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Old 05-17-2017, 10:42 PM   #18751
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nah, thats how I play poker

1) No set, no bet
2) You can't lose what you don't put in the middle

Those are the sentiments to which I abide by.
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Old 05-17-2017, 10:51 PM   #18752
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But you can't win anything either.
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Old 05-17-2017, 11:11 PM   #18753
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Poker can be thought of as trying to break even for 8 hours waiting for that one cooler that triples you up.

So yeah, don't read much into it.
You are playing super suboptimally. Pretty sure the YGO national champ I know doesn't play that bad.

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Old 05-17-2017, 11:20 PM   #18754
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You are playing super suboptimally. Pretty sure the YGO national champ I know doesn't play that bad.

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Old 05-18-2017, 11:33 AM   #18755
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For 2017 I'm up about 9bb/hour (about $9400) over 200 hours (an admittedly small sample). But $7500 of that came in two sessions representing 14 hours. So 80% of my winnings came in less than 10% of my hours played. Is that unusual and does it say anything about my game and the variance I may be experiencing?
This is very similar to my whole 2016, where ~80% of my winnings came in just ~10% of my sessions, over 540 hours (I posted about it earlier in this thread, most likely at the beginning of 2017).

I've convinced myself it's just statistical noise (poker doesn't keep track of whether you go thru stretches of winning a small to medium amount consistently session after session versus this way, which both end up in the exact same winrate). Although at the same time I've yet to book a big (300bb+) winning session in 2017 (and never had a single big winning session in 2015) and that was reflected in the very poor winrates (although I'm still convinced it's just noise).

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Old 05-18-2017, 11:46 AM   #18756
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This is very similar to my whole 2016, where ~80% of my winnings came in just ~10% of my sessions, over 540 hours (I posted about it earlier in this thread, most likely at the beginning of 2017).

I've convinced myself it's just statistical noise (poker doesn't keep track of whether you go thru stretches of winning a small to medium amount consistently session after session versus this way, which both end up in the exact same winrate). Although at the same time I've yet to book a big (300bb+) winning session in 2017 (and never had a single big winning session in 2015) and that was reflected in the very poor winrates (although I'm still convinced it's just noise).

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GG- you ubernitty playing style, and uncomfortable feelings about playing really deep i would suppose have som effects on your lack of huge plus sessions with 300 BB or more wins. Youre for sure aware of this, just pointing it out when you bring up the issue.

As i started to get more comfortable with my deepstackplay (and more fearless in many spots,not afraid to put a 200-300 BB stack at risk without the nutz) i experienced a significant effect on the amount of big winning sessions.
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Old 05-18-2017, 12:12 PM   #18757
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I don't keep track of how I accumulated all my big 300bb+ wins over my 3382 hours to date, but my guess is that they had absolutely nothing to do with deepstack, and were more likely a $150 win here, a $200 win there, a $100 win there, and so on, with no significant losses, that added up significantly over a 8+ hour session. As I've noted before, my game simply doesn't see anyone putting in 200bb-300bb stacks hardly ever (not just me, *anyone*).

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Old 05-18-2017, 12:29 PM   #18758
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Poker can be thought of as trying to break even for 8 hours waiting for that one cooler that triples you up.

So yeah, don't read much into it.
It's definitely like this for plo. And to some extent it's like this in nl if you are playing in pretty good games.

Replace "cooler" with "what for me would be a sigh fold, but for the rest of the table would be a non-foldable cooler"
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Old 05-18-2017, 12:38 PM   #18759
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Replace "cooler" with "what for me would be a sigh fold, but for the rest of the table would be a non-foldable cooler"
Lol, last session out I saw two hands that I would have *easily* sigh mucked if I was in the hand against the particular opponent (a well known passive uber nit sitting <= 100bbs effective). One involved AA vs KK preflop (tight EP guy raises with TT, KK 3 bets, AA cold 4bets). The other involved a flopped set over set (Q42r flop in a limped pot, moron 53 OESD donks, QQ flats, 22 raises, 53 shoves, QQ shoves).

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Old 05-18-2017, 04:14 PM   #18760
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I don't understand how you guys are getting $30/night at harrahs or anywhere for that matter. Everything is 80/day average or more if you are staying weekends also.
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Old 05-18-2017, 04:27 PM   #18761
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Comps man, comps. I don't get particularly good rates on the weekends, but during the week it's dirt cheap. They advertise $30/night, but I usually can get Mon-Wed free. Weekends are more, holidays are more, of course.

And that's all from merely having the Total Rewards Credit card and using it for day to day purchases. No table games BS.


I'd say from looking at my graph that a large portion of the time spent is roughly break even or grinding a slow profit. There's some winning, some losing, and a lot of blinds being paid. Then there are the runs were we get into good spots and exploit them, winning a bunch of money/BB quickly. When we think about the hands we win and lose, this kind of makes sense. We should be folding a lot of trash in EP and from the blinds, winning a lot of small pots to make up for that, and then larger pots should be rarer. We only get a large pot when both we and our opponent get something we're willing to pile a lot of money in with. In most games without maniacs that should be somewhat rare.
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Old 05-18-2017, 04:31 PM   #18762
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Maybe a good plan is to play 72 hour sessions over weekends and only book hotels over weekdays.

No but seriously, for people who are staying in vegas over 3 week periods or more, it's just deceptive I feel to suggest it being possible to get it under 100/day after tax and fees at any reasonable hotel I think, though hopefully someone can correct me and show me the light.
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Old 05-18-2017, 05:46 PM   #18763
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3 weeks is a much longer trip and incurs a bit more cost any way you cut it. At that point you're really looking to chop the trip with someone else.
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Old 05-18-2017, 05:57 PM   #18764
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No, im not looking to chop the trip with somebody else just because its longer.

At that point I'm looking to get an AirBnB for half the price of a hotel
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Old 05-18-2017, 06:10 PM   #18765
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This is very similar to my whole 2016, where ~80% of my winnings came in just ~10% of my sessions, over 540 hours (I posted about it earlier in this thread, most likely at the beginning of 2017).

I've convinced myself it's just statistical noise
It's a mathematical inevitability of gambling. You will accumulate wins and losses and most of them will cancel out and the entirety of your win or loss will "come from" the outliers on one side.

Like a blackjack loser will see the same thing - the entirety of his loss will come from a few terrible sessions, because basically everything else cancels out.
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Old 05-18-2017, 06:13 PM   #18766
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Pareto Principle for $1000, Trebek.
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Old 05-18-2017, 06:41 PM   #18767
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Yeah same with most winnings coming from AA even though the other hands obviously matter a lot.

Airbnb is what I'm looking at yeah but I was hoping to eat at tgifridays every day like last time I stayed at Gold Coast.
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Old 05-18-2017, 11:27 PM   #18768
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Downswing

Can someone tell me what the biggest downswing they've went threw in a 1-2,1-3 game at one time was. Thank you for your responses !


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Old 05-19-2017, 12:30 AM   #18769
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Almost exactly $2500 in a 1/3 100-300 with MS straddle
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Old 05-19-2017, 01:05 AM   #18770
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What's a downswing?

Jk, but seriously, are we talking like consecutive losing sessions or period of time where overall results continued to go down?


I'll answer both:

Largest/ longest consecutive losing streak = 6 losing sessions for -$2,765 all 1/3



Largest TLDR:the second one - -$3,825 over 20 days/ 70h 49 m.



Longest break-even stretch - I made $73 in 247 hours of poker from Dec 19, 2015 to May 20, 2016. 57 sessions total.

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Old 05-19-2017, 01:13 AM   #18771
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-$1300 in 1/2 live
2 sessions. Downswing because making bad decisions & didn't hit flush. I think if u play tight preflop, u can save a lot of money from reverse implied odds situation.

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Old 05-19-2017, 01:17 AM   #18772
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Also, should prob be merged with wins, br, finance.
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:22 AM   #18773
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Around 5k, in a deep buyin setting.
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:40 AM   #18774
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my biggest downswings back when I played 1/2 were ~2k each
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:01 AM   #18775
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2016-Present


Just 2017
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