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Old 06-30-2017, 01:04 PM   #19176
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Ha yes, quite the endeavor. FWIW it will (to start) only be 1,000 hands, of which im guessing he'll fold at least 70% of them. So thats good.

Really want to see his vpip/pfr/3b. But im tracking the entire hh so i can also eventually know his cbet % and other things like that as well if i want to. Also his sizing.

The script idea is interesting but im going for a more caveman approach. Just logging in my template and manually loading into excel. I'll snippet what I made this weekend if i get a chance. Hand# is rows and action follows columns.

Also yes, its quite hard logging hh real time. But made slightly easier that im not logging my own (gives me something to do as i fold 85% of my hands) and also you get pretty quick at it. Also i can skip hands as i chose (as long as i decide to skip prior to action)
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Old 06-30-2017, 01:36 PM   #19177
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Ha yes, quite the endeavor. FWIW it will (to start) only be 1,000 hands, of which im guessing he'll fold at least 70% of them. So thats good.

Really want to see his vpip/pfr/3b. But im tracking the entire hh so i can also eventually know his cbet % and other things like that as well if i want to. Also his sizing.

The script idea is interesting but im going for a more caveman approach. Just logging in my template and manually loading into excel. I'll snippet what I made this weekend if i get a chance. Hand# is rows and action follows columns.

Also yes, its quite hard logging hh real time. But made slightly easier that im not logging my own (gives me something to do as i fold 85% of my hands) and also you get pretty quick at it. Also i can skip hands as i chose (as long as i decide to skip prior to action)
This is for tracking someone else? Is he *that* good?
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Old 06-30-2017, 01:38 PM   #19178
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Well **** just record the HH in your note app and transcribe it later into excel. Eg

Khkd btn, 200 eff
Hj r12, CO calls, H calls, sb calls
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Xx30 H r75 Ff c
2c V 100 H shoves
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Old 06-30-2017, 01:51 PM   #19179
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I kinda wish we had an easy summary page to refer to, and maybe I'm just misremembering wrongly, but I'm not sure I've ever seen someone post a non-lol sample size (2000++ hours) at 10bb/hr in this thread.

Am I wrong on this?

I recall Duke posting a pretty good giraffe, but even his hadn't reached 2000 hours (if I recall). I'm guessing Squiddy would have these type of results (but I don't actually recall seeing the exact giraffe). But as much as 10bb/hr is bandied about as being a common good live winrate, it's amazing how little I actually see evidence of that (over a significant sample size) in this thread.

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hopefully should have this for you in 272 hours - unless you meant 2000 hrs all at 1 stake then never mind lol
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Old 06-30-2017, 02:18 PM   #19180
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This is for tracking someone else? Is he *that* good?
Yes.
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Old 06-30-2017, 02:37 PM   #19181
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I kinda wish we had an easy summary page to refer to, and maybe I'm just misremembering wrongly, but I'm not sure I've ever seen someone post a non-lol sample size (2000++ hours) at 10bb/hr in this thread.

Am I wrong on this?

I recall Duke posting a pretty good giraffe, but even his hadn't reached 2000 hours (if I recall). I'm guessing Squiddy would have these type of results (but I don't actually recall seeing the exact giraffe). But as much as 10bb/hr is bandied about as being a common good live winrate, it's amazing how little I actually see evidence of that (over a significant sample size) in this thread.

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Maybe not many good players with a lot of volume that post their stats ITT. How about this one though? Essentially winning over 17bbs/hr over 2200 hours. Winning over 20bbs/hr through 1453 hours of 1/2.

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In 1453 hours of $1/2, my SD is $263.68/hour and $454.94/session. Hourly = $41.82.

In 813 hours of $2/5, SD is $455.82/hour and $775.07/session. Hourly = $61.74.

Not sure what to make of those numbers other than I play tighter at $2/5 than $1/2. $2/5 sessions also average 40 min shorter than $1/2, mostly due to games breaking early.
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Old 06-30-2017, 02:56 PM   #19182
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42k after 542 hours.
Most of this is 2/5, 1K max BI (running at 15.7BB/hour over 451 hours).
Some 5/10 and 10/10 (running at 7.8BB/hour over 47 hours - I made some pretty big mistakes though, so think this should be higher).
And PLO ($48/hour over 36 hours... mix of 2/2, 5/0, 5/5)

Very pleased as this all started with a single $300 BI at 1/2 back in March.

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Old 06-30-2017, 03:15 PM   #19183
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42k after 542 hours.
Most of this is 2/5, 1K max BI (running at 15.7BB/hour over 451 hours).
Some 5/10 and 10/10 (running at 7.8BB/hour over 47 hours - I made some pretty big mistakes though, so think this should be higher).
And PLO ($48/hour over 36 hours... mix of 2/2, 5/0, 5/5)

Very pleased as this all started with a single $300 BI at 1/2 back in March.

Crusher!!! Nice work!
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Old 06-30-2017, 04:18 PM   #19184
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hopefully should have this for you in 272 hours - unless you meant 2000 hrs all at 1 stake then never mind lol
Yeah, one stake (and perhaps even broken down between 100bb max BI games versus other, which obviously really makes a difference) would be most useful.

I mean, we've seen a handful of crushing rates of 1000 hours (Donkey comes to mind recently, yours as well if I recall). Heck, even I ran at 9.44 bb/hr over my first 2000 hours at my 1/3 NL $300 max BI game (results that I now consider almost meaningless). But where are all the 10 bb/hr over some serious hours? I'm not seeing them posted here (at least that I can recall).

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Maybe not many good players with a lot of volume that post their stats ITT. How about this one though? Essentially winning over 17bbs/hr over 2200 hours. Winning over 20bbs/hr through 1453 hours of 1/2.
Oooh, I forgot about wj, yes, awesome results (wish he'd post more). Still under 2000 hours though (I mean, those 1/2 results don't even equal a single year @ professional hours), and I'm also not sure about the max BI in his game.

I mean, has one single person posted a 2000+ hour winrate of 10 bb/hr at one low stakes level (max 100bb BI?) in this thread? Maybe Squiddy?

Kinda reminds me back when I was playing lol 2/4 and 4/8 Limit and posting in the Limit Live Low Stakes forum and how everyone bounced around 2 BB/hr as a good rate. ORLY? Um, no. Not remotely close. Or show me the proof.

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Old 06-30-2017, 04:29 PM   #19185
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42k after 542 hours.
Most of this is 2/5, 1K max BI (running at 15.7BB/hour over 451 hours).
Some 5/10 and 10/10 (running at 7.8BB/hour over 47 hours - I made some pretty big mistakes though, so think this should be higher).
And PLO ($48/hour over 36 hours... mix of 2/2, 5/0, 5/5)

Very pleased as this all started with a single $300 BI at 1/2 back in March.

You should be! That's crazy nice work!
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Old 06-30-2017, 05:17 PM   #19186
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GG - the reason you don't see 2000 hour graphs at 10+ BB/hr is because it's incredibly difficult to do for a variety of reasons. Most people "move up" at a certain point so the stake they have the most hours at remains stagnant. Win rates theoretically decrease as you rise in stakes and frankly it's just damn hard to put in 2000 hours at a stake as a recreational player.

The nature of poker is people come and go. Look at the number of posters that seemingly disappear. I've noticed quite a bit of turnover at my primary room. Could those people have become enlightened and moved on from poker? Sure, possibly. But they could also be busto / tires of losing / came to the realization they were just a fish on a heater.

I've logged 3500+ hours since 2015 and realize it's a damn tough game and nothing about it comes easy. I made a really dumb comment in here in early 2016 when I said I thought poker was easy - yah it's easy when you're running good, but scrape away the variance and you are left with the eternal grind that is poker.
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Old 06-30-2017, 05:42 PM   #19187
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WJs sample size is over 2000 hours. Most people don't live in this weird Trooper/GG world of playing the smallest stakes for infinity. Players that are doing well tend to try to play bigger. I was already taking shots at 5/T within a few months of playing 2/5 full time.

In B4 "1/3 is the highest stakes regularly spread here"

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Old 06-30-2017, 06:31 PM   #19188
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42k after 542 hours.
Most of this is 2/5, 1K max BI (running at 15.7BB/hour over 451 hours).
Some 5/10 and 10/10 (running at 7.8BB/hour over 47 hours - I made some pretty big mistakes though, so think this should be higher).
And PLO ($48/hour over 36 hours... mix of 2/2, 5/0, 5/5)

Very pleased as this all started with a single $300 BI at 1/2 back in March.

Nice results 👍🏻

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Yeah, one stake (and perhaps even broken down between 100bb max BI games versus other, which obviously really makes a difference) would be most useful.

I mean, we've seen a handful of crushing rates of 1000 hours (Donkey comes to mind recently, yours as well if I recall). Heck, even I ran at 9.44 bb/hr over my first 2000 hours at my 1/3 NL $300 max BI game (results that I now consider almost meaningless). But where are all the 10 bb/hr over some serious hours? I'm not seeing them posted here (at least that I can recall).

GmemorychallengedG

Yeah I'm winning at 11.7bb/hr over 1750 hours but that's a weighted average bb/hr that includes 1/2, 1/3, 2/5, and 5/T - still got awhile to go before I hit 2k hours at a single stake. It should happen at 2/5 but not for 1.5-2 years at the rate I play (~850hrs/yr).. I will post my graph at 2k hours most likely
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Old 06-30-2017, 08:28 PM   #19189
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Alright excel gurus itt:



Im making a live hand history tracker. Yes its dumb / waste of time / meaningless sample.



My question is, looking at how a hand history is converted from pokerstars for example, how would you go about creating a matrix in excel that does something similar.



My normal shorthand looks something like this:



utgL, co $25,btn $75,utgf, coC. Flop K76ssd. CO x, BTN $80, f



Now, i am adapting it into a pre filled template.



If im tracking only my hands, how would you set this up in excel. So that each hand history reads formulaically / consistently



It might be easier if i snippet what i have so far but i dont want to corrupt ideas yet


I sent you a pm.

Here is a recent custom tracker I've been using tho.



This one is for barebones frequency tracking. Green = bet, yellow = check and red= fold.

But the app allows for a lot of custom "list making" and exports in CSV.


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Lol, so many Jimmies
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Old 07-01-2017, 04:37 AM   #19192
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Hey guys, didn't realize I had posted years ago. Well, I never quit poker - love the game too much.

Since late March, I've played around 50 hrs, and in up right under 1k. So around 10 BB/hr for a really small sample

I also just lost 460 with some pretty ****ty luck.. I flopped trips with QJ and raised this guy on the turn. He hit a 7 to complete a boat (J7). The game was too goo to leave though. Usually I try to limit myself to 300.

Somebody straddled to 5, I picked up aces in 4th position. A min raise and a call before me. I raise to 42. Minraiser calls. Guy behind him pushes for 340 (I have 210 behind) I push. Mofo has jacks and catches. And I walked out. I was stunned. But then I realize, this is poker. And I want him to make that mistake every time. True players are in for the long run and we can't sweat "variance" (yes I know it's real but I think it's over-used as a cause for bad results). Just have to focus on making good decisions. And truth is, I've been making way more good decisions than bad.

The nights I lose big, often I'm getting sucked out on pretty bad or I make a good/tough call where I am comfortably ahead but the guy's equity cashes in on the river (I notice a theme in some big lost pots is that I don't have quite enough chips to defend a hand or charge a high enough price where the equity is bad or borderline bad for villain. Will have to be more cognizant of this)

I mean a few days ago, I was like at something absurd, 25-30 BB/hr. But that's trash. It is nice to know though that as is, I'm doing ok no? 10 BB/hr over 50 hrs. Does it really mean nothing? I strive to improve. Reading blue book, watching wsop, getting more mathematical. Hope everyone is well. I'll be contributing more to the forum now that I have tapatalk. Cheers and run good
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Old 07-01-2017, 10:51 AM   #19193
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It means nothing. For example over my last 45 hours I'm winning at 52bb/hour - I also haven't had a single losing session in that time. Your post seems pretty results oriented. and fishy thinking in some ways - ie, not having enough chips to defend a hand, talking about blue book (it's bad and out of date, sorry). Not saying this to be mean - you should look into some different books, maybe get a Tommy Angelo book about the mental aspect.
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Old 07-01-2017, 02:00 PM   #19194
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I mean a few days ago, I was like at something absurd, 25-30 BB/hr. But that's trash. It is nice to know though that as is, I'm doing ok no? 10 BB/hr over 50 hrs. Does it really mean nothing?
It means absolutely nothing...which means it fits in quite well with most of the posts ITT.
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GG - the reason you don't see 2000 hour graphs at 10+ BB/hr is because it's incredibly difficult to do for a variety of reasons. Most people "move up" at a certain point so the stake they have the most hours at remains stagnant. Win rates theoretically decrease as you rise in stakes and frankly it's just damn hard to put in 2000 hours at a stake as a recreational player.

The nature of poker is people come and go. Look at the number of posters that seemingly disappear. I've noticed quite a bit of turnover at my primary room. Could those people have become enlightened and moved on from poker? Sure, possibly. But they could also be busto / tires of losing / came to the realization they were just a fish on a heater.
This is kind of the nature of *everything* people do recreationally. I've seen guys join hockey teams or softball teams and be all into it for a year or two, then fall off the face of the earth and stop playing. Poker is the same way. People lose interest or change their lifestyle and it just doesn't fit.

Then for a rec player it will take several years to log 2000+ hours. I play more than a lot of recs and I still only get about 5-600 hrs/yr. So for an 'every other week' kind of player they'll never make it to that kind of sample. But a more serious "professional" that *can* put in more time will want to move up in stakes.



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Since late March, I've played around 50 hrs, and in up right under 1k. So around 10 BB/hr for a really small sample

<snip totally standard bad beat stories>

I mean a few days ago, I was like at something absurd, 25-30 BB/hr. But that's trash. It is nice to know though that as is, I'm doing ok no? 10 BB/hr over 50 hrs. Does it really mean nothing? I strive to improve. Reading blue book, watching wsop, getting more mathematical. Hope everyone is well. I'll be contributing more to the forum now that I have tapatalk. Cheers and run good
A 50 hour sample is literally nothing. If you search for some of my other posts ITT, I've got a graph of "trailing winrate", where for every session in my log I pull the last 100 hours, calculate a winrate, and plot that value over time. It's completely noisy. +-30BB/hr easily. 50 hours will be even more swingy and worthless.

The *minimum* sample that I'd even consider looking at is 500 hours, and even that can be up and down significantly from your real skill level.
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It means absolutely nothing...which means it fits in quite well with most of the posts ITT.
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Basically, if you play recreationally you'll never really know your winrate, and your results will be strongly influenced by luck.
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Old 07-01-2017, 07:24 PM   #19199
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I'm reading some Ed Miller right now and he said at 2/5 if you're a winning but not elite player "would'nt shock him" to hear about you going on a $30k downswing. That's 6000 bbs playing live poker. WTF?
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I'm reading some Ed Miller right now and he said at 2/5 if you're a winning but not elite player "would'nt shock him" to hear about you going on a $30k downswing. That's 6000 bbs playing live poker. WTF?
All I can say is "LOL"
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