Ok so it's a profitable vacation. Doesn't make it more profitable than not going.

Like I said, I've done the same thing plenty of times and had a blast as well. I just stopped telling myself I was going to make money when I went on a one week trip or whatever.

Cripes, last time I went to Vegas it cost me like $90 just to park my car at my home airport. So like 30 hours at this years awesome winrate and I haven't even stepped foot on the plane yet.

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It costs me under $10 for an Uber trip to the airport.

Have you ever lived in the midwest? I'll take any excuse I can to get the hell out of here for a while.

Fish. Don't you have a sucker friend that'll give you a free ride to the airport?.

Yep, I lived in Sioux City, IA, Le Mars, IA and Davenport, IA. I also lived a year in Gainesville, TX which is pretty much like every population 15k Midwest town. I think living in the Midwest is all the excuse you need to visit Vegas.

Actually, in the past I've normally gotten rides to the airport but with an Uber ride costing under $10 it's really hard for me to justify.

That's part of the misunderstanding.

If you loose 5 win one loose 5 it's a 9bi downswing. Get "net" 9 bi wins from there and you had a break even stretch.

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Lose, not loose. Loose is the opposite of tight. Lose is the opposite of win.

Especially if you're crushing a local game.

Staying in a filthy ****hole, not drinking, and grinding poker 12 hours a day is what you're trying to escape from when you go to Vegas, amirite?

For 2017 I'm up about 9bb/hour (about $9400) over 200 hours (an admittedly small sample). But $7500 of that came in two sessions representing 14 hours. So 80% of my winnings came in less than 10% of my hours played. Is that unusual and does it say anything about my game and the variance I may be experiencing?

I think if everybody had fine grained record tracking every session on an hour by hour basis that 80-90% of our winnings would come from the best 10-20% of these hour long sessions for most players. Other than that, your results are simply proof that there's variance in poker and it takes a lot of live hours to have confidence in your winrate.

It's just noise. My total winnings for the year to date (150 hrs) are just a little bit higher than the two largest pots I've won. Your nl/pl results are going to be skewed by the rare huge pots, so whatever bucket they happened to land in (weekday/weekend, long/short session, casino A/casino B) is going to look particularly rosy or dire.

Poker can be thought of as trying to break even for 8 hours waiting for that one cooler that triples you up.

So yeah, don't read much into it.

You might be doing it wrong...

nah, thats how I play poker

1) No set, no bet
2) You can't lose what you don't put in the middle

Those are the sentiments to which I abide by.

But you can't win anything either.

You are playing super suboptimally. Pretty sure the YGO national champ I know doesn't play that bad.

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This is very similar to my whole 2016, where ~80% of my winnings came in just ~10% of my sessions, over 540 hours (I posted about it earlier in this thread, most likely at the beginning of 2017).

I've convinced myself it's just statistical noise (poker doesn't keep track of whether you go thru stretches of winning a small to medium amount consistently session after session versus this way, which both end up in the exact same winrate). Although at the same time I've yet to book a big (300bb+) winning session in 2017 (and never had a single big winning session in 2015) and that was reflected in the very poor winrates (although I'm still convinced it's just noise).

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GG- you ubernitty playing style, and uncomfortable feelings about playing really deep i would suppose have som effects on your lack of huge plus sessions with 300 BB or more wins. Youre for sure aware of this, just pointing it out when you bring up the issue.

As i started to get more comfortable with my deepstackplay (and more fearless in many spots,not afraid to put a 200-300 BB stack at risk without the nutz) i experienced a significant effect on the amount of big winning sessions.

I don't keep track of how I accumulated all my big 300bb+ wins over my 3382 hours to date, but my guess is that they had absolutely nothing to do with deepstack, and were more likely a $150 win here, a $200 win there, a $100 win there, and so on, with no significant losses, that added up significantly over a 8+ hour session. As I've noted before, my game simply doesn't see anyone putting in 200bb-300bb stacks hardly ever (not just me, *anyone*).

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It's definitely like this for plo. And to some extent it's like this in nl if you are playing in pretty good games.

Replace "cooler" with "what for me would be a sigh fold, but for the rest of the table would be a non-foldable cooler"

Lol, last session out I saw two hands that I would have *easily* sigh mucked if I was in the hand against the particular opponent (a well known passive uber nit sitting <= 100bbs effective). One involved AA vs KK preflop (tight EP guy raises with TT, KK 3 bets, AA cold 4bets). The other involved a flopped set over set (Q42r flop in a limped pot, moron 53 OESD donks, QQ flats, 22 raises, 53 shoves, QQ shoves).

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I don't understand how you guys are getting $30/night at harrahs or anywhere for that matter. Everything is 80/day average or more if you are staying weekends also.

Comps man, comps. I don't get particularly good rates on the weekends, but during the week it's dirt cheap. They advertise $30/night, but I usually can get Mon-Wed free. Weekends are more, holidays are more, of course.

And that's all from merely having the Total Rewards Credit card and using it for day to day purchases. No table games BS.


I'd say from looking at my graph that a large portion of the time spent is roughly break even or grinding a slow profit. There's some winning, some losing, and a lot of blinds being paid. Then there are the runs were we get into good spots and exploit them, winning a bunch of money/BB quickly. When we think about the hands we win and lose, this kind of makes sense. We should be folding a lot of trash in EP and from the blinds, winning a lot of small pots to make up for that, and then larger pots should be rarer. We only get a large pot when both we and our opponent get something we're willing to pile a lot of money in with. In most games without maniacs that should be somewhat rare.

Maybe a good plan is to play 72 hour sessions over weekends and only book hotels over weekdays.

No but seriously, for people who are staying in vegas over 3 week periods or more, it's just deceptive I feel to suggest it being possible to get it under 100/day after tax and fees at any reasonable hotel I think, though hopefully someone can correct me and show me the light.