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Old 05-26-2017, 02:15 PM   #18851
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Here's my graph of the last 6 or so years of live play, not many hours and half were in the last year or so (running hot makes it easy to play a lot)

Mostly 2/5, some 1/3 and 5/10 NLH, some 1/2 and 5/5 PLO
Looks like this got lost in the most recent discussion. Very nice results man


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As I've stated before (can't recall if it's this thread or another one?) it has zero to do with my image. It's not that I don't see people stacking off 300+bb (or even 200bb+) stacks to me (which with my nit image would be perfectly fair enough): it's that I don't see it *at all* between *anybody* (other than hands involving mega maniacs).

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I wasn't even necessarily talking about getting in 300bb+ stacks light this time; I thought the discussion was more between buying in for 70-100bb vs 150-200bb
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Old 05-26-2017, 02:54 PM   #18852
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Yall realize how difficult it is to make a good hand right?

If somebody is deep and playing nitty, your biggest exploit is to way over bluff them.
You can't bluff someone who won't put $ in the pot. that was my point.
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Old 05-26-2017, 04:58 PM   #18853
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You can't bluff someone who won't put $ in the pot. that was my point.
You can win a lot of small pots. At the very least you can win the blinds often (which adds up, but you dont notice.

Most games are loose preflop, and if they never stack off light postflop, you can barrel literally non stop and win at a crazy rate, until they adjust. These are probably the easiest type of game because blind aggression just works (with some common sense)
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Old 05-29-2017, 07:45 AM   #18854
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Quick update: I actually sat down at the 1/1 tables and discovered that rake isn't as bad as I thought. It is 10% but capped at £5 not £10. The small pots are more expensive than 1/2 but you actually save some rake on any pot over £100.

There aren't as many deepstacks as at 1/2 and they aren't as tricky. I can therefore sit deep after I double up or more and keep picking off 50-100bb stacks without needing to table change too often.

After two sessions totalling 12 hours I've won £643 so the vast bulk of what I lost in my last 1/2 session is back in my BR though sone judicious table selectionary and a good bit of run-hot. Roll feels much more comfortable in the 1/1 game. I feel I have space to make mistakes and learn from them now without busting out and my game is already better for it.

Roll: £2,585
Buyins @ £70 for 1/1: 36.9
Buying @ £140 for 1/2: 18.5
Total time played at 1/2 and 1/1: 108hrs
Win rate: £24/hr

So thanks again all of you for helping get me refocused on what's important. I honestly think if I hadn't sought and received good feedback on here I'd have quickly blown the rest of my roll trying to take on deepstack regs in the 1/2 game.

Hope you've all had a good weekend too.
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Old 05-29-2017, 07:50 AM   #18855
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Excellent news Ragequit, happy for you and good news on the latest update. Seems from what youre telling us that you have popped on a lightbulb or 3, and thats nice to see Keep it up and focus on the right things, and both your game and your roll will grow.

And dont worry at all: the time to take on the 1/2 deepstack regs will come. But do it when it feels natural and the time is right- and from my point of view+ experience you will know deep down when the time is there to take the step.
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Old 05-29-2017, 02:05 PM   #18856
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Looks like this got lost in the most recent discussion. Very nice results man
Thanks! Though I'm a lady


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I wasn't even necessarily talking about getting in 300bb+ stacks light this time; I thought the discussion was more between buying in for 70-100bb vs 150-200bb
(jumping in on the general 300bb stackoff light discussion)
The buyin for my game is 200bb and I make so much money 300bb deep - some random examples, had a guy jam 800 into a 1600 pot with a low overpair trying to get me to fold my overpair after calling me down to the river, the 900bb pot I won 3 ways with top set versus two overpairs, the hand I posted last week where a guy bets $420 into $1600 with 89o on K72TT (I lost this one cause I folded but I was far at the bottom of the range and am able to call enough that I consider the hand a win).

It is super standard to see good players in my 2/5 game go for 3 streets / 200bb all in in 3bet pots with overpairs, and they get paid and win usually.
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Old 05-29-2017, 07:02 PM   #18857
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(jumping in on the general 300bb stackoff light discussion)
The buyin for my game is 200bb and I make so much money 300bb deep - some random examples, had a guy jam 800 into a 1600 pot with a low overpair trying to get me to fold my overpair after calling me down to the river, the 900bb pot I won 3 ways with top set versus two overpairs, the hand I posted last week where a guy bets $420 into $1600 with 89o on K72TT (I lost this one cause I folded but I was far at the bottom of the range and am able to call enough that I consider the hand a win).

It is super standard to see good players in my 2/5 game go for 3 streets / 200bb all in in 3bet pots with overpairs, and they get paid and win usually.
Where do you play?

Not that I will go there, just curious
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Old 05-30-2017, 08:33 AM   #18858
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i'll get May results started

funny thing is i switched back to Poker Income and had my best winning month in awhile

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Old 05-30-2017, 09:00 AM   #18859
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I have $2440 of all my savings at current moment. Do i buy in 100bb or max 250bb if in case I dropped 5bi then I stop? 1/2 live game btw, consider myself TAG player. A night I can win up to $570, two nights I could lose $200+500 , in some sense value bet too thin against loose fish, and he shown me 2 pair

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Old 05-30-2017, 09:12 AM   #18860
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In your case easily 100bb.

Your bankroll is not all the money you have. It's all the money you can lose and not be affected. If you only have $2400 and buy in for $500, then if you drop to $500 you will be afraid to gamble because you're on your last buyin, and then at $1000 you will be afraid because if you lose just one more buyin you'll be on your last one, and so on.

Basically, you have less money than you think.
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Old 05-30-2017, 09:34 AM   #18861
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In your case easily 100bb.

Basically, you have less money than you think.
With 100bb we can overbet n not afraid of losing 1bi denying villain equity while with 250bb holding AK u may not know what to do against a 4b. Is that what u mean?

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Old 05-30-2017, 09:47 AM   #18862
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With 100bb we can overbet n not afraid of losing 1bi denying villain equity while with 250bb holding AK u may not know what to do against a 4b. Is that what u mean?

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Kind of. But there are much more common spots than that, where the clearly most profitable line is also risky. Not worrying about money is really important in poker.

Here's a hand I played a couple of weeks ago as an example.

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V - loose, wild player. Raising about 30%, rarely folding to 3bets, piling in money postflop as light as 2nd pair. $1000 effective.

Straddled $10, V raises $30, 1 call, Hero raises $140 with KK, V calls

Flop T88 ($320)

V bets $150
Usually this is an easy flop raise and turn shove because I don't think this player folds Tx. Maybe they even get sticky with a pocket pair. Sure he has 8x some of the time and I get stacked but it's still a clear value raise.

But as it happens I did not bring a full clip to the poker room that day and had already lost my first buyin. I was playing with the last of my pocket money and I'd have to leave this great game if I busted.

So I took a really passive line and left a few hundred dollars in value behind. Because I couldn't afford to lose, I lost money. Don't do that.
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Old 05-30-2017, 09:52 AM   #18863
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Kind of. But there are much more common spots than that, where the clearly most profitable line is also risky. Not worrying about money is really important in poker.

Because I couldn't afford to lose, I lost money. Don't do that.
With your example, kinda similar. I have tried folding 99 on btn with a loose player lead out on QQx board. Later he told me he didn't have a nine.

You got a point. But often times, do u see a decent player lead out on trips' board speculating u might have an overpair


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Old 05-30-2017, 09:53 AM   #18864
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Where do you play?

Not that I will go there, just curious
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Old 05-30-2017, 10:33 AM   #18865
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I have $2440 of all my savings at current moment. Do i buy in 100bb or max 250bb if in case I dropped 5bi then I stop? 1/2 live game btw, consider myself TAG player. A night I can win up to $570, two nights I could lose $200+500 , in some sense value bet too thin against loose fish, and he shown me 2 pair

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Aditionally from what DK pointed out, i would like to add that 2400$ roll is alot more vulnerable than you may think it is. Its 12 buyins aka 200$ each for 100 BB, and if you go on a bad run and things start to go against you the buyins can go pretty fast out the window- wich also have some effects on your mental state (may cause you to play worse and lose even more prolonging the "downswing").

Keep buyin in for 100 BB until you have an even bigger more comfortable roll imo.
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Old 05-30-2017, 12:23 PM   #18866
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i'll get May results started

funny thing is i switched back to Poker Income and had my best winning month in awhile

Nice May results Homer. ETA: Wow, just noticed the hit-and-run average length of your sessions; < 2 hours!?!?!

I decided to sunrun in May when I switched to my new-and-improved-uber-nit style, losing my first session of the month but then winning the last seven.

~703 bbs over ~50 hours for ~14 bbs/hr.

Most people would probably attribute it to a change in their method, but I'm not that naive and realize any change is unlikely to make any giraffe dent for hundreds (thousands?) of hours. Just ran well.

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Old 05-30-2017, 01:24 PM   #18867
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well at MDL these days there is rarely a legit list for 1/2 so i tend to just play more shorter sessions in the same day instead of one long one with breaks, also allows one to get into newly firing games in the evening which are typically 9 recs and me

also some casino/stake hopping. Win at MDL 1/2, go play MGM or Shoe 1/3. Win at MGM 1/3, go play MDL 1/3. Lose at 1/3, move back to 1/2.
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Old 05-30-2017, 06:23 PM   #18868
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Hit 500 hours so far this year (i usually only play weekends). Mostly 2/5, some 5/10, and a few 10/20. Regressing towards the mean it looks like.... hopefully the graph doesnt jump off the cliff the next 500 hours heh .



Almost jinxed myself. Pretty ridiculous 3 session heater to recover most of it.
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Old 05-30-2017, 08:37 PM   #18869
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Those arrows tho
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Old 05-30-2017, 08:53 PM   #18870
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well at MDL these days there is rarely a legit list for 1/2 so i tend to just play more shorter sessions in the same day instead of one long one with breaks, also allows one to get into newly firing games in the evening which are typically 9 recs and me

also some casino/stake hopping. Win at MDL 1/2, go play MGM or Shoe 1/3. Win at MGM 1/3, go play MDL 1/3. Lose at 1/3, move back to 1/2.
Casino hopping is generally pretty bad unless the games at spot A are just really bad and the games at B are known to be good / you can get a seat quickly.

There is an opportunity cost of leaving a game to go try and find a better game, esp when you factor in the times that game B isn't actually better than game A.

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Casino hopping is generally pretty bad unless the games at spot A are just really bad and the games at B are known to be good / you can get a seat quickly.



There is an opportunity cost of leaving a game to go try and find a better game, esp when you factor in the times that game B isn't actually better than game A.



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i'd agree if strictly talking about game 'quality' but the 4 specific games i mentioned aren't really the same even though the small blind is $1 in each
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Old 05-30-2017, 09:56 PM   #18872
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Taking a break can be quite advantageous for some players. Also, changing games can be a nice mental reset.
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I may come off as arrogant with this, but its just the way it is. The more i play the more i realize how few leaks i have compared to my villains, and how much i know about relevant pokerknowledge compared to them. Not to mention the ability to adjust, and exploit the live game setting for each individual villain alongside the constantly ongoing dynamics each game. And it shows in my winrate also, been crushing for the last 1000 hours at 12 BB hour steady rate. My longtime dream is to play fulltime on the westcoast, either Las Vegas or LA (or a mix of both), and i am closer to achieving that dream than ever before as my roll have been growing steadily.

Its not very strange either as most of my opponents never work on their game seriously. They watch a Doug Polk video here and there or a session from Pokernight in America, but thats it. They have mental leaks, they tilt off buyins, they get bored and make light stackoffs they shoudnt and so on.

I have a couple of good friends who are also solid winning players (in the same games i sit in) wich i routinely debate with about spesific hands,strategy approaches and ways to exploit certain players- and i cant state how important that is for honing your game. You can have blindspots kind of leaks that you arent really aware of, that other players can help you to be aware of- so you in the next chapter are able to work on those leaks. If you have leaks/sweet spots/weak links you dont know about, you certainly arent in a position to fix it either.You just cant fix a problem you dont know excist. This is a huge trap i see for many players, really huge.
Where do you play now? Vegas isn't as soft as most people think. LA is soft but living expenses is not.
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Taking a break can be quite advantageous for some players. Also, changing games can be a nice mental reset.
The weird thing is, when I take a break, I legit forget how to play poker. My sizing especially is just really, really bad when I take long breaks and I make bad folds and worse check/calls. But if I play like a consistent 100 hours in a month, the following month I'll be 100% A-game.

I know they say use it or lose it but it's just weird how bad I become after a few months off. Also, years ago when I was hardcore grinding, I was playing at a much higher level than I am now. I knew alot of tricks and thought about live poker at a much higher level than I do now.
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I just meant in regards to the breaks that Homer is taking while hopping from casino to casino.
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