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Old 10-05-2017, 10:18 PM   #19676
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I was playing VERY exploitative and running very well obviously (I've said this before but I mainly play an overbluff/overfold strategy live).
explain pls

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Old 10-05-2017, 10:30 PM   #19677
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explain pls
Pretty much the white magic that phil hellmuth talks about lol
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Old 10-05-2017, 10:40 PM   #19678
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Pretty much the white magic that phil hellmuth talks about lol
Now i'm really confused. Believe most of your hours were at 500 cap. I think $80 an hour is achievable in 1k cap.
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Old 10-05-2017, 11:38 PM   #19679
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Now i'm really confused. Believe most of your hours were at 500 cap. I think $80 an hour is achievable in 1k cap.
We’ll see. I do have some hours in at parx and sugarhouse that has $1k. My winrate is higher in those games but only have 190 hours recorded
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Old 10-06-2017, 01:49 AM   #19680
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Awesome job Tilty. Keep the grind going.
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Old 10-06-2017, 09:38 AM   #19681
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@tilty: congrats, very nice results. Is that all 2/5?

also $8/hr for tipping seems like a ton. are you tipping >1$ per hand?
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Old 10-06-2017, 09:49 AM   #19682
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Re: getting stacked multiple buy-ins in an orbit

Ive told this story before but i got ai 3 times in the first 3 hands of a new table opening up vs a whale. -$500, -$500, +$1,000.

The third ai was my last bullet and i was thinking how incredible the situation was, that I could be going home after 3 hands with 3 successive bullets and my worst hand was AKs vs a whale shoving blind.

Until you see a whale's J4o vs your QQ and you feel sick to your stomach, you dont even know what variance is.
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Old 10-06-2017, 09:50 AM   #19683
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@tilty: congrats, very nice results. Is that all 2/5?

also $8/hr for tipping seems like a ton. are you tipping >1$ per hand?
Even at $2 per hand, that's winning an avg of 4 pots an hour. Who does that? Not any good players I know. You have to play super loose to win 4 every hr long term, dont you?
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Old 10-06-2017, 10:05 AM   #19684
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Re: getting stacked multiple buy-ins in an orbit

Ive told this story before but i got ai 3 times in the first 3 hands of a new table opening up vs a whale. -$500, -$500, +$1,000.

The third ai was my last bullet and i was thinking how incredible the situation was, that I could be going home after 3 hands with 3 successive bullets and my worst hand was AKs vs a whale shoving blind.

Until you see a whale's J4o vs your QQ and you feel sick to your stomach, you dont even know what variance is.
This is how it happens. One of the whales in this hand started his stack by tripling up on a 3-way all in cold calling $300 pf w/ 23dd.

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Saw a 1/3 300 max buy fueled by two nouveau riche whales escalate to 2/5 within an hour. Only to be deaded after one of said nouveau riche whales winning a 6700 pot

HH is as follows:

Nouveau riche 1 raises utg 30 without looking at cards, EP nit flats, Indian flats, Late position calls, Nouveau riche 2 makes it 200, folds to utg who shoves 1.1k, nit shoves 1k, indian shoves 2450, Nouveau rich tank calls off the rest of his 2.3k and tables 34ss

flop 925r

turn 6

river is a brick of some sort

UTG had KTo
Nit JJ
Indian QTs

Nouveau riche 1 is now felted, but wants to buy in off Nouveau riche 2's stack which now way outweighs table. Floor says no, despite all players saying "it's cool."

Nouveau riche 1 goes ballistic, threatens poker room staff that he'll be talking to his host, etc.

whales leave, game breaks, hero goes back to 1/3

Also learned a new (to me) poker term that applied to tonight's madness

Schooling: Schooling or fish schooling describes a phenomenon where the mistakes of loose-passive players weigh less heavily on their equity because there are many of them. The individuals who make bad, unprofitable calls are aided by the fact that others doing the same thing increases everybody's pot odds.

Though I'm not sure the term actually applies with aggro whales. Maybe it does?

Here's a short clip from the final hand:

https://twitter.com/nicnameks/status/916194879054798848
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Old 10-06-2017, 12:00 PM   #19685
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@tilty: congrats, very nice results. Is that all 2/5?

also $8/hr for tipping seems like a ton. are you tipping >1$ per hand?
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Even at $2 per hand, that's winning an avg of 4 pots an hour. Who does that? Not any good players I know. You have to play super loose to win 4 every hr long term, dont you?
It’s prob a little lower. Also factoring in tipping waitress. Recalculating it’s prob around $6.5. I’ll try to get it to around $5/hr moving forward.

How much do you guys think you tip an hr?

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Old 10-06-2017, 12:52 PM   #19686
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How much do you guys think you tip an hr?
I usually give $1 per hand I win, even if I scoop a HU pot with a c-bet (been thinking about eliminating this tip) and I'll usually bump up to $2 if I stack someone for more than 100bb. However, pending on the length of the session, I'll order one or two meals, which for me are free, so I tip the service ~$4 each meal. I think in a session of ~5hrs I must give away more than $10. I actually used to think it was less than $10 before I typed this out, but I guess if I played daily (which I almost do), that comes out to like $3k a year in tips. Hourly, I dunno... make like two fiddy to tree fiddy.
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Old 10-06-2017, 12:52 PM   #19687
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It’s prob a little lower. Also factoring in tipping waitress. Recalculating it’s prob around $6.5. I’ll try to get it to around $5/hr moving forward.

How much do you guys think you tip an hr?
I guess it all depends on how many hands you play / win per hour and how many drinks you're getting.

I don't drink, am moving towards an uber tight nit strategy, and only tip $1 on big pots (no tips on raise-and-take-its, cbets, small limped pots, etc.). Lol, I'd guess I can easily tip $2 total in a 6 hour session depending on how things go.

$8/hr seems like you'd have to be playing a massive amount of hands / winning a lot of pots / tipping a lot per pot / having a lotta drinks.

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Old 10-06-2017, 01:08 PM   #19688
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Tipping is like anything else in this world.

You don't *have* to tip a lot in most situations but it often makes someone day better if you do.

I donate to charity. $1-$9 at a time.

Ymmv.
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Old 10-06-2017, 01:34 PM   #19689
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Until you see a whale's J4o vs your QQ and you feel sick to your stomach, you dont even know what variance is.
I've been there... Had a stretch where I got two outered over and over again all in on flop. Set would lose to overpair, overpair would lose to smaller overpair, etc. Or I'd 4bet big pre with big pairs, and lose to a flopped set after I made SPRs way too small to consider folding post.

This stuff happens.. But ultimately I think if you get to a point where you feel sick seeing J4o calling an allin against QQ it's time to take a little time off from poker. There is simply no way to play your best game when your mindset is like that.
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Old 10-06-2017, 01:53 PM   #19690
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I don't drink, am moving towards an uber tight nit strategy, and only tip $1 on big pots (no tips on raise-and-take-its, cbets, small limped pots, etc.). Lol, I'd guess I can easily tip $2 total in a 6 hour session depending on how things go.
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Old 10-06-2017, 01:55 PM   #19691
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But ultimately I think if you get to a point where you feel sick seeing J4o calling an allin against QQ it's time to take a little time off from poker. There is simply no way to play your best game when your mindset is like that.
This x100.

It took awhile for more to get to the place I'm at now. Every time big money goes I and I'm ahead, my mindset considers it a win of whatever my equity is. If I win the hand, I ran above ev and if I loose I ran below. Regardless of the outcome, I'm profiting.





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Old 10-06-2017, 02:08 PM   #19692
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Would not count meal tip in poker income as its not an incremental cost driven by poker (I'd be eating out anyways, and would tip anyways)

Poker hand tipping obviously is an incremental expense so it should be coming out of your stack.

As for actual amount per hand, i think people pay too much attention to gross tips and not enough attention to much more important small expenses.
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Old 10-06-2017, 02:13 PM   #19693
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Would not count meal tip in poker income as its not an incremental cost driven by poker (I'd be eating out anyways, and would tip anyways)

Poker hand tipping obviously is an incremental expense so it should be coming out of your stack.

As for actual amount per hand, i think people pay too much attention to gross tips and not enough attention to much more important small expenses.
Shipping is a controversial topic especially in this forum. All I will say is that I do not keep track of tips. whatever I tip is just organically included in my win rate. I am mindful of the effect of tipping on my win rate.

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Old 10-06-2017, 02:19 PM   #19694
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There's a whole tipping containment thread for this discussion.
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Old 10-06-2017, 02:24 PM   #19695
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Even at $2 per hand, that's winning an avg of 4 pots an hour. Who does that? Not any good players I know. You have to play super loose to win 4 every hr long term, dont you?
Don't think that's true. @27 hands per hour, the average player wins 3 pots per hour. 20% of all players probably win 4 pots per hour or more
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Old 10-06-2017, 02:46 PM   #19696
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It took awhile for more to get to the place I'm at now. Every time big money goes I and I'm ahead, my mindset considers it a win of whatever my equity is. If I win the hand, I ran above ev and if I loose I ran below. Regardless of the outcome, I'm profiting.
Listen up youngster. I understand equity and have since before I got into poker (finance). I knew the concept of sklanksy bucks before i knew who sklanksy was. I typed posts just like yours 4 years ago.

My post below still stands:

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Until you see a whale's J4o vs your QQ and you feel sick to your stomach, you dont even know what variance is.
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Old 10-06-2017, 02:57 PM   #19697
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+1 to what Ava is saying.

This has nothing to do with not understanding equity or Sklansky dollars: but it has to to with how merciless soul crushing negative variance can be in livepoker when you face it at its worst. I would go on the limb to say that many posters on this forum havent come close to seing how bad it can get. Sometimes i have doubts that i have seen it myself- and i have seen alot of insane downswings/runbad. Couple of my worst swings almost made me quit poker 2-3 years ago: almost, but luckily i came back stronger and better than ever. But with more valuable experience on board. Experience that you cant buy for money- you need to _feel_ it yourself.
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Old 10-06-2017, 02:59 PM   #19698
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You must be loved by the casino stuff.
I certainly don't want to turn this into a tipping thread (it'll be my last post on this topic), but my guess is that the way you treat / interact / etc. with the dealers/staff is >>>>> tips (especially in a casino where all tips are pooled like in my case). It's possible I'm naive / not-as-self-aware-as-think, but I have a very good relationship with all the staff (many who have been here the ~12 years I've been playing in the room, there is a very low staff turnover rate here) and I highly doubt any of them would ever have anything but good things to say about me.

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Old 10-06-2017, 03:10 PM   #19699
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I just recently completed 500 hours of 2/5 NLHE (since I started logging) so thought I'd post a new graph, filtered for only 2/5. I think the first 200 hours included a lot of re-remembering stuff, solidifying my game after I hadn't really played for over a year. But there was also some run ad mixed in there. Currently averaging 18.3BB/hour at 512 hours, and the last 300 hours have been pretty sick results-wise. Much of this has been in the form of gifts (villains calling off stack in terrible spots)... I've played 170 hours combined of other games (other stakes NLHE, and also PLO), and combined winrate is similar, though currently 10/10 NLHE and 5/5 PLO are showing the highest winrates.

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Old 10-06-2017, 03:27 PM   #19700
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I just recently completed 500 hours of 2/5 NLHE (since I started logging) so thought I'd post a new graph, filtered for only 2/5. I think the first 200 hours included a lot of re-remembering stuff, solidifying my game after I hadn't really played for over a year. But there was also some run ad mixed in there. Currently averaging 18.3BB/hour at 512 hours, and the last 300 hours have been pretty sick results-wise. Much of this has been in the form of gifts (villains calling off stack in terrible spots)... I've played 170 hours combined of other games (other stakes NLHE, and also PLO), and combined winrate is similar, though currently 10/10 NLHE and 5/5 PLO are showing the highest winrates.
i'm assuming the 2/5 was 1k cap? sick results
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