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Old 03-02-2017, 11:30 PM   #18351
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Why do you say that is mostly unsustainable? Did you feel you ran above expectations?
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Old 03-03-2017, 07:45 AM   #18352
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so I am on the worst run of my poker life online...im down $$$$ my last 7-8 months of playing, whereas my worst run b4 was a 3 month breakeven stretch.

So my question is my last 150k hands I am running 2.75bb/100 below EV......could one of you statisticians out there put this in perspective for me?? whats the % i can run this bad over this sample?? can it get much worse than this lol?
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Old 03-03-2017, 08:06 AM   #18353
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Like dream crusher said -- why is it you think you're just "running hot"? Those WR's are def sustainable if you're a top player in your pool.

That being said, it's more likely you are running hot, especially if you know you are certainly not the top % of your pool.
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Old 03-03-2017, 08:27 AM   #18354
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Why do you say that is mostly unsustainable? Did you feel you ran above expectations?
The truth is that I'm not sure what is sustainable at this point. I guess I expected to take my lumps when moving up to $2/$5, not win at a higher rate than $1/$2 almost immediately. I'll be sure to update after a few more months!
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Old 03-03-2017, 08:32 AM   #18355
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Like dream crusher said -- why is it you think you're just "running hot"? Those WR's are def sustainable if you're a top player in your pool.

That being said, it's more likely you are running hot, especially if you know you are certainly not the top % of your pool.
I'd like to think I'm in the top % of my pool, but I'm not sure that's true. I think a lot about table & seat selection, so as long as as there are a few non-top players at the table, that's all I need. I think saying that you are "running hot" is a way to prep yourself mentally for losses that are inevitable. Just part of setting realistic expectations.
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Old 03-03-2017, 06:57 PM   #18356
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so I am on the worst run of my poker life online...im down $$$$ my last 7-8 months of playing, whereas my worst run b4 was a 3 month breakeven stretch.

So my question is my last 150k hands I am running 2.75bb/100 below EV......could one of you statisticians out there put this in perspective for me?? whats the % i can run this bad over this sample?? can it get much worse than this lol?
How did you get that #? You are playing live casino poker for this?
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Old 03-03-2017, 07:36 PM   #18357
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How did you get that #? You are playing live casino poker for this?


It's gotta be online. 150k hands is 5k hours min live.
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Old 03-03-2017, 07:36 PM   #18358
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How did you get that #? You are playing live casino poker for this?
Um, I'm guessing not?

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Old 03-10-2017, 05:00 PM   #18359
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How many BB to start playing 1/2 live

I have never consistently played live poker, it is always an occasional trip. I now live pretty close to a local card hall and I can play regularly.

I used to play a lot of online poker, .5/.10nl and a little bit of .25nl on bovada before it got shut down.

I have played there a few times but for fun and without a bankroll.

Long story short I want to play live at my local casino, how big of a bankroll do you suggest? I was thinking $1,200. I buy in for $200.
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Old 03-10-2017, 05:02 PM   #18360
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would imagine 4k ish but im no expert
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Old 03-10-2017, 05:11 PM   #18361
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Re: How many BB to start playing 1/2 live

Hobby or are you turning pro?
If it's just a hobby and you can replenish the roll consistently, you don't need to save up a bunch to hang onto. Just bring a few BI (I like 4, but plenty of people have lower stoplosses) with you when you go to play. If this is a profession, then we need to talk expenses and saving enough for that, plus the obligatory don't go pro, it's a **** job, etc.
But if you're looking at something you can't easily add to once it's gone, then I'd suggest 15-20 BI at 100BB. So, $3-4K for 1-2. Just my 2 cents.

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Old 03-10-2017, 05:15 PM   #18362
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Re: How many BB to start playing 1/2 live

It depends on a few factors. What is your goal with poker? Is your poker bankroll independent of your other finances, or will you be adding/taking money from it? What is your skill level?
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Old 03-10-2017, 06:44 PM   #18363
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Poker bankroll is independent from my other finances. I would like to be doing it as a side hobby, not to go pro.

I don't want to be adding in constantly. I have a gambling account that I like to do all my gambling with..

Skill level, I know basic strategy and would play a pretty simple ABC type of strategy to win at .10nl online. Now I know Live is a completely different story so I was looking at a beginning bankroll strategy. Depending on how many ups/downs I have with my first run at it will determine if I will replenish the bankroll and start over again if I bankrupt.
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Old 03-10-2017, 09:47 PM   #18364
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Re: How many BB to start playing 1/2 live

Depends on how good you are. It's going to be pretty rare for a good player to bust more than 5-10 buy ins but it can absolutely happen. It's not that good players can't have a 5 buy in downswing, but the odds of that happening right off the bat are pretty small.

If you want to be safe $4,000.
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Old 03-10-2017, 10:16 PM   #18365
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If it's for a hobby and buy in is 200 then 600 should be plenty. If you lose more than 3 buy ins it's probably time to call it a night


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Old 03-11-2017, 12:01 AM   #18366
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2k is lots if you are a winning player and don't mind replenishing the roll in the event of a downswing. A 2k downswing will eventually happen but I would say it should be relatively rare for a winning player
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Old 03-11-2017, 03:54 AM   #18367
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awesome info guys, I appreciate it.
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Old 03-11-2017, 05:32 AM   #18368
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Old 03-11-2017, 07:37 AM   #18369
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why do people place any importance on thinking about what their exact bankroll is at 1/2? just play. see how you do. get an idea of whether you have an edge in the game or not. don't quit your day job. the idea of a bankroll is only significant when losing it means you can't play the game anymore or have to make lifestyle changes.
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Old 03-11-2017, 08:10 AM   #18370
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why do people place any importance on thinking about what their exact bankroll is at 1/2? just play. see how you do. get an idea of whether you have an edge in the game or not. don't quit your day job. the idea of a bankroll is only significant when losing it means you can't play the game anymore or have to make lifestyle changes.
This. Bankroll size shouldn't really be an issue if you have a steady job and you're just playing as a hobby. If you're trying to be a pro grinder or are relying on poker for any of your life expenses, then it becomes an issue. Just play with what you can afford to lose and see what happens. If you feel like the game has the edge over your or you start to compile more losses than what you feel is sustainable, then quit playing and work on your game away from the table until you bank enough money to start playing again without it affecting your life.

I think it's a good idea to segregate your poker roll if you play on a regular basis, especially if you're aspiring to move up in stakes or take the occasional shot in larger games. If you have a steady income though, and you just want to play recreationally and get your feet wet in the live game, the importance of having X amount of money set aside before you can start playing is something that's overblown and really not that important IMO. Just make sure you're only playing with money that you can afford to lose, and don't worry about it.
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Old 03-11-2017, 08:13 AM   #18371
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Re: How many BB to start playing 1/2 live

When I go out playing cash I take 2*100bb for what ever stakes I'm playing.
I'm usually pretty tilted if I lose 2 buy-ins so then go home. I also don't take my bank card or anything else to prevent multi- re-loads.
I started off with no bank roll at all, just taking 1*100bb buy in, I built my roll by by putting 50% of winnings into a separate account (the glove box of my car) and would only use that to play, now I am pretty well rolled to play up £2-5+ although I mainly play £1-2, and I put 20% winnings into the roll, the Mrs takes 10%, holiday fund takes 40% and the rest gets wasted by me.
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Old 03-11-2017, 08:28 AM   #18372
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When I go out playing cash I take 2*100bb for what ever stakes I'm playing.
I'm usually pretty tilted if I lose 2 buy-ins so then go home. I also don't take my bank card or anything else to prevent multi- re-loads.
I started off with no bank roll at all, just taking 1*100bb buy in, I built my roll by by putting 50% of winnings into a separate account (the glove box of my car) and would only use that to play, now I am pretty well rolled to play up £2-5+ although I mainly play £1-2, and I put 20% winnings into the roll, the Mrs takes 10%, holiday fund takes 40% and the rest gets wasted by me.
Probably not a good idea to leave money in your car
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Old 03-24-2017, 12:26 PM   #18373
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Background: I have a tiny sample size and have no aspirations of turning pro. I have a job, and am trying to keep my poker roll segregated. Play approx. 50hrs monthly.
Goals: I am trying to start shot taking 2-5nl in the next few months and hopefully play 2-5nl on the regular by the end of the year.
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My idea is to wait until I have a certain amount in my roll, then take a few buyins to 2/5. If I lose that move back to 1/2 to build again and rinse/repeat. Do this until I stick at 2/5.

Bad plan? Best plan?
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Old 03-24-2017, 12:28 PM   #18374
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That's a pretty standard move up plan. I would not take any shots though until what you lose doesn't put you back in 1/2 rebuilding mode. Otherwise you'll be scared money despite having money behind.
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Old 03-24-2017, 12:30 PM   #18375
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That's a pretty standard move up plan. I would not take any shots though until what you lose doesn't put you back in 1/2 rebuilding mode. Otherwise you'll be scared money despite having money behind.
Define 1/2 rebuilding mode? Do you mean you wouldn't take shots until you are fully rolled for 2/5?
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