Definitely not regularly at the Isle. Its pretty rare actually.

My 2016:

4.79BB/HR over 224 hours. 55% session win percentage.

About double the hours I thought I was going to get, but had set a 6-7BB/HR goal.

I will likely play less this year, but want to be at the 7BB/HR average in 2017. That's the goal.




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So I started playing poker almost exactly 1 year ago (December 2015). Always enjoyed watching poker on TV/youtube, but never played outside of the occasional games with friends (all of whom had no idea what they were doing)

2016
$2/3 NL:

503 hours
+$13,105
8.68bb/hr


some notes/caveats:


-definitely just ran pretty good overall (although I had some small stretches of run bad, but i people on this forum have experienced much much worse so nothing to really complain about). my game definitely grew a ton but there is only so much that you can learn in a year. many people might notice some threads i used to post a year ago, and i was a huge fish. i still am, but lesser so. definitely a fish on a heater here.

-my room typically always has a lot of games running allowing me to game select/better odds of juicier games

-i ended 2016 with a 2 350bb+ wins and 1 more big win; if i take those out my winrate drops to ~7.2 bb/hr


hoping to study my game a lot more over the first quarter of 2017 and hopefully start playing $2/5 some percentage of the time.

With regard to getting nervous, it's some weird physiological thing man. My gf and I visited a small room while on vacation, my hands were shaking at 1/2. I obviously was not nervous. And I didnt have a big hand.

I was going to quote that "you better not give off tells" post as a 2017 POTY contender bc it was so good, but no, you don't need to worry about tells. Lol

Reading them however, as DGAF mentions often, actually can be pretty reliable. As you said often times line reading is easy enough though.

You'd be surprised at some of the 2/5 games. A player I consider to be the top 3 best players I've ever met probably plays about 70/30 (2/5 & 5/10 respectively). Thinking you are above a stake is a leak. I was once sitting on $6K in a $500 capped 2/5 game. This was a time when I was a 5/10 regular. A "friend" came over and needled me about slumming it up with the low stakes crowd. He then sat a short, tough 5/10. Don't be this guy.

(I'm not saying you are. What I am saying is that there are a few players who are capable of making 100/hr at 2/5, and that fact shouldn't be taken lightly)

PM'd about PLO, if you have the time, I'd appreciate some 6max NL tips.

Nice results man, very similar to where I was at after my first 500 hours when I was also a fish on a heater lol. Looks like you have a good grasp on the game & are doing a lot of the right things to look to improve. Expect to be a lot better after your next 500/1000 hours. GL with the transition to 2/5.

Also out of curiosity from reading a few of your HH threads (you don't have to say if not comfortable) what east coast casino do you play at that lets you buy in 300bb+ at 2/3? Is the game uncapped?

The first 4 months of 2016 was all 8/16 holdem, with a sprinkle of oe.
8/16- 433:37 hours, +$5821, +$13.42/hr
oe 8/16- 5:14 hours, -$43, -$8.20/hr

No poker in May, June, or July.

Moved from a limit town to a no limit town. Last 5 months of the year.
1/2- 44:27 hours, +$496, +$11.16/hr
2/3- 71:00 hours, +$4110, +$57.89/hr
3/5- 0:28 hours, +$848, +1789.63/hr

2016 end results
554:58 hours, +$11,232, +$20.24/hr

thanks man appreciate it. the east coast game was a private game actually. i live in the SF/california area.

Nice results people!

So basically I'm the only one prepared to post about a losing year?

Or am I the only non Crusher on here?

That 2015 tho!

Can you post some hand histories in the forum or something? I mean, I play a TAG 2+2 forum style of play and at 1/3, I have maybe had like one stretch of that kind of run good in a 160 hr stretch or so and that was during super optimal, WSOP cash game conditions.

Your 2013 seems about what would happen to me in a 125 hr stretch if I was NEVER coolered and not sucked out on in a pot size over $500 or more.

Like, are you Phil Ivey and are just soul reading villains in 3bet pots and taking it down every time you sense weakness? We don't get dealt that many good enough hands in 100 hrs that we are able to play for stacks unless we play every f*cking hand. Are you playing every hand from every position?

I don't usually consider myself the absolute BEST player at any given table by any stretch. But I probably play the most disciplined PF starting hand selection. I don't pay off big bets, don't bluff into stations. I'm willing to make semi-bluff raises with combo draws, make light 3bets against other TAGs with a fold button. So how the f is your winrate almost triple what mine is at 1/3? Where exactly are you finding all of these spots?

I honestly hope your not a troll because there are actually real grinders out there who read this forum. So if you are a bullS*** artist, just know that your a f**** with people's lives when you post sensational winrates.

Can anyone recommend me a good app for Android to track results?

I was using poker income tracker and it was good, but writing results afterwards can be a bit of pain because it's a little too buggy

what is everyone using?

LOL

Not sure if this is a troll post or serious. But I can tell you that these results are not good enough to be fabricated....

(not an insult to donkeycopter, very solid results, but its humorous for somebody to call you phil ivey because of them)

I didn't have a losing year but I came damn close! I managed to snatch profit from the jaws of loss.

1st full year playing $2/5 and I screwed the pooch after being up 5k over my first 50 hours. Lots of leveling myself into bad call offs, spew, etc. Went on an 8k downswing at one point. Got some good advice, righted the ship and got back on track. Tracking at 5.5 bb over the last 250 hours or so. (In b4 lolsamplesize)

Goals for 2017 are to play 450-500 hours, play some PLO when it looks good, and learn some other variants. My casino opened a new swanky card room. With it comes a dealer pool that's been trained to deal all sorts of games like badugi and triple draw. I'd like to be there when those games go off and not be a total fish doing it.

My results aren't fake. I don't think posting a couple of hands is going to prove that to you.

One of the most important things to taking your game to the next level is knowing how and when to use context; gameflow/dynamics, emotions/tilt, this player is about to get up and leave with a $100 win, live tells, and bet sizing tells all can allow you to ignore your hole cards in alot of spots, or make exploitative bet sizing, and make money when the time is right to use them (which isn't every time you see something).

Fully maximizing the ability to do this requires paying close attention to every hand played at the table, which is something I was much better at in 2015 than in this year. I need to keep the phone/ipad covered up in 2017.

Also, there's not much more important than game/table selection.

Thats a big mistake.

Possibly, but the advice provided is pretty damn close to optimal. If anything, some of the advice recommended seems over aggressive in regards to PF raises with marginal hands against a field of loose players that don't fold often enough PF or after the flop. But usually the forum is pretty spot on about recommending the correct folds and not paying people off. You recently started a thread about folding AK PF (which I would have done in that spot given how bad the other players were at the table post flop so why risk losing your stack in a cooler situation) so I think you know the importance of playing tight.

My point is, there aren't really that many "plays" or creative moves you can make to earn more money at the low stakes tables other than plugging leaks (which usually means playing too many hands or calling too many bets post flop). I play pretty damn tight, but I am not so tight where I am not raising over limpers in late position with suited connector hands or folding pocket pairs with ridiculously good set mining odds.

That's why it seems really weird for someone to claim such large win rates. Like, are you calling raises from LAGs out of position and then floating or check raising their flop c-bets? Are you calling from the button with ATC hoping to put in a big raise on the turn against an OMC in a multiway pot? I mean, all of these plays can work in deep stack play, but they might bump up your winrate a couple dollars an hour. This is if you can even find deep stack games against scared money players who you can push around. Many, many, many players hit and run if they ever find themselves with a deep stack, so the only other players playing deep are other winning players or Laggy fish who can actually play pretty well against us deep.

I don't mean to side track off into strat discussion, but when someone claims a 20BB an hour win rate they have to be doin something way different than everybody else. I'm just speculating on what that could possibly be.

I'm no crusher, but I know a lot more goes into WR than knowing which hands to raise or fold or call with. DonkeyCopter already alluded to some of them ITT.

^ Yeah man, I'm pretty good at reading people too. But when you're playing 1/3 and you have opponents limp call a 75$ PF 3bet with 84dd, your live reads don't really matter anymore. It kinda just comes down to the cards. (Oh yeah, the flop came 244 so he stacked my QQ)

it's not

If your opponents are limp calling 25bb with 84s then you should comfortably be winning at a similar rate if not far higher than Donkeycopter. He outlined some good reasons why he feels he maintains a solid w/r.

Of course my opponents aren't regularly making this play, if they were I wouldn't even need to study any poker strategy beyond "Play Poker Like the Pro's". It just so happens the only time I have ever seen a hand that weak call a raise size that big, he hits a 1% flop to stack me. It may take years of play before I ever come see a situation like that come up again.

The point I am demonstrating is low stakes poker is "make a hand poker". Even if I had a "read" that this guy was limping in with ATC and that his hand is trash, wtf am I supposed to do with that read if he is willing to call $75 PF. All I can do is sigh and hope to pick up a value hand.

The example also illustrates that all it takes is one bad beat to cut your win rate down significantly in any 100 hour strecth. If you face a couple bad beats, you might not win a cent. Also, if you go card dead, your sh** out of luck too, you're not going to make any money that session.

Have you ever been sucked out on in a big pot? If you are playing higher stakes then it can literally take you months of full-time, 40 hours a week play to get your bankroll back to where it was. In case you didn't know, when your waiting hours to pick up a value hand and finally do, it's really, realy crippling to get sucked out on after all the money gets in.

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This will be the last thing I will say on this because I dont want to start a fight and get sent to the principals office, but if you think the strat advice given here is "pretty damned close to optimal" then its obvious why you are not winning as much as you would like.

There are some good posters in the strat forums of course, and Ive learned from some of them over the past year. Ive picked up a few things here and there and added them to my game, but the majority of posters are beginners to intermediate level as far as being experienced players and as far as how much they win. Very few top level players or actual pros who play 125-160+ hrs per month post here.

Nobody can sustain a 20BB/hr win rate so Im sure hes been running hot but hes clearly a very good player also. The problem around here is that anyone who posts a super high win rate is accused of lying about it instead of anyone actually trying to figure out what they are doing differently.

My mixed games W/R is pushing xxx/hr on 5/10+ PLO and 20/40+ stud. I wish these games ran more than NLHE.


I've never sustained 20bb/hr win-rates but I'm also not very good and some of my NLHE games are tougher than most American games.

Congrats!

7 bb/hr is tough. And since it sounds like you'll be playing a rather lol sample size this year, it's really just going to come down whether you run well.

Ggoodluck!G

Fantastic start!

Table selection will most likely have the single biggest affect on your lifetime rate, imo.

Ggoodluck!G