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Originally Posted by niceguy22
2 nl online is probably very comparable in skill level to like 1/2nl live, right? With how easy it is to track online win rates, from what ive read, 30 bb/100 hands is around where players have maxed out over a large sample.
Live, 30bb / 100hands at 1/2 is $15/ hour, assuming 25 hands/ hr. So with these massive win rates stated itt, as much as id like to believe it being a live player myself, how can they be true? There should be some hard evidence of huge win rates bigger than 30 bb/ 100 hands online @ 2nl, shouldnt there? (and yes, people move up, but even over like 40k hands...)
My thoughts exactly when switching from online to live. I still think these winrates are a myth that make live players overestimate the profitability of live poker. PS, I was under the impression that 20bb/100 was the max for 2nl online? This was based solely off magorko's sample played there. Where have you seen 30bb/100 over any sample?
I would say 1/2 and 2/5 live play similar to 2nl online. The main difference is the average Vpip. Online games people play far less hands ~20-30%, often far less. Live vpips are much much higher. Also with a huge increase in multiway pots, our equity in any hand is decreased. This creates a much higher standard deviation or variance in the live games compared to 2nl online. I am convinced however that over a big sample one could beat 2/5 for 20bb/100, maybe closer to 25bb/100 if it plays deep. The issue is that if you're only getting 30 hands per hour, even if you win at 25bb/100, you're only looking at 7.5bb/HR.
Be very careful what people tell you wrt live winrates. Do the math yourself. Things to consider are stack depth, table vpip, hand rates, standard dev, your strategy/approach. Always be conservative wrt Ewinrates and understand that you can simply run terrible for over 1k hours - which is a very very long time.