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01-04-2017 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath Winrates, bankrolls, and finances
Nice results people!

So basically I'm the only one prepared to post about a losing year?

Or am I the only non Crusher on here?
I believe Miami mentioned in the chat thread that he had a losing year.

Gwhatisthisthingyouspeakof,"losing"?G
01-04-2017 , 01:27 PM
I think the majority of strat advice in LLSNL is pretty horrid.

Anywho, Bodybuilder, just because poker doesnt quite "click" for you wrt being able to truly crush souls in live poker, doesnt mean other people arent capable of doing it. His results are far from unattainable and honestly pretty standard for a very solid player in a 1/2 or 1/3 game (those games are laughably soft everywhere in the country).

Youre massively overestimating your own skill level.
01-04-2017 , 01:27 PM
Do you play in Vegas too? Are you comparing apples to apples? The reason I ask is because my winrate would be drastically different based on where I live and play. My closest casino is Tropicana in Evansville but I think I could do much better in Vegas or the Midwest or LA where there are more choices. I'm sure if I did my research I could find other places even better. By the same token I'm sure there are places much worse.

Also, game selection and table selection cannot be understated. I went to Vegas for a week in November and one morning at Aria I immediately noticed my table sucked but there was one nearby I thought looked juicy. I put in a table change request and ended up making my best profit of the trip. Had I stayed, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been near as good.

I'm not scrutinizing or validating anyone's results because honestly I only care about mine and it's futile and useless to try to worry about anyone else's but we can all improve our game.

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01-04-2017 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie Winrates, bankrolls, and finances
I didn't have a losing year but I came damn close! I managed to snatch profit from the jaws of loss.

1st full year playing $2/5 and I screwed the pooch after being up 5k over my first 50 hours. Lots of leveling myself into bad call offs, spew, etc. Went on an 8k downswing at one point. Got some good advice, righted the ship and got back on track. Tracking at 5.5 bb over the last 250 hours or so. (In b4 lolsamplesize)

Goals for 2017 are to play 450-500 hours, play some PLO when it looks good, and learn some other variants. My casino opened a new swanky card room. With it comes a dealer pool that's been trained to deal all sorts of games like badugi and triple draw. I'd like to be there when those games go off and not be a total fish doing it.




Might be the first time we've seen a < 50% session winning percentage post a positive overall winrate here?

Any concerns that the bulk of the profit came in a lol sample size of the biggest game?

Still, even if you had a horrible year, you still did better than almost all of your opponents. Winning can't be taken for granted / underappreciated.

Ggoodluckin2017!G
01-04-2017 , 01:37 PM
My 2016 results:

Due to a phone issue, I only have hourly numbers since mid-April. Since Mid-April I'm up $13,911 over 297.5 hours for an hourly of $46.70. Most (about 240) of those hours are in the local 1/2 uncapped game I play in, where my win rate is just shy of $40/hour, the rest is in 17 hours of 1/3 where my win rate is $25/hour, and 31 hours of 2/5 where my win rate is an unsustainable $118/hour. Prior to mid-April I had $2700 of winnings, so total poker winnings for the year are $16,611.

I've run-good in a number of respects, including by running better at 2/5 than my normal 1/2 stakes. Also, in the last session of the year someone shipped me $1,000 in a pot where I had the nuts and they misread their hand. That alone added almost $3.50 to my hourly winrate for the year. I don't think my win rate is sustainable given how much 1/2 I play. My game is uncapped and plays more like 2/5, but rake is pretty extreme.
01-04-2017 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek Winrates, bankrolls, and finances
Might be the first time we've seen a < 50% session winning percentage post a positive overall winrate here?

Any concerns that the bulk of the profit came in a lol sample size of the biggest game?

Still, even if you had a horrible year, you still did better than almost all of your opponents. Winning can't be taken for granted / underappreciated.

Ggoodluckin2017!G
Thanks for the kind words GG!

I think winning vs. losing session count is a poor barometer for performance. I tend to leave early if I'm losing and stay when I'm winning, so it's possible I have more losing sessions but have a few monster winning sessions to offset. Also I have a ton of sessions logged where I played $1/2 waiting for another game, posted blinds and folded everything. That's considered a losing session in my records.

Frankly I should be more concerned I'm a net loser last year at $1/2 and $1/3.
01-04-2017 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

I think winning vs. losing session count is a poor barometer for performance. I tend to leave early if I'm losing and stay when I'm winning, so it's possible I have more losing sessions but have a few monster winning sessions to offset.
Agreed. Win % is a very arbitrary stat imo.

I could quite easily attain a win % of 90%+ if that was my only goal. Just leave every session when I'm up $10 lol
01-04-2017 , 02:00 PM
While Donkey's results are amazing, I don't doubt them.

Sounds like his 1/3 NL game allows him to BI fairly deep.

Sounds like he has awesome table/selection opportunities. I'm pretty sure if all I ever did was play at the most awesome table I've ever played at that my winrate would be 2x what it is (but table selection in my room isn't remotely what it once was).

Also, his overall hours are still a pretty lol ~900 hours. My guess is that far and away the best method to produce awesome results is to play an aggro laggy style *and* run good. Not saying that's all he's doing, but there's at least a *chance* that is making up some of it.

Anyways, I certainly hope he keeps posting his results, it would be interesting to see if he can maintain after ~3000 hours, etc.

Ggoodluck!G
01-04-2017 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MIB211 Winrates, bankrolls, and finances
Also, in the last session of the year someone shipped me $1,000 in a pot where I had the nuts and they misread their hand.
Lol, awesome!

Gwait,howcanyouhavethenutflushifIhavethenutflu-oh,GODDAMNIT!G
01-04-2017 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek Winrates, bankrolls, and finances
Lol, awesome!

Gwait,howcanyouhavethenutflushifIhavethenutflu-oh,GODDAMNIT!G
Deep-stack 1/2, I have $1000 V covers. I had JT on a Q958A board with no flush draw. River he lead $50, I raised to $150, he re-raised to $250, I shrug-shoved. He snapped so I was certain we were chopping. I show JT, he confidently shows KT! He looked absolutely sick when he realized how much I had behind...

It's funny, but I almost was going to just flat the last bet, because we were so clearly chopping, but a few weeks earlier in a much smaller pot someone half-angled me into thinking we were chopping so I wouldn't raise in a similar spot, and I had learned my lesson.
01-04-2017 , 02:11 PM
Here's my 2016 results:

Total: $80,239 1254 hours $63.95/hr

No limit (1/2 and 2/5): $10,911 132 hours $82.55/hr

Limit (20/40): $33,965 503 hours $67.53/hr

PLO (mostly 5/5): $33,992 274 hours $127.92/hr

Omaha8 (20/40): $1890 272 hours $6.93/hr






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01-04-2017 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek Winrates, bankrolls, and finances
Fantastic start!

Table selection will most likely have the single biggest affect on your lifetime rate, imo.

Ggoodluck!G
thank you sir. your 1000 hours thread helped me a lot when i was learning pre-flop ranges and basic solid strategy. you taught me not to open A6o UTG.
01-04-2017 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jc315 Winrates, bankrolls, and finances
thank you sir. your 1000 hours thread helped me a lot when i was learning pre-flop ranges and basic solid strategy. you taught me not to open A6o UTG.
Lol!

You might want to skip ahead to the 3000 hour mark in that thread cuz the last 1000 hours haven't went as swimmingly as the first 2000 hours.

Ggoodluck!G
01-04-2017 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie Winrates, bankrolls, and finances
I didn't have a losing year but I came damn close! I managed to snatch profit from the jaws of loss.

1st full year playing $2/5 and I screwed the pooch after being up 5k over my first 50 hours. Lots of leveling myself into bad call offs, spew, etc. Went on an 8k downswing at one point. Got some good advice, righted the ship and got back on track. Tracking at 5.5 bb over the last 250 hours or so. (In b4 lolsamplesize)

Goals for 2017 are to play 450-500 hours, play some PLO when it looks good, and learn some other variants. My casino opened a new swanky card room. With it comes a dealer pool that's been trained to deal all sorts of games like badugi and triple draw. I'd like to be there when those games go off and not be a total fish doing it.





nice post. takes a lot to post results when you had a down year and also to admit that you played bad for stretches (instead of solely blaming variance). way to grind it out and hope 2017 goes better.
01-04-2017 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek Winrates, bankrolls, and finances
While Donkey's results are amazing, I don't doubt them.

Sounds like his 1/3 NL game allows him to BI fairly deep.

Sounds like he has awesome table/selection opportunities. I'm pretty sure if all I ever did was play at the most awesome table I've ever played at that my winrate would be 2x what it is (but table selection in my room isn't remotely what it once was).

Also, his overall hours are still a pretty lol ~900 hours. My guess is that far and away the best method to produce awesome results is to play an aggro laggy style *and* run good. Not saying that's all he's doing, but there's at least a *chance* that is making up some of it.

Anyways, I certainly hope he keeps posting his results, it would be interesting to see if he can maintain after ~3000 hours, etc.

Ggoodluck!G
+1 and +1
01-04-2017 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by PLBlow Winrates, bankrolls, and finances
Here's my 2016 results:

Total: $80,239 1254 hours $63.95/hr

No limit (1/2 and 2/5): $10,911 132 hours $82.55/hr

Limit (20/40): $33,965 503 hours $67.53/hr

PLO (mostly 5/5): $33,992 274 hours $127.92/hr

Omaha8 (20/40): $1890 272 hours $6.93/hr
Sick. What happened with that ~$20k spike?
01-04-2017 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyCopter Winrates, bankrolls, and finances
Sick. What happened with that ~$20k spike?
a night of PLO in God mode
01-04-2017 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath Winrates, bankrolls, and finances
Nice results people!

So basically I'm the only one prepared to post about a losing year?

Or am I the only non Crusher on here?


My first half of the year consisted of wondering what to do with all the cash... my second half of the year answered that question
01-04-2017 , 03:44 PM
I also had a losing year but played less than 300 hours and tried some new things. They did not work.
01-04-2017 , 03:59 PM
Started 2017 off with a bang.

Played the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, for +$52.50 over 23.8 hours, or $2.21/hr. Woo hoo!
Really shouldn't sit in the shorthanded PLO home game tables where I don't have a significant edge.

My winrate/BR goals for 2017 are:

1) Play 300 days this year.

2) Suck less at PLO. (Any recommendations?)

3) Game select better. If the single table home or charity game isn't good, leave.

4) Stop skimming my roll for misc. expenses and build up a bigger cash stash to negate the impact of swings.
01-04-2017 , 04:01 PM
Giraffes from overall winners who booked losing/breakeven years would be an awesome balance people; don't be shy!

I still remember reading an article a few years ago regarding how Jason Mercier booked a losing year after some remarkable years.

Gmightbookalosingyearin2017justsoIcanpostoneG
01-04-2017 , 04:02 PM
2016 results:

Total of $11,615 for 345 hours @ $33.67/hr

Mixture of 1/2, 1/3, 2/5, and 5/T

1/2 and 1/3 about 35%, 2/5 about 60%, and 5/T about 5% of total hours played

Plan for 2017 is more studying and more hours. I also would like to play more 5/T. MGM NH just opened up in my area but all their games run deeper. I may have to hold off on the transition until 2018 =(
01-04-2017 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia Winrates, bankrolls, and finances
I also had a losing year but played less than 300 hours and tried some new things. They did not work.
I'm guessing you tried to be super aggro / attempt to 4barrel people off TP more than you did in the past?

GjustaguessG
01-04-2017 , 04:06 PM
The graphs I've posted before covered the losing years, although everything was plotted by hour instead of date so it's hard to pick out where each one is exactly (maybe I'll color code next time). If you're getting < 500 hours/year there's enough volatility that a little runbad + poor play / tilt can tank it
01-04-2017 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek Winrates, bankrolls, and finances
I'm guessing you tried to be super aggro / attempt to 4barrel people off TP more than you did in the past?

GjustaguessG
Haha. Actually the opposite. (Not trolling)

I tried to mimick a player I consider to be the best live player I've ever seen. He's also very passive. So I tried incorporating his style. I still think it's very good, I just obv don't understand it and put myself in tough to spots. He limps suited broadways EP and limps hands as strong as JJ utg. He will check back TP often. Doesn't bluff even very good rivers. Stuff like this.

Also plo. Haha

      
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