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Old 02-20-2017, 11:58 AM   #18201
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Old 02-20-2017, 12:10 PM   #18202
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Old 02-20-2017, 12:17 PM   #18203
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Old 02-20-2017, 04:48 PM   #18204
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quick bankroll management question.. buying in for the max

I've been building a roll playing 1/2 lately and I don't have any other income at the moment... My roll is at $1600 so my question is should I be buying in for 200 until i have a bigger roll or should i just get in for the max (300 most games / 500 in one that i play in)? I feel like i have more of an edge playing deeper but also if i get stacked that is gonna hurt me.
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Old 02-20-2017, 04:57 PM   #18205
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Re: quick bankroll management question.. buying in for the max

If you are a winning player in the game you are playing you should buy in for max since you will be able to maximize your profits that way. Buying in for less until you feel comfortable with your bankroll and everything that could be smart as well. I like getting a feeling playing with different stack sizes so I jump around. It is really up to you and what you feel comfortable putting on the table.
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Old 02-20-2017, 05:19 PM   #18206
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Re: quick bankroll management question.. buying in for the max

$500 might be a bit too risky given your bank roll but you should be able to try $300 and see if it works out for you.

What sorts of stack sizes are other people buying in for and what sorts of games are you playing in? It matters a fair bit. If your games are loaded with maniacs and SLAGs then buying in shorter so you can handle more variance is fine. If you have a passive whale in the game you should want to buy in for as much as you can.
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Old 02-20-2017, 05:37 PM   #18207
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Re: quick bankroll management question.. buying in for the max

games are pretty soft i guess. average 1/2 i guess. i play in a few different casinos - the one i spend the most time there are a lot of loose passive players so that leads to high variance in spots but run good = insta-stacks. the game with the 500 max buy in is the toughest. it's a "home game" with a rake and a couple really good aggressive players there. there's still money to be made but it's a grind.
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Old 02-20-2017, 05:40 PM   #18208
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Re: quick bankroll management question.. buying in for the max

You are really taking a flyer (meaning your risk of ruin is pretty darn high regardless of how you play) no matter what so may as well go big or go home and buy in for max. I'm assuming you are single and living a very modest lifestyle so you are not at risk of hurting other people.
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Old 02-20-2017, 05:52 PM   #18209
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Re: quick bankroll management question.. buying in for the max

just stick with 200. if you're a winner in the game I think about 2k is good enough to start off with for 1/2 only bc its so soft and low variance.
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Old 02-20-2017, 06:31 PM   #18210
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I'd stick with $200 until you have $2K. Then I'd go up to $300. I wouldn't even consider $500 in the more aggro (and therefore swingy) game until you have $5K.
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Old 02-20-2017, 06:39 PM   #18211
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Having a bad month. -$3100 most of it coming from a super long super tilting session where I dropped $2K in the softest 2/5 deep stack table assembled in the last couple years (couple NFL players, 2 women that didn't fully understand hand rankings, rest of the table cold calling 3bets with 710s type hands). Everyone had over 300bbs, didn't even make sense. Ugh.

On a positive note this was on a Wednesday night with not even 1 average reg. Might have found a new spot to grind hopefully.
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Old 02-20-2017, 08:05 PM   #18212
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^ right there with you.. just had my biggest BB losing session in a year at 600 BB's. lost the maximum or near max on every hand while winning zilch
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Old 02-21-2017, 12:02 AM   #18213
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^ yeah it'll get better. Hoping to finish out the month by playing well.
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Old 02-21-2017, 01:36 AM   #18214
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Re: quick bankroll management question.. buying in for the max

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I've been building a roll playing 1/2 lately and I don't have any other income at the moment... My roll is at $1600 so my question is should I be buying in for 200 until i have a bigger roll or should i just get in for the max (300 most games / 500 in one that i play in)? I feel like i have more of an edge playing deeper but also if i get stacked that is gonna hurt me.
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I'd be buying in 80bb until you have about 4k and also grinding on the side delivering pizzas or something.
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Old 02-21-2017, 06:24 AM   #18215
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Re: quick bankroll management question.. buying in for the max

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I've been building a roll playing 1/2 lately and I don't have any other income at the moment... My roll is at $1600 so my question is should I be buying in for 200 until i have a bigger roll or should i just get in for the max (300 most games / 500 in one that i play in)? I feel like i have more of an edge playing deeper but also if i get stacked that is gonna hurt me.
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You could buy in for 200, and if your roll drops to 800 then cut it in half so you have 8 more bullets.
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Old 02-21-2017, 11:38 AM   #18216
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Re: quick bankroll management question.. buying in for the max

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I've been building a roll playing 1/2 lately and I don't have any other income at the moment... My roll is at $1600 so my question is should I be buying in for 200 until i have a bigger roll or should i just get in for the max (300 most games / 500 in one that i play in)? I feel like i have more of an edge playing deeper but also if i get stacked that is gonna hurt me.
i appreciate the feedback
1 you are building a roll with no other income. Are you a winning player?
2 if yes what is your poker resume
3 if you have no live resume get yer ass side income pronto

the reason for 3 is in my time as a gombooler I have seen many winning online players have difficulty transitioning to live... you may not fall into that category...but imho you have 2 things going against u (no live experience and short roll)...this is not generally a winning combo
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Old 02-21-2017, 01:03 PM   #18217
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Starting a bankroll of about 1.5k for low NL games, had a question about game selection and blind structure.

I just got a new job and luckily there is a cardroom about 5 minutes away, unfortunately the smallest NL game has a 2/2/3 blind structure with 100bb buy in cap. Basically I am getting blinded as if it was a 2/5 game but less deepstacked. The other options under an hour from me are a 1/2/3 100bb game, 1/1/2 100bb game, and 1/3 $3-200 spread limit game with a buyin cap of highest stack at the table. The best players are in the spread limit game by far and the other three NL games have typical 1/2 & 1/3 donks.

In order to find a normal 1/2 & 1/3 game with >100bb buy ins its over an hour drive for both and I find this commute hard to do on days that I work. I feel these games give me the biggest edge though.

With the extra blind on the button I feel I'm paying about ~$10 more per hour with this structure and the games don't allow me to be as deepstacked. Does anyone have experience playing in games with an extra blind in on the button? I'd like to play multiple days a week but don't know if its worth it in the long run to play with the triple blind structure... right now I'm trying to limit myself to one long weekend session but occasionally play during the week at one of the closer places... and when I do it's at the 1/2/3 place
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Old 02-21-2017, 01:41 PM   #18218
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A blind on the button shouldnt necessarily impact you negatively. Other players have to pay this blind too. Its not like the blind on the button is going directly to rake, which is what affects your winrate.
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Old 02-21-2017, 01:58 PM   #18219
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well i came in here for some advice on moving up but i guess my current winrate is probably related to the whole "cant beat 7 bb/hr" thing. Im currently sitting on $12k BR. Around 80-90% of my profit just goes back into my BR, i dont really need the money for anything (wife disagrees lol). Started really tryharding live and playing semi regularly (about 5 hours per week) beginning of 2016. Played mostly 1/2 or 1/3, 288 hours, $28.37/hr I also min cashed in 2/2 tourneys for $390 in profit lolz.

Accounting for just 1/2 and 1/3 im at $30.13/hr in 230 hours. At 2/5 im at $31.96/hr in 34 hours. remaining hours are $5.95/hr 23 hours at 4/8 and 8/16 limit. Its extremely likely the winrate is unsustainable, but i can at least be pretty confident i can beat the game at $15/hr.

So i had planned to move up to 2/5, and in fact I did play about 30 hours of 2/5 in vegas with success, but the local casino that opened is running $1/3 $500, which seems like it plays like a 2/5 game. The next level up is 2/5 $1k. Im sort of thinking with my BR and winrate, i should feel confident moving up (although ive been told 20 buyins which would be $20k BR)

The other thing that has deterred me from moving up is I have been demolishing the 1/3 game at the new casino. Only 52 hours, but im at $63.91/hr, and thats despite the game having an effective $7 rake (5+2 with no promos since it just opened). My one session at 2/5 the game seemed a good amount tougher, and im thinking maybe it makes sense, lots of players who havent ever really had a local casino and they are playing the lowest stakes of course, so maybe I should stay at 1/3 and vacuum up all the new player money until the 1/3 game isnt so soft.

Downside of that strategy is it delays my move up in stakes, and I feel like im at a point where im not learning much at 1/3.

So basically the question is...move up to 2/5/$1k?

Pros: theoretically higher achievable winrate. I semi have the BR for it. Learning(?). Long term maybe preps me for 5/10 if i do well at 2/5. Maybe the massive winrate at 1/3 new casino is either also available at 2/5, or just me reading too much into variance

Cons: At least in the 30 hours i played in vegas, i noticed i have a much worse feel for bet sizes that tend to get called vs folded, so id expect at least some loss of winrate from asjustments such as these in short term. Possibly missing out on epically free money at 1/3. Semi dont have the BR for it. Havent really played a whole lot at the $500 buyin level, so maybe moving to $1k after only about 90 hours at $500 buyin is a fast jump.
The only thing I'm going to simply note here is your sample size hours (you've mentioned ones of 230, 52 and 34). I would go so far as to say these sample sizes are so small that they are almost completely meaningless, and probably couldn't even conclude whether you are a winner in the game based on them (let alone for how much).

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Old 02-21-2017, 04:18 PM   #18220
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I've got about 400 hours at 1/3, about $19-20/hr, usually only play Fri and Sat nights. One thing I don't see is the massive swings some people report. My worst (say 6 hour session) is prolly about losing 2 buy-ins, and that happened like twice in say 70 sessions. I know his sample size is not big, so I try to see spots where there is variance, and I don't really see it. I kind of think of a model that reduces my sessions to about 3 medium size pots and 1 big pot where if it were heads up, I'd be about a 60% favorite. So I don't really see the potential for big losses.

Then again, maybe I'm leaving money on the table. I raise quite a bit preflop, but don't 3bet light much and don't really find myself c/r much after the flop. I feel I do pretty well at things like knowing when a turn check can gain me a river bet.

IDK, any comments? I'm just trying to look more qualitatively since my sample size is kind of small. Is there a metric I could track that could give more insight into any leaks?
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Old 02-21-2017, 04:41 PM   #18221
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@biz dude

Your w/r is nice...as you said your sample size is small. I have had 200hr b/e stretches. I have also had 400hr stretches where I can do no wrong

The best thing to do is find a poker buddy and really discuss hands, lines, sizing etc.

We all have leaks. It takes a lot of work to realize what they are and to focus up and plug em
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Old 02-22-2017, 01:12 AM   #18222
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400 hour update, all since May, 2016, and all at 1/2 cause that's all that runs in my city

hours: 398.5
profit: $8258
$/hr: $20.72

I suck at graphs and cant get the x axis to make the hours show up, but here's what I got:


I've definitely made a lot of mistakes during this period, but rarely big ones. I've pretty much learned that if I dont think I'm running badly, then I'm probably running pretty good. So I probly got some run good going on overall in some way. Hoping to be at >$15/hr though long term.
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Old 02-22-2017, 02:05 AM   #18223
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400 hour update, all since May, 2016, and all at 1/2 cause that's all that runs in my city

hours: 398.5
profit: $8258
$/hr: $20.72

I suck at graphs and cant get the x axis to make the hours show up, but here's what I got:


I've definitely made a lot of mistakes during this period, but rarely big ones. I've pretty much learned that if I dont think I'm running badly, then I'm probably running pretty good. So I probly got some run good going on overall in some way. Hoping to be at >$15/hr though long term.
Nice 11 game winning streak.
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Old 02-22-2017, 03:07 AM   #18224
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Any time your giraffe moves up at a near vertical angle you can be assured you are running better than "good."

You can go back a year in this exact thread and see how oblivious I was towards variance. The subsequent 2000 hours have been life changing and are steering me back towards full time employment as playing poker full time with advanced degrees is unequivocally the nut low.
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Old 02-22-2017, 03:37 AM   #18225
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Hey guys, there is a really soft 1/2 game in a casino where I live. I have played 4 sessions and made a profit in every session, won like 500euros.
Obviously 4 sessions is nothing and variance happens, but there was always atleast 2-4 old guys that had no clue what they were doing at the table.

rake is 5% capped at 15euros. The casino is 25km away from me and I need to pay to park my car (something like 1$ per hour capped at 6$ so I never pay more than that) . So considering my travel costs and parking costs....is it worth ?

I'm not trying to live off poker or aspire to be a professional, I just love to play and some side income $$ would be nice obv, probably I will only play 2-3 days/ week (4-6+- hours per session) , because of studying and my work, unless im on holydays etc..

The min salary wage at my country is like 530$ , so anything like 1k+- $$ per month of winnings wouldnt be bad. Considering my travel expenses and time available to play would it be worth ?

Also there are some live mtts from time to time that seem profitable, that I would like to start playing ( the weekly 100$ mtts, I dont really care because of the small prizepools) but sometimes there are 500$ big ones that pay 20k$ to first and there are satellites , so binking one of them wouldnt be too bad. For instance WSOP circuit is coming to this casino for the 1st time here in May and I assume the main even which is 550$ will have a nice prizepool , probably will play.

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