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Old 01-02-2017, 08:43 PM   #17451
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What would you guys recommend a good starting bank role for a rec player ? I can only really play two nights. (Live in Dallas and play at Winstar) I currently have 1200. Better to wait until I have $3000?

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This can't really be answered without knowing the blinds and min/max buy ins of the game you'll be playing in and whether you can afford to add more money to your BR if you go busto. If you can then play now till you run it up to an amount you feel has a comfortable risk of ruin and section it off from your life roll. If you can't replace it then I'd suggest saving up some more, even if it's only 1/2.
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Old 01-02-2017, 08:46 PM   #17452
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This can't really be answered without knowing the blinds and min/max buy ins of the game you'll be playing in and whether you can afford to add more money to your BR if you go busto. If you can then play now till you run it up to an amount you feel has a comfortable risk of ruin and section it off from your life roll. If you can't replace it then I'd suggest saving up some more, even if it's only 1/2.


I usually only play 1/2. But, thanks that's all I wanted to know.


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Old 01-02-2017, 09:10 PM   #17453
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Yeah, I play in a place that is mostly 1/2 and some 1/3 PLO. When traveling for tournaments I took a few shots at 5/10 and higher PLO. I lost a few 4-5k pots and a 10k pot where I had enormous equity, including a one outer for 5k and losing KK34 to KJA4 on KJ3r no backdoor flush possible.

re: bankroll, your non poker roll is pretty important here as well. How much does $1200 mean to you? Is this a weeks work, two weeks work or do you not have a job atm?
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Old 01-02-2017, 09:16 PM   #17454
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What would you guys recommend a good starting bank role for a rec player ? I can only really play two nights. (Live in Dallas and play at Winstar) I currently have 1200. Better to wait until I have $3000?

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Can you reload from your life roll whenever or not really? If not, I'd wait until you have at least 10x BI saved up. Tough to play your A game when you are two beats away from busto.
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Old 01-02-2017, 09:37 PM   #17455
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What would you guys recommend a good starting bank role for a rec player ? I can only really play two nights. (Live in Dallas and play at Winstar) I currently have 1200. Better to wait until I have $3000?

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Old 01-02-2017, 09:52 PM   #17456
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Bank rolls are for people who are trying to play without taking money from other sources.

If you want to save up enough so that you 'likely won't lose it' then $4k is often enough at 100bb buy ins for 1/2.
If are a losing player then it likely won't matter.
If you are winning player, how much are you willing to lose before you prove it to your self?

If you had 10k, would you stop after you dropped 5k? Would you stop after you dropped 7k?

Play with what you have, hope that you run at or above EV, and add on as needed.

Keep track. If you end up down too much, stop playing.
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Old 01-02-2017, 11:22 PM   #17457
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I'm interested in some kind of app that I could enter my stack size every hour or so. It would allow for kind of a session graph.

Wouldn't it also give a more realistic standard deviation/hr stat? I don't know enough about how stats work. Take two seemingly identical sessions. Say 4hr sessions both end +1buyin. The first I stack someone right away and pretty much hover around the same stack. The second example I get stuck a buyinthe first hour, win 3 buyins the second, stay about the same the third, then lose 1 buyin in the fourth hour. PokerJournal would show the same stdv/hr but that can't be correct(especially if you play long sessions like I do).
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Old 01-02-2017, 11:41 PM   #17458
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I'm interested in some kind of app that I could enter my stack size every hour or so. It would allow for kind of a session graph.

Wouldn't it also give a more realistic standard deviation/hr stat? I don't know enough about how stats work. Take two seemingly identical sessions. Say 4hr sessions both end +1buyin. The first I stack someone right away and pretty much hover around the same stack. The second example I get stuck a buyinthe first hour, win 3 buyins the second, stay about the same the third, then lose 1 buyin in the fourth hour. PokerJournal would show the same stdv/hr but that can't be correct(especially if you play long sessions like I do).
+1 someone build this app.
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:41 AM   #17459
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1/2: +8,106; 385 hours; 21.08/hr
1/3: +6,693; 79 hours; 84.54/hr
2/5: +16,528; 386 hours; 42.82/hr

Total: +31,207; 855 hours; 36.51/hr


Very happy with the year overall. Goal was 20k profit and full transition to 2/5, which were both achieved. Ran pretty good overall and improved a ton. Should be shot taking some T/T early in 2017 if I see good games. Not really setting any hard profit goals this year, but shooting for similar volume and continued better play and the profit will come.
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Old 01-03-2017, 07:02 AM   #17460
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Could a winning midstakes online reg(5bbs/100 at 200nl) beat South Florida $1kNL games for $75/hr? Is that winrate attainable?

I have about 100 hours at 500NL and I am up a significant amount, somewhere around 5k. Never sat 1kNL, though my 500NL game often plays 2-5-10 since there is a straddle almost every hand.
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Old 01-03-2017, 07:26 AM   #17461
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Could a winning midstakes online reg(5bbs/100 at 200nl) beat South Florida $1kNL games for $75/hr? Is that winrate attainable?

What site? I don't play in Florida but just remember you'd need win at 28bbs/100 to attain that hourly if we assume 27 hands/hr.
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Old 01-03-2017, 07:29 AM   #17462
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What site? I don't play in Florida but just remember you'd need win at 28bbs/100 to attain that hourly if we assume 27 hands/hr.
Ignition/Bovada and some other small unkown sites.
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Could a winning midstakes online reg(5bbs/100 at 200nl) beat South Florida $1kNL games for $75/hr? Is that winrate attainable?

I have about 100 hours at 500NL and I am up a significant amount, somewhere around 5k. Never sat 1kNL, though my 500NL game often plays 2-5-10 since there is a straddle almost every hand.
Yes. Especially if the game plays a little deeper.
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Old 01-03-2017, 08:51 AM   #17464
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I'm interested in some kind of app that I could enter my stack size every hour or so. It would allow for kind of a session graph.

Wouldn't it also give a more realistic standard deviation/hr stat? I don't know enough about how stats work. Take two seemingly identical sessions. Say 4hr sessions both end +1buyin. The first I stack someone right away and pretty much hover around the same stack. The second example I get stuck a buyinthe first hour, win 3 buyins the second, stay about the same the third, then lose 1 buyin in the fourth hour. PokerJournal would show the same stdv/hr but that can't be correct(especially if you play long sessions like I do).


Not trolling and I saw RPs response/back and forth with others, but why not just use excel on your phone? I know excel exists for iOS (or the generic version called "numbers" which is standard now with iOS I believe), and I would be shocked if android didn't have excel options too

Is it as easy as if an app was created for the specific purpose of doing this task and calculating everything? Obv not, but considering I don't think such an app exists, it's probably the next best solution. Even if you don't know excel, learning how to input the numbers is pretty basic and you could always come here (maybe not specifically this thread, but maybe, idk) and say you have a spreadsheet with a lot of data and ask if someone would be willing to sort it for you.
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Old 01-03-2017, 09:27 AM   #17465
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Could a winning midstakes online reg(5bbs/100 at 200nl) beat South Florida $1kNL games for $75/hr? Is that winrate attainable?

I have about 100 hours at 500NL and I am up a significant amount, somewhere around 5k. Never sat 1kNL, though my 500NL game often plays 2-5-10 since there is a straddle almost every hand.
Ive played about 100 hrs of 5/10 here in S. Florida recently. Nowhere near enough to figure out what my win rate will be, but enough to answer your question.

Based on my extensive 2/5 experience here (a fair amount of it against some of the same guys who play 5/10) and based on my limited 5/10 experience, my guess is that my win rate would be in that $75/hr range.

The game does play pretty deep for a capped game. Max buy in is $2K and most guys do buy in for the max so there's a good chunk of change on the table. The biggest problem is that there just arent very many games. There are about 8 poker rooms within a 1 hour radius but there's rarely more than 3-4 5/10 games going in total in all of the rooms. It would really tough to grind a bunch of hours steadily.

As far as what you can do here personally, other than playing micro stakes to teach my son, I havent played online since Black Friday so I dont know how tough 500NL is, but I assume its VERY tough. If you can beat that, you can beat 5/10 live as long as you can make the adjustments for live full ring games. $75/hr is not unreasonable at all for a tough player.
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Old 01-03-2017, 09:38 AM   #17466
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How much do you think a fair price for this app is? How many people would buy it?
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Old 01-03-2017, 11:50 AM   #17467
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A fair price would probably be a dollar, maybe 2 dollars, specifically for this feature but a company wouldn't charge that. The primary demographic for this app is a subset of a subset of a subset of all users so that will drive the price higher

All users
> subset: poker players
>> subset: poker who actually record data
>>> subset: poker players who care to record this specific data

We would have a better chance lobbying to the creators of already developed poker apps to add the feature, since it removes 1 subset and would give that product another function.
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:09 PM   #17468
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Could a winning midstakes online reg(5bbs/100 at 200nl) beat South Florida $1kNL games for $75/hr? Is that winrate attainable?
Search (I ****ing hate the search function fwiw) my recent posts in this thread for description of state of the games for sfla HS poker. I ranted a bunch within the last month.

The short answer is yes. Definitely.

The long answer is that there is a clear skill jump from 2/5 to 5/10. People have a clue at this level. That said, the biggest donors are also at this level. Most importantly, wannabe lags are at this level. They are for the most part not good but at the same time will put you in a lot of weird spots in a full ring no fold equity game where you would think your focus was vpiping with whales as much as possible.

Also, coming from an online background you might have some trouble adjusting to live variance/slowness. I lost 3 pots last month totalling ~$10k as a 70/30+. I played less than 900 hands.

That said, even if I was the best player in sfla I wouldn't play the 5/10 lineups as often as one would think.

If you PM me how to beat 6max $10NL i'll tell you everything you need to know about sfla.

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Old 01-03-2017, 12:11 PM   #17469
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I'm interested in some kind of app that I could enter my stack size every hour or so. It would allow for kind of a session graph.

Wouldn't it also give a more realistic standard deviation/hr stat? I don't know enough about how stats work. Take two seemingly identical sessions. Say 4hr sessions both end +1buyin. The first I stack someone right away and pretty much hover around the same stack. The second example I get stuck a buyinthe first hour, win 3 buyins the second, stay about the same the third, then lose 1 buyin in the fourth hour. PokerJournal would show the same stdv/hr but that can't be correct(especially if you play long sessions like I do).
Couldn't you just use your normal tracking app and say that each session ends every hour, and then restart a new session with your new stack size?
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:18 PM   #17470
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Search (I ****ing hate the search function fwiw) my recent posts in this thread for description of state of the games for sfla HS poker. I ranted a bunch within the last month.

The short answer is yes. Definitely.

The long answer is that there is a clear skill jump from 2/5 to 5/10. People have a clue at this level. That said, the biggest donors are also at this level. Most importantly, wannabe lags are at this level. They are for the most part not good but at the same time will put you in a lot of weird spots in a full ring no fold equity game where you would think your focus was vpiping with whales as much as possible.

Also, coming from an online background you might have some trouble adjusting to live variance/slowness. I lost 3 pots last month totalling ~$10k as a 70/30+. I played less than 1000 hands.

That said, even if I was the best player in sfla I wouldn't play the 5/10 lineups as often as one would think.

If you PM me how to beat 6max $10NL i'll tell you everything you need to know about sfla.
The regular morning Isle 5/10 game has moved to the Hard Rock which means that there are even less 5/10 players in one spot. Spreading them out makes the games worse IMO because there will be no table selection and the 5/10 game wont even be spread a lot of the time in either place.

Yesterday there was 1 5/10 game going and there was one semi soft spot in the game and a bunch of pretty good youngish tricky solid players. IMO those guys are just passing money back and forth depending on who is running good and they should just play 2/5 and crush.
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:30 PM   #17471
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Right Mike we are on the same page, I noticed that about the move to HR, do you know what happened?

Keeping the topic to winrates, it just seems really, really bad to split up a running game among rooms. Sure way to kill it entirely.

What I mean is two 5/10s at isle does not = one 5/10 at isle and one 5/10 at HR
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How much do you think a fair price for this app is? How many people would buy it?
If it's better than the other apps and has this feature, I'd prob pay <=~$20 for it. And I imagine every poker pro would too.
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:54 PM   #17473
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ime such an app would be would be more harmful than beneficial in the majority of poker players. Constantly measuring during-session variance would likely keep you hyper-aware of how you're doing at any given point in the session. Its bad to constantly be thinking "ok im up $500 I should tighten up", or "I'm stuck $1500 oh man I should do X" etc.

Of course thats not everybody, but it took me a VERY long time to not constantly be thinking about how my session is currently going (and frankly I still do it because theres just so much down-time in between hands its impossible to not think about it as I run out of things to think about) -- granted not to such the large degree I previously did

That being said, it does have some merits by being able to help pinpoint mental leaks during times in your session where you think you might have been "tilting" (i.e. during this period of time I was card dead so I elected to call much lighter then usual as it felt like the nuts given my hands in the last 3 hours, or during this period of time I was on a massive heater so I decided to overbet shove 2x pot despite I was repping nothing but I felt invincible at the time).

So, pros and cons to it. Idk, hard to say. I think theres a ton of benefit to studying how your preferences shift given your mental state during sessions.
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Could a winning midstakes online reg(5bbs/100 at 200nl) beat South Florida $1kNL games for $75/hr? Is that winrate attainable?



I have about 100 hours at 500NL and I am up a significant amount, somewhere around 5k. Never sat 1kNL, though my 500NL game often plays 2-5-10 since there is a straddle almost every hand.

Depends on if you've conquered how readable you are. If you can control your live tells (and even throw reverse ones) and play deep, live poker is more crushable.


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Keeping the topic to winrates, it just seems really, really bad to split up a running game among rooms. Sure way to kill it entirely.
The whole difference in my 2015 winrate versus my 2016 winrate, imo, was this. Having two neighbouring rooms with a single table running and no threat of another game running <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< having a single room with 3+ tables running.

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