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Old 06-06-2017, 04:56 PM   #18976
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I started off at live casino poker playing 2/4 Limit, going 12-29 for -$1200 in my first 41 sessions. Not exactly sure where my breaking point would have been to give it up completely, but I'm guessing I was pretty close (maybe -$2K?).



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I once heard a priest giving a talk about his battle with various "demons". He said in spite of his various vices he didn't smoke pot but he tried it twice. First time he got an erection second time he got a terrible headache. Had it been the other way around he might still be smoking pot.



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Old 06-06-2017, 05:17 PM   #18977
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I once heard a priest giving a talk about his battle with various "demons". He said in spite of his various vices he didn't smoke pot but he tried it twice. First time he got an erection second time he got a terrible headache. Had it been the other way around he might still be smoking pot.



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Old 06-06-2017, 08:12 PM   #18978
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Old 06-06-2017, 08:55 PM   #18979
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You really can't protect your hand.
This phrase tilts me.

To put in thread context, I don't think it is possible to achieve a top win rate if "protect your hand" is a regular part of a person's vocabulary.






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Old 06-06-2017, 09:38 PM   #18980
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Shrug. We must play in very different games. I lost 700bb in 4 hands yesterday in under 45 minutes. Obv lol variance, I got it in >70% to win all 4, but people must just stack off lighter here.


I need both hands and both feet to count the number of times I've bought in for min 600bb into a game. Some of the games are uncapped and some are 200bb but I rarely buy in for more than 200bb at uncapped anyway.

I've had sessions bigger won and lost in bb than what sounds like lost players downswings itt.




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Old 06-06-2017, 09:40 PM   #18981
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Yeah, and that great pearl of wisdom helped convince his good buddy Trooper that he was just running bad when he lost $8k+ over a 15 month period playing 1/2.


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Old 06-06-2017, 09:45 PM   #18982
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If you play those 30 hours strictly on the weekend your winrate is going to be a lot higher. The $200 is the smallest game in LA with a beatable structure for money that will actually help you build up a roll. Your plan should be to win until you can take shots at any of the bigger games at comm bike the gardens or Hollywood park not to grind this game for the long term.

Basically in that game you should only play when many tables are running and it's super easy to bumhunt because the structure caps your winrate otherwise unless you have people dumping at your table. If the dealer isn't shouting chips every down it's a bad table.
Yeh my game is best suited for playing against the wknd warriors. I'm going to try and be more particular about table selection. I'm probably missing out by just planting myself. I think part of it is after about a hour ow two I am sometimes reluctant to leave bc I've spent a lot of time figuring people out but that's probably less useful than a few guys spewing their chips.

Out of commerce, gardens, or HP which place you like the best?

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Old 06-06-2017, 10:27 PM   #18983
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You think guys like Matt Berkey and Gman are just sunrunners that caught the good end of variance in live poker? GTFO of here with that bull****. Those guys busted their ass hard to get where to where they are at. Way harder than you or me.
Very kind words, ty.
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Old 06-07-2017, 11:02 AM   #18984
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This phrase tilts me.

To put in thread context, I don't think it is possible to achieve a top win rate if "protect your hand" is a regular part of a person's vocabulary.
There are plenty of spots where betting to fold out equity that cannot call your bet is the higher EV play then checking, even when the only hands that call your bet have 50%+ equity vs you. So I think you're mistaken here.
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Old 06-07-2017, 11:20 AM   #18985
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There are plenty of spots where betting to fold out equity that cannot call your bet is the higher EV play then checking, even when the only hands that call your bet have 50%+ equity vs you. So I think you're mistaken here.
Agree. Protect your equity can be a +EV concept when applied in appropriate spots.

Everytime I hear "protect your hand", it is in the context of people betting and getting called by worse that then sucks out on later streets. Almost without exception, better is lamenting not being able to get that worse hand to fold.





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Old 06-07-2017, 12:48 PM   #18986
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There are plenty of spots where betting to fold out equity that cannot call your bet is the higher EV play then checking, even when the only hands that call your bet have 50%+ equity vs you. So I think you're mistaken here.


It's still just a value bet tho. Just semantics tho I guess


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Old 06-07-2017, 01:32 PM   #18987
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It's still just a value bet tho. Just semantics tho I guess


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Value bet vs bluff binary is an incorrect way to look at betting. It's more of a spectrum
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Old 06-07-2017, 02:40 PM   #18988
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Old 06-07-2017, 03:13 PM   #18989
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Old 06-07-2017, 03:20 PM   #18990
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Realistically we bet for 3 reasons:

for value,
as a bluff,
to protect our equity

That's it. Unless anyone can come up with something else...
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Old 06-07-2017, 03:32 PM   #18991
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^ "to see where we are at." Ldo
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Old 06-07-2017, 04:00 PM   #18992
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Lullz...i suppose it's all just semantics but "betting to protect our equity" is just value betting no?
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Old 06-07-2017, 04:18 PM   #18993
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Realistically we bet for 3 reasons:

for value,
as a bluff,
to protect our equity

That's it. Unless anyone can come up with something else...
There are spots where we should bet the river OOP with what is usually the best hand despite having <50% equity when called in order to prevent a profitable betting opportunity for the opponent. It's not really a bluff because we have the best hand most of the time. It's not really value because we lose money by strengthening the opponent's range and inflating the pot relative to taking an immediate showdown (but this is not possible OOP) Maybe you could say we are protecting our showdown equity.
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Old 06-07-2017, 05:00 PM   #18994
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Realistically we bet for 3 reasons:

for value,
as a bluff,
to protect our equity

That's it. Unless anyone can come up with something else...


More recently I've adopted the more fundamental view that We bet for 2 reasons. To deny equity to our opponent and to make the pot bigger in case we win. Many good bets will frequently accomplish both of these objectives to varying degrees.

Janda put it this way about a year ago in his applications thread and I really liked it. While it may be semantics it is a far less compartmentalized way of looking at it. His new book uses this approach exclusively to determine when to bet and to evaluate sizing.


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Old 06-07-2017, 05:21 PM   #18995
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Realistically we bet for 3 reasons:

for value,
as a bluff,
to protect our equity

That's it. Unless anyone can come up with something else...


I also bet

Bc I'm drunk
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Old 06-07-2017, 06:57 PM   #18996
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Realistically we bet for 3 reasons:

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That's it. Unless anyone can come up with something else...
Or, more simply put don't we ONLY bet for value? Bluffing and protecting equity are just variants of that, are they not?
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Old 06-07-2017, 07:18 PM   #18997
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OK, I'll be less subtle about it than IRTM was. Next* post ITT that is about strategy of individual hands/bets will eat an infraction and a temp-ban from this thread.

This thread is for WR, BR and Finances only. It is not a general strat thread. Feel free to start a "Why to bet" thread in this forum, or bump an old one, but this thread isn't it.

*assuming that it's long enough that you should have read this warning and not so long that I legitimately thik you might have forgotten about this warning.
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Old 06-08-2017, 04:09 PM   #18998
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Hi guys, long time lurker.

First 1k hours of the pokers.

480 hours of 2/5 (99% of my volume in 2017 has been here)
440 hours of 1/2
25 hours 1/3
roughly 100 hours spread across 1/1 homegames & mixed games.

Funny how the pokers work....I felt I was playing atleast decent-good during my "downswings" but had to climb out and have been running MUCH better.

hopefully i get some giraffe rungood continuing. Keep it up all!
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Old 06-08-2017, 04:39 PM   #18999
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If you think I am clicking a link with the first 3 letters prn you are outcho head boy. Try tiny pic url imo
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Good call....seems sketchy



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http://prntscr.com/fhjrc9

Hi guys, long time lurker.

First 1k hours of the pokers.

480 hours of 2/5 (99% of my volume in 2017 has been here)
440 hours of 1/2
25 hours 1/3
roughly 100 hours spread across 1/1 homegames & mixed games.

Funny how the pokers work....I felt I was playing atleast decent-good during my "downswings" but had to climb out and have been running MUCH better.

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