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Old 02-04-2017, 06:02 PM   #18001
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Thinking more about it, I believe my lowest RoR is SS 1/3. Gives me the most BI's. I wonder if my ego is getting in the way of doing that. Or is the rake a real concern when playing with $60 stack?
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Yes, "full" is a bit short, but you can play a pretty standard strategy with 66.67BBs effective.
that's why $60 is to low and $200 is too much. I'd probably buy in for just over $100, depending on the avg size of the pfr and # of cold callers. You want to be able to cbet without committing yourself to showing down Ace high, but you want them to feel committed with any weird draw they have.

$200 at 3/5 won't have that problem too much but I would wait until your roll is morel like $4500.
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:24 PM   #18002
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Actually, the whole concept of viewing the money you won today as different is a form of "tilt", where you might play in a game thats too big for you because the money doesn't feel like its "yours yet", while you wouldn't play in that exact same game if you racked up, left, and came back a week later with the same net worth (because you've had time to accept that this "new money" is part of your net worth).

That being said, it's obviously very valuable to be able to play as if you don't care about the money, but if you /should/ care about the money because you have a reasonable RoR, then you're best off just not sitting in the game to begin with -- sitting with 2.5k in a 5/10 game with a roll of 12k is a sure way to go broke quickly. If you're able to replenish your poker BR with your other job thats another story
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:52 PM   #18003
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I'm definitely able to replenish so maybe that's where I'm coming from. And yeah, probably right that it's a form of tilt. But it's not the sort that will cause me to **** up, you know?
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Old 02-04-2017, 07:00 PM   #18004
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Actually, the whole concept of viewing the money you won today as different is a form of "tilt", where you might play in a game thats too big for you because the money doesn't feel like its "yours yet", while you wouldn't play in that exact same game if you racked up, left, and came back a week later with the same net worth (because you've had time to accept that this "new money" is part of your net worth).

That being said, it's obviously very valuable to be able to play as if you don't care about the money, but if you /should/ care about the money because you have a reasonable RoR, then you're best off just not sitting in the game to begin with -- sitting with 2.5k in a 5/10 game with a roll of 12k is a sure way to go broke quickly. If you're able to replenish your poker BR with your other job thats another story
That's a great way to think about it. It should be the exact same but there's something about the confidence of playing after crushing for a session that makes the shot more appealing to take. The max buy in is $2k in the 5/10 game so I might give myself two $1k buy ins. Hopefully I get to the point where I think about it again soon! At least that means I'm winning.
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Old 02-05-2017, 12:32 PM   #18005
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If you do try it, give us an update and post some HH.


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Old 02-05-2017, 04:05 PM   #18006
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If you do try it, give us an update and post some HH.


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Old 02-08-2017, 11:15 AM   #18007
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How many hours should be logged before results can really be looked at? I understand the more the better but there are so many hours I can get in after work/weekends. Only at 40 hours for the year
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:28 PM   #18008
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I look at mine every month or so. But you need at least 500 hours to really say anything IMO. Anything can happen over a hundred hours.
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:31 PM   #18009
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How many hours should be logged before results can really be looked at? I understand the more the better but there are so many hours I can get in after work/weekends. Only at 40 hours for the year
1000 hours is the standard.

Honestly for rec player @40hr month. You will never know your winrate. As game will change so many times during that 1000 hr mark. That it effects your actual Expected winrate.

But keep tracking/ keep winning it's fun to look back.

If your still tracking at end of year. Then you have had a good year, because losers generally stop tracking their results at some point.

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Old 02-08-2017, 12:32 PM   #18010
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How many hours should be logged before results can really be looked at? I understand the more the better but there are so many hours I can get in after work/weekends. Only at 40 hours for the year
At 40 hours per month, you'll put in close to 500 in a year (which is about what I put in recreationally per year). In ~7 years of playing, I've booked as good as a 11.83 bb/hr year, and booked as bad as a 2.63 bb/hr year, and everything in between. So as you can see, you'll have a very difficult time drawing any meaningful conclusions about how exactly you're doing, although you may get a sense as to whether you are a winner or loser in your game, but only after booking a few years worth of those types of hours.

Instead, perhaps concentrate on making as good as decisions as you can as often as you can. That's also difficult to do (as who really knows what is right?), but one step is by posting some hands and seeing if you consistently get a consensus that you are ****ing up a lot of streets, or whether you are playing fairly decently on a lot of streets.

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Old 02-09-2017, 02:51 AM   #18011
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I used to believe 500 or 1000 hours, it's not enough. So many ways to run good or bad that we can't even fathom. I'd say 3k hours you have clue
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:24 AM   #18012
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The worse you are, the more hours you will need, the better you are, the less.
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Old 02-09-2017, 08:15 AM   #18013
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:54 AM   #18014
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atleast there are not more 0s on the y axis
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:59 AM   #18015
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I have 6 out of 6 winning sessions so far in February with a StnDev of $38/hr at $2/$5. Yes, that's 7.6BB/hr StnDev. LOL

10 winning sessions in a row in total (I'm sure I just jinxed myself). Only a total of $2000 won though.

My record is 14 in a row for a total of $6174. That streak was a lot more fun than this one, but I'm not complaining.
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Old 02-09-2017, 10:08 AM   #18016
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Down $600 in 100 hours?
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Old 02-09-2017, 02:53 PM   #18017
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I used to believe 500 or 1000 hours, it's not enough. So many ways to run good or bad that we can't even fathom. I'd say 3k hours you have clue
And by the 3K mark your pool has most likely changed so much that your current winrate is irrelevant with regards to what you should expect moving forward in your current pool.

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Old 02-09-2017, 02:57 PM   #18018
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I'm down $51 for the year so far.

However, in my second biggest winning year (of seven total) I was ~breakeven thru May, so still a lotta time to rebound.

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Old 02-09-2017, 03:21 PM   #18019
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Haha. I'm down $1100 in 107 hours so far this year. Hooray a couple of bad RxR sessions.

From the hands I've played so far this year, I could easily have been up just as much if just a couple of the big ones go another way, or if I connected with a flop in a multi-way $20+ pre PLO hand. Three good sessions and I'm back even.

+-<$1k isn't really anything to worry about IMO.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:13 PM   #18020
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PLO is currently pulling me out of my largest NL downswing I've ever experienced. How's that for a funny sentence?
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Old 02-09-2017, 05:01 PM   #18021
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PLO is currently pulling me out of my largest NL downswing I've ever experienced. How's that for a funny sentence?
Good thing PLO is so consistently non swongy.

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Old 02-09-2017, 05:16 PM   #18022
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Old 02-09-2017, 05:50 PM   #18023
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Swinging life away.

Feels decent to be on the uptick recently.

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Old 02-09-2017, 07:37 PM   #18024
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I had an absolute sick sunrun week in January.

But I already spent all of the money and now I feel gross af
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Old 02-10-2017, 03:46 AM   #18025
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Just to share my run good. Been in Chicago for a few days and up a bit over $5k in 20 hours. Ran like a god tonight so trying not to let the good variance go to my head.
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