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Old 07-08-2017, 12:12 PM   #19301
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I get more tilted if I lose at $2/5 instead of $5/10 or $10/20 even if it's for way less money. The feeling of "these people play so terribly and I can't beat them" bothers me more than it should.


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Old 07-08-2017, 03:58 PM   #19302
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I get more tilted if I lose at $2/5 instead of $5/10 or $10/20 even if it's for way less money. The feeling of "these people play so terribly and I can't beat them" bothers me more than it should.
That's entitlement tilt. If that's the biggest thing that tilts you, getting rid of it will get rid of most of your tilt.
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Old 07-08-2017, 04:28 PM   #19303
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That's entitlement tilt. If that's the biggest thing that tilts you, getting rid of it will get rid of most of your tilt.
lol deep insight there. "If X is the biggest problem you have, getting rid of it will get rid of most of your problems"
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Old 07-08-2017, 06:33 PM   #19304
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lol deep insight there. "If X is the biggest problem you have, getting rid of it will get rid of most of your problems"
Many people, myself included, have trouble seeing the obvious solution.
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Old 07-08-2017, 07:50 PM   #19305
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I understand. I'm being facetious and don't disagree with your assessment
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Old 07-08-2017, 10:34 PM   #19306
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That was the most civil ending to a petty statement lmao
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Old 07-08-2017, 11:22 PM   #19307
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Happy to report that my 16 month stint playing professionally will be winding down. After a seemingly never ending 6 month interview process for a commercial real estate brokerage position I was just notified I will be hired.

It was an enjoyable if not mediocre run and I can't say I recommend it for anyone in a similar position (have a bachelors a masters degree; left a very well paying job), but it got me to where I want to be and likely played a small part in the interview process.

Now I can return to the realm of being a rec-fish.
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Old 07-09-2017, 12:10 AM   #19308
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Old 07-09-2017, 10:13 AM   #19309
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I just hit 1000 hours since that time I quit poker for a few months after I got really mad about losing at poker because I was bad at poker. So why not post some graphs and numbers from a weekend warrior.



From 2nd half of 2015 on (after moving from Venue #1 to Venue #2) I've only been playing weekends, usually one session of 6 ish hours every weekend. Lately it's been more. Before it was often less.







Note, venue/stake splits don't quite add up to the total, there's one session of plo and a few random other casinos with 1 or 2 sessions that I omitted

Not quite a boss like many people here and I do feel that over those 1000 hours I've run above average (Even coming off a breakeven 200 hours)

But I've been at the point for a while where I don't need to stress about poker because it's just a nice easy fun side income. For money that improves my quality of life and also that I can afford to lose. Don't have a desire to move up and be a holla balla, things are good enough already.

Like Squid said and like johnny knows, stable income + working life + poker hobby is the nuts. Even if I could maintain this hourly playing full time I wouldn't want to.
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Old 07-09-2017, 10:20 AM   #19310
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Although its not a ton of hours, I find it interesting that your $$/hr at 1/2 & 1/3 is almost exactly the same as your $$/hr at 2/5 even though 2/5 is 250% higher stakes.

I say that because mine is very very close also. I think people greatly underestimate the skill difference between the 2 levels. IMO its a huge jump in quality of play. I mean 2/5 is scattered with people who aren't great but a good 2/5 player playing 1/2 is like Tom Brady playing against high schoolers.
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Old 07-09-2017, 10:31 AM   #19311
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The big difference is that at the venue most of my 1/2 hours are from, there were multiple 1/2 tables and usually just one 2/5 table (which was populated with regs, some of whom were better players!) And sometimes I'd even choose a 1/2 table over the 2/5. I didn't table select ultra vigilantly (don't be the doofus who blatantly bumhunts one player and hops multiple times a session.) I'd just try to go to whatever table had a lot of chips on it and it was usually a good decision. So it's basically the best table out of 4-8 tables, versus one random table.
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Old 07-09-2017, 12:09 PM   #19312
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DK, had no idea fallsview was one of your rooms. I was there on holiday recently, really neat place.

One of the bigger things that goes overlooked is the stack depth between 1/2 and 2/5. I think it's pretty clear that a 9 handed 1/2 with $500 average stack is a better game than a 9 handed 2/5 with $500 average stack.

What I'm getting at is that I've often been in good 1/2 games where the smallest effective stacks are 300bb. I don't think I've ever been in that situation in 2/5 or only a handful of times.

You have much greater implied odds and usually people are still limping or raising lol $12 which is just incredible when you are 300bb deep.

Just last night I was on a decent 2/5 and on a super heater (brag) and took a break and saw a 1/2 with 3 $800 stacks and the rest $300-$600. I tanked for 10 minutes on whether I should table change.
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Old 07-09-2017, 12:43 PM   #19313
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DK, had no idea fallsview was one of your rooms. I was there on holiday recently, really neat place.

One of the bigger things that goes overlooked is the stack depth between 1/2 and 2/5. I think it's pretty clear that a 9 handed 1/2 with $500 average stack is a better game than a 9 handed 2/5 with $500 average stack.

What I'm getting at is that I've often been in good 1/2 games where the smallest effective stacks are 300bb. I don't think I've ever been in that situation in 2/5 or only a handful of times.

You have much greater implied odds and usually people are still limping or raising lol $12 which is just incredible when you are 300bb deep.

Just last night I was on a decent 2/5 and on a super heater (brag) and took a break and saw a 1/2 with 3 $800 stacks and the rest $300-$600. I tanked for 10 minutes on whether I should table change.
It is neat! Well, was. Shame they gutted the poker room.

Yes, deep 1/2 is great. I loved the 1/3 500 cap structures in Vegas. I think that is one of the greatest games imaginable.

Ok, 166 bb doesn't sound super deep, but it also doesn't play 50% bigger than 1/2 so it sorta works. Deep stack play is usually beyond the grasp of people playing the lowest stakes so that's great too. My favorite thing is missed value. When someone checks 2p on the river because they are afraid of an impossible straight. Even when i lose the pot, it's like 50bb directly into my pocket.

It is weird because I played almost exclusively 100bb cap games for almost two years and now I play usually around 300bb deep (and some crazy people buy in for 1000bb ) But the transition is going well and it's just more fun. 100bb cap there are a lot of times you can't do anything except wait for a hand. Which is fine, I won't complain about making a decent amount of money for doing something brainless. But it's not as good as making more money and playing interesting hands.
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Old 07-09-2017, 08:55 PM   #19314
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Although its not a ton of hours, I find it interesting that your $$/hr at 1/2 & 1/3 is almost exactly the same as your $$/hr at 2/5 even though 2/5 is 250% higher stakes.

I say that because mine is very very close also. I think people greatly underestimate the skill difference between the 2 levels. IMO its a huge jump in quality of play. I mean 2/5 is scattered with people who aren't great but a good 2/5 player playing 1/2 is like Tom Brady playing against high schoolers.
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The big difference is that at the venue most of my 1/2 hours are from, there were multiple 1/2 tables and usually just one 2/5 table (which was populated with regs, some of whom were better players!)
Wow all of this went through my head over the past week. I have limited hours in my 2/5 game, which is 1 table or at best 2 but it's must-move, and while I have slightly highr $/hr at 2/5, not enough to merit any conclusions. Last night I decided to abandon the 'dream' of playing consistently at 2/5, temporarily at least, and will stay a 1/3 big fish in a small pond. Kinda feels like a wee bit of giving up, but I have no fun at the casino with 2/5 and the stress of bigger stacks isn't worth the theoretical but up to now unrealized higher $/hour.
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Old 07-09-2017, 09:00 PM   #19315
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Happy to report that my 16 month stint playing professionally will be winding down. After a seemingly never ending 6 month interview process for a commercial real estate brokerage position I was just notified I will be hired.

It was an enjoyable if not mediocre run and I can't say I recommend it for anyone in a similar position (have a bachelors a masters degree; left a very well paying job), but it got me to where I want to be and likely played a small part in the interview process.

Now I can return to the realm of being a rec-fish.
Buz I am so happy for you. I have always gravitated to your posts, not just for their nuts and bolts advice but their tone as well. I kinda assumed I was an outlier around here: Master's degree, MAWG, and no longer in the professional world as I sort out some mid-life BS and toy with/tease the idea of turning pro. Your posts have always been ones that I pay extra attention to, and I wish you nothing but happiness. You may not have made it to the top of the mountain, but most people never even bother to put on the climbing gear. Well played, sir, well played.
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Old 07-10-2017, 07:44 AM   #19316
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It is neat! Well, was. Shame they gutted the poker room.

Yes, deep 1/2 is great. I loved the 1/3 500 cap structures in Vegas. I think that is one of the greatest games imaginable.

Ok, 166 bb doesn't sound super deep, but it also doesn't play 50% bigger than 1/2 so it sorta works. Deep stack play is usually beyond the grasp of people playing the lowest stakes so that's great too. My favorite thing is missed value. When someone checks 2p on the river because they are afraid of an impossible straight. Even when i lose the pot, it's like 50bb directly into my pocket.

It is weird because I played almost exclusively 100bb cap games for almost two years and now I play usually around 300bb deep (and some crazy people buy in for 1000bb ) But the transition is going well and it's just more fun. 100bb cap there are a lot of times you can't do anything except wait for a hand. Which is fine, I won't complain about making a decent amount of money for doing something brainless. But it's not as good as making more money and playing interesting hands.


even though i manage to get destroyed most of the time i play it and have yet to have a nice ($600+) win in it, can confirm the 1/3 500max at MGMNH is nuts and all skill levels seem to be buying a lot of chips one way or another
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Old 07-10-2017, 08:09 AM   #19317
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Agreed. Very happy with 1/3 (100-500) over 1/2 (60-300) in the area I play in. Typically several people are 800+ deep. People rarely buy in for the min. Donks tend to not sit down, donk off 1 short BI and leave (which seems to happen a lot at 1/2 IME), they tend to stick around and donk off 3 or 4. Skill level is comparable to 1/2. 2/5 guys will sit while waiting and typically try to run over the table so they're super wide and tend to play just as bad as most of the table, either because they're just bad or because of entitlement tilt
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Old 07-10-2017, 08:15 AM   #19318
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will add this is not true for 1/3 200-500 at the other place which has been mostly grinders each time i've played because they have 1/2 100-300 also that never has a list, and 1/3 usually has 1-2 tables and does have a list (can call in tho)

the other other place has 1/3 300max with MS straddle from anywhere 2x-5x, and that's another great 1/3 game
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Old 07-11-2017, 05:29 AM   #19319
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I just hit 1000 hours since that time I quit poker for a few months after I got really mad about losing at poker because I was bad at poker. So why not post some graphs and numbers from a weekend warrior.



From 2nd half of 2015 on (after moving from Venue #1 to Venue #2) I've only been playing weekends, usually one session of 6 ish hours every weekend. Lately it's been more. Before it was often less.







Note, venue/stake splits don't quite add up to the total, there's one session of plo and a few random other casinos with 1 or 2 sessions that I omitted

Not quite a boss like many people here and I do feel that over those 1000 hours I've run above average (Even coming off a breakeven 200 hours)

But I've been at the point for a while where I don't need to stress about poker because it's just a nice easy fun side income. For money that improves my quality of life and also that I can afford to lose. Don't have a desire to move up and be a holla balla, things are good enough already.

Like Squid said and like johnny knows, stable income + working life + poker hobby is the nuts. Even if I could maintain this hourly playing full time I wouldn't want to.
Thanks DKB ! Your numbers are really appreciated - as I am a very part time recreational gamboooler and it helps to see some similar stakes from other part time players. I hope to get to add some more hours at Christmas and New years when we will be back to the states for vacation.

This is for playing 1/2 & 1/3 on vacations - mostly at Lake Charles, Biloxi, New Orleans and Winstar for 2016 and 2017.

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Old 07-11-2017, 08:00 AM   #19320
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Gamboolman,

I was chatting with you in another thread about a week ago about GNLC. Life circumstances have me moving to West Texas. Now the closest room will be Winstar.

I've really grown to love the deep stack 1/3 @ GN. How does the 1/3 game at Winstar compare?

I need to start tracking my results.
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Old 07-11-2017, 01:38 PM   #19321
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I think technically the closest room to you will be Inn of the Mountain Gods unless you are moving to the town of West, population 2,927.

Also, I thought the Golden Nugget Vegas ran 1/2 rather than 1/3. Winstar runs both.
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I think technically the closest room to you will be Inn of the Mountain Gods unless you are moving to the town of West, population 2,927.

Also, I thought the Golden Nugget Vegas ran 1/2 rather than 1/3. Winstar runs both.
Thanks for the info about Inn of the Mountain Gods, it is half hour closer to Midland, Tx but doesn't run 24/7 nor does it have 1/3.

GN runs 4 tables of 1/3 and 2 tables of 2/5 usually. You can buy in for the amount of the biggest stack at the table. You can also bring your entire stack when you change tables.

I have to go to Houston this weekend, so my trip to Winstar will be delayed by a week.
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Old 07-11-2017, 11:58 PM   #19323
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I feel like you are talking about Golden Nugget Lake Charles because Golden Nugget in Vegas mostly runs an uncapped 1/2 game. Anyways, if you want more info about the Winstar 1/3 game then you might be able to receive help in the Winstar thread. I do know that you can't bring your entire stack when changing tables unless your table broke.
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It is neat! Well, was. Shame they gutted the poker room.

Yes, deep 1/2 is great. I loved the 1/3 500 cap structures in Vegas. I think that is one of the greatest games imaginable.

Ok, 166 bb doesn't sound super deep, but it also doesn't play 50% bigger than 1/2 so it sorta works. Deep stack play is usually beyond the grasp of people playing the lowest stakes so that's great too. My favorite thing is missed value. When someone checks 2p on the river because they are afraid of an impossible straight. Even when i lose the pot, it's like 50bb directly into my pocket.

It is weird because I played almost exclusively 100bb cap games for almost two years and now I play usually around 300bb deep (and some crazy people buy in for 1000bb ) But the transition is going well and it's just more fun. 100bb cap there are a lot of times you can't do anything except wait for a hand. Which is fine, I won't complain about making a decent amount of money for doing something brainless. But it's not as good as making more money and playing interesting hands.
Spot on, nice post imo. This game is such a confidence booster and breath of fresh air when the average 2/5 or 5T game in Vegas is full of miserableness
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Old 07-12-2017, 06:19 AM   #19325
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the average 2/5 or 5T game in Vegas is full of miserableness
Yeah 2/5 is definitely tougher than I thought. Even during the WSOP. Might be a mistake for me to play 2/5 during the week after the WSOP. Unless I sun run then I'll probably just play it anyways.
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