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[OFFICIAL] Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr

Less than 0 (losing)

5 6.41%

0-2.5

0 0%

2.5-5

6 7.69%

5-7.5

8 10.26%

7.5-10

15 19.23%

10+

26 33.33%

Not enough sample size/I don't know

18 23.08%

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06-01-2017 , 10:41 AM

#18876

MIB211

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,010

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Originally Posted by philfan05

In my experience, being in a really deep $1/3 and $2/5 game is actually not as great as it sounds. A lot of players get really tight when they are 200BB+ deep and are just looking for coolers. I honestly think a huge portion of my winrate comes from people who get short and get impatient and shove 50BB with AJ or top pair because they are tired of folding and that's the best hand they've seen in an hour.

Contrary to my prior posts, I experienced this for the first time last night. The two biggest fish in my game both got very, very deep (well over $1,000 in 1/2). One of them actually played much tighter and much better than he does when short. The other continued to play their customary terrible game and would've donked it off at some point if he hadn't left.

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06-01-2017 , 12:21 PM

#18877

gobbledygeek

Poet Laureate of LLSNL

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36,143

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Originally Posted by Randinho

Yes, you can actually. I found this out by accident playing at Showboat in AC in 2009 IIRC. I was about 1100 deep in 1/2 or 1/3, whatever the game was. My table broke and I was forced to move. Not by choice I ended up at a table with no stacks higher than 400 and found out that a room rule was if you were moving from a broken game you could only come in with as high a stack as was currently on the table. I had to leave my additional 700 off the table which is definitely not what I wanted, but if I were attempting a rathole it would be the ideal legal solution in that particular room.

Yeah, some rooms have rules like that, which makes it legal to literally rathole.

But even in rooms that don't have that rule (ex. in my room you must bring *all* your chips to another table of the same stake), you can still "effectively" rathole by simply moving to a table where all the stacks are way smaller than yours.

GcluelessratholingnoobG

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06-01-2017 , 12:37 PM

#18878

Rolltide122150

newbie

Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 23

Very swingy May results...Started crushing 1/2, had a few winning 2/5 sessions, then a major slump...

As I'm just getting back into regular play from a few years ago, I had a few questions...

For the $2/$5 players winning $25-$30+ hour over a large sample size...(rough guestimates are still helpful)

A) What % of sessions are winning?
B) What is your average buy-in (that is, including reloads)
C) How long is your average session?

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06-01-2017 , 12:45 PM

#18879

Dizzyqtp

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 7,382

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

my casino is (unfortunately) the exact opposite - can't bring more than table max when switching tables unless your are coming from a broken game.

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Originally Posted by Rolltide122150

Specifically 2/5 lifetime (stats are actually consistent across all stakes
though):

A) 56%
B) $1000
C) 5 hours

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06-01-2017 , 02:25 PM

#18880

OvertlySexual

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Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 2,093

The higher the average session, the higher the percentage of sessions won is going to be. All of this of course is going to depend on how big of a winner you are.

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06-01-2017 , 02:56 PM

#18881

MikeStarr

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Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 7,962

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolltide122150

Very swingy May results...Started crushing 1/2, had a few winning 2/5 sessions, then a major slump...

1) 73%
2) Not sure what this means. If I buy for $500 today and buy for $500 twice tomorrow, do you mean my avg buy in is $750?
In any case, I guess I turned that off in my app cuz I dont see it.
3) 4 hrs and 9 mins

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06-01-2017 , 03:02 PM

#18882

Ranma4703

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Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,099

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolltide122150

60% winning
1096 avg buyin
5 hours, 9 minutes

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06-01-2017 , 04:24 PM

#18883

Tiltyjoker

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,608

That's funny seeing the avg time. I thought my 5 hr avg session was super low. 62% Wins

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06-01-2017 , 05:31 PM

#18884

gobbledygeek

Poet Laureate of LLSNL

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36,143

1/3 NL, 431 sessions, average ~8 hours / session, 65.9% session winrate, 100bb BI

GwhateverG

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06-01-2017 , 07:35 PM

#18885

nicname

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 647

326 sessions (1600 hrs) of 1/3 at my main casino (basically all I play)
9.1 BB/ hr
Win % = 66%
Avg length 4h 56m
How much am I usually in for? I dunno, I buy in full and top up a lot.

I dunno if this makes a difference for your question, but I haven't played premium hours (Thu-Sun evenings) for about a year. Most of my time comes from weekday mornings and some weekday evenings/ late-nights.

Last edited by nicname; 06-01-2017 at 07:42 PM.

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06-01-2017 , 07:47 PM

#18886

DK Barrel

Concept of the Week author

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 6,797

What's the benefit to tracking your buyin? I've never done it, only profit/loss. I guess it tells you if it's a good idea for you to keep playing when you are stuck mountains or not?

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06-01-2017 , 10:26 PM

#18887

pocketzeroes

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,334

Sample's still a bit small since I started logging...
For 2/5 only - 34 winning, 17 losing (67%). 7 hour 5 min avg. ~$1400 BI including reloads (I often top off a few hundred when I'm down; I seem to start too many sessions in the hole, but nonetheless end with a winning session).

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06-01-2017 , 11:15 PM

#18888

Avaritia

Confirmed 2500 hour haver

Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 12,248

Quote:

Originally Posted by DK Barrel

What's the benefit to tracking your buyin? I've never done it, only profit/loss. I guess it tells you if it's a good idea for you to keep playing when you are stuck mountains or not?

I think it has slightly more merit than session win % which I find pretty meaningless imo.

I bet if I track every 3 buy in session I'll see every 3 buy in loss. Lol

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06-02-2017 , 12:35 AM

#18889

pocketzeroes

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketzeroes

Also, currently running at 14BBs ($69.86)/hour over this sample (361 hours). My variance is pretty high though at $597 Std dev/hour. Winrate $/hour similar for other games combined over 60 hours (including other NLHE stakes and some PLO).

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06-02-2017 , 08:30 AM

#18890

soxfan43

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 219

I was hoping to book one more session in May but that didn't happen. I'll take another + month for 5 straight! I don't have a fancy giraffe like you guys, but numbers are numbers.

May: 94.68 hours for +$4136 (included a -$3200 swing yuck)
YTD: 587 hours for +$21138

That puts me in the 7-9 BB per hour range. Mostly $2/5 with some $1/2 and $5/10 sprinkled in. I think I've run +EV so far this year, so I'm only cautiously optimistic.

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06-02-2017 , 09:03 AM

#18891

MikeStarr

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 7,962

I avg about 130 hrs / month but played more in May due to having nothing much going on family wise.

149.5 hrs
+$6115

I had my 2nd worst downswing ever which was -$3000. About 1/2 of that was sub par overaggro play and the other 1/2 coolers, missing every flop ect. It quickly turned around though.

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06-02-2017 , 02:29 PM

#18892

soxfan43

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 219

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeStarr

Solid month

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06-02-2017 , 02:36 PM

#18893

homerdash

banned

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,062

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeStarr

i miss that buffet, in a couple of ways

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06-02-2017 , 03:26 PM

#18894

johnnyBuz

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr

I avg about 130 hrs / month but played more in May due to having nothing much going on family wise.

149.5 hrs
+$6115

I had my 2nd worst downswing ever which was -$3000. About 1/2 of that was sub par overaggro play and the other 1/2 coolers, missing every flop ect. It quickly turned around though.

This is not a downswing.

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06-02-2017 , 03:41 PM

#18895

rakeme

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Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 6,715

Is a downswing classified as how much you're down from your highest bankroll point? Or is it only consecutive losing sessions? i.e. Say you went from $2,000 to $4,000 with winning and losing sessions mixed in, is that a 2k upswing? And if you then went from that $4,000 high point down to $2,500, with winning and losing sessions mixed in, that would be a $1,500 downswing even though you're still up $500 net?

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06-02-2017 , 03:46 PM

#18896

pocketzeroes

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,334

Quote:

Originally Posted by rakeme

Yeah, I'd call an upswing going from some local minima to a maximum (i.e., the last session before an upswing starts was a losing session)... And a downswing going from a maximum to a local minima (the session after a downswing ends is a winning session, and we never get to the low point again)...

So yes, both can have winning and losing sessions.

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06-02-2017 , 04:34 PM

#18897

MikeStarr

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Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 7,962

Quote:

Originally Posted by homerdash

i miss that buffet, in a couple of ways

Best "non Vegas" buffet Ive ever had. Not sure what the other way is though.

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06-02-2017 , 05:35 PM

#18898

iraisetoomuch

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Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 37,493

Mike, you play 2/5 and you're saying that 600b is the 2nd largest downswing you've ever had?

That seems.. unrealistic.

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06-02-2017 , 05:37 PM

#18899

homerdash

banned

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,062

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeStarr

Best "non Vegas" buffet Ive ever had. Not sure what the other way is though.

the 2/5 lineups here are more like a prison cafeteria than a buffet

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06-02-2017 , 05:57 PM

#18900

gobbledygeek

Poet Laureate of LLSNL

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36,143

Quote:

Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch

Mike, you play 2/5 and you're saying that 600b is the 2nd largest downswing you've ever had?

That seems.. unrealistic.

I've only had two downswings greater than ~600bbs in 1/3 NL in 3420.5 hours (and I think about 3 more that hovered around ~500bbs), and it took me about ~1800 hours to have the first of those. Course I'm guessing I play in a smaller BI game (maybe?) and probably play a nittier low variance style.

Gnotimpossible,imoG

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