not just start session and end session with exactly what you buy in, re-buy, and cash out?
Basically, because I don't really care what I bought in for or how many times I rebought. All that matters to me is the dollar amount of what I'm up or down on the session. I guess the real reason for the baseline 1k is laziness with the program...I see no need to go back & get the details accurate of how I arrived at being +300 on the session as long as I don't ever mess up the net total win or loss. It saves me 2 mins of my life this way. I guess that's the real answer.
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:31 PM   #1961
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Uncapped game and maybe little bit of fuzzy record keeping.

I don't get the whole recording $1000 BI as baseline after the fact.

Why not just start session and end session with exactly what you buy in, re-buy, and cash out?
Why does it even matter and what's not to get? What if you buy-in initially for a certain amount but are constantly adding on to cover people? Does that get counted as buyin or rebuy? Regardless, it's not something I want to keep track of mid session when I could be watching the action instead.

I do the bolded. I just put in many months of completed sessions into poker journal knowing only my time played and the result. The easiest way to do this is to use something like 1000 as a default and then adding or subtracting to come up with your cashout.

I don't care what my average buy-in or average rebuy are. The only things that matter to me are winnings, hours, and winrate.
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:39 PM   #1962
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Why does it even matter and what's not to get? What if you buy-in initially for a certain amount but are constantly adding on to cover people? Does that get counted as buyin or rebuy? Regardless, it's not something I want to keep track of mid session when I could be watching the action instead.

I do the bolded. I just put in many months of completed sessions into poker journal knowing only my time played and the result. The easiest way to do this is to use something like 1000 as a default and then adding or subtracting to come up with your cashout.

I don't care what my average buy-in or average rebuy are. The only things that matter to me are winnings, hours, and winrate.
Exactly this AND also I don't want people to see me paying around with poker journal or else they start asking questions & asking to see results or at the very least they know you are serious about poker and not just screwing around for fun
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:40 PM   #1963
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Exactly this AND also I don't want people to see me paying around with poker journal or else they start asking questions & asking to see results or at the very least they know you are serious about poker and not just screwing around for fun
I use poker journal, am constantly playing with it during my sessions (I keep track of my tips) and writing down hands to discuss later with people) and no one has asked me about it, asked to look at, or even really noticed to say anything fwiw.
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:42 PM   #1964
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nice work ethic sslip...where do you do yer gamboolin?
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In reference to poker journal.

If you have simply made your daily BI and limit as default, it literally takes 3 seconds to process start time, and when you do re-buy, it takes another 3 seconds to enter. When you're done, it takes maybe 5 seconds to put in the finish amount.
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Old 07-19-2012, 04:12 PM   #1966
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nice work ethic sslip...where do you do yer gamboolin?
LV casinos right now, mostly on strip
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i reside in vegas - play full time at the v...where u play?
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i reside in vegas - play full time at the v...where u play?
I just kinda play all over the place. I prefer the $1/3 with 500 max bi though, so that's caesars, Wynn, hard rock & a few others. Rake is nice at the V as well as the comps & servers but I kinda dislike $1/2 vs $1/3 and I also am a fan of btn straddling so...that's why I don't make it to V unless I'm gonna play 2/5 which is rare. Wynn is great but there's definitely merit to jumping around the lesser "reg-patrolled" spots like Caesars or Ballys etc.
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Of course. Sometimes when I take down a pot that's around $10 I don't but anything over that I tip 1 and if it gets to around 200 I'll tip 2. If its massive, no matter how big I don't go above 5 though. That's my limit. I always tip 1 for a drink, and on occasion esp at Wynn I'll tip the floor 5 for table selection advice & any other advice they give me on who to watch out for & why.
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Old 07-19-2012, 05:02 PM   #1971
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You guys are talking about buying in for 60BBs at 2/5, what's the point? why not just play 1/2 if you're going to do that. Not sure you're gonna learn much and adjust to 2/5 unless you play at least 100BBs deep.

If I lose about 2k at 2/5 drop back down?
I don't think there's much point in buyin in short for a higher stake - it means you lose value vs if you had a full stack. It is possible to play stort stack profitably, but it does cost value.

I would suggest taking maybe a 5BI shot or something like that with a normal BI size for your play (e.g. 100 BB).


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Personally, when I play I never buy in for less than 100BB, and often buy in for max or so I cover the rest otherwise. In my local casino there's a 200BB max BI, and the one close to uni it's 250 BB max. I tend to BI for 200BB most of the time - but then I'm a player who prefers deepstack play as that allows for a lot more of creativity and more interesting value situations.

I played in a large European capital last week, where I saw lots of 400-1000BB stacks (200BB max BI) on pretty much half the players at each table... The first day I left with over 800BB, second day about 350BB; it is just a normal stack size for the type of play that you encounter!
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Of course. Sometimes when I take down a pot that's around $10 I don't but anything over that I tip 1 and if it gets to around 200 I'll tip 2. If its massive, no matter how big I don't go above 5 though. That's my limit. I always tip 1 for a drink, and on occasion esp at Wynn I'll tip the floor 5 for table selection advice & any other advice they give me on who to watch out for & why.
word, your winrate is impressive. I have told mpethy a few times to switch to the 1/3 500 buyin games in vegas, seems like a much much better structure than the 1/2 200 games.
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word, your winrate is impressive. I have told mpethy a few times to switch to the 1/3 500 buyin games in vegas, seems like a much much better structure than the 1/2 200 games.
I think they are...most 1/2s allow a 300 cap though so its not terrible but I think the 1/3 500 is slightly superior, but then again 2/5 is the ultimate **** if you're rolled for it. One day we'll all be there.
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I think they are...most 1/2s allow a 300 cap though so its not terrible but I think the 1/3 500 is slightly superior, but then again 2/5 is the ultimate **** if you're rolled for it. One day we'll all be there.
Word I built my roll playing 1/2 and 2/5, I took my shot at 2/5 first when I had 4k, lost 1K like instantly due to some bad play and some bad luck, then a month later, I tried again and this time ran really well and haven't look back.

Now my roll is 15k.

I love 2/5 it's so, so, so, much better than 1/2, but maybe you're 1/2 and 1/3 games are jucier than at my casino, which are still really soft, but too many shortstackers.

2/5 is just so much more exponentially better. I want to start taking shots at 5/10 soon though, but I probably need a little more...


I'm not playing pokre for a living btw, so I don't need to be as nitty with BRM as pros do.

If you've won 38,000 at 1/2 and 1/3 how are you not rolled for 2/5 yet??
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If you've won 38,000 at 1/2 and 1/3 how are you not rolled for 2/5 yet??
Several reasons. Loaned a lot of $ to "friends" & haven't seen much of it back. A good portion of the $ goes to daily expenses. Flights around the country to & from LV or to see family. School. Girlfriend.

I haven't been working so it's not like I'm saving away the entirety of my winnings..in fact I probably have to spend about 4/5 of my winnings on just life expenses. So it's really hard for me to put away money to grow the roll.
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