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Old 01-01-2017, 09:05 PM   #17426
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It's funny, my WR in $/hr went up as my stakes moved from lowest to second lowest in a room (from 1/3 to 2/5). Probably due to my ability to both play deeper and villains increased bluffability at higher stakes...
Orrrrrr because you moved up?
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Old 01-01-2017, 09:07 PM   #17427
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Orrrrrr because you moved up?


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Old 01-01-2017, 09:16 PM   #17428
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Posted that wrong. Should be WR in bb/hr


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Ooh, likely sample size issue. But tbh 1/3 and 2/5, from my experience anyway, play pretty similar.
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Old 01-01-2017, 09:39 PM   #17429
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I generally think the reason people who have higher wr at 2/5 vs 1/2 or 1/3 is the games are deeper. A bad 1/2 or 1/3 game is often bad because the other 8 players have a total of $1k between them. This rarely happens at 2/5.
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:04 PM   #17430
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I generally think the reason people who have higher wr at 2/5 vs 1/2 or 1/3 is the games are deeper. A bad 1/2 or 1/3 game is often bad because the other 8 players have a total of $1k between them. This rarely happens at 2/5.
Conversely, shorter stacks generally play far worse than players with 100+bb stacks. IMO they're where the money is made.
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:14 PM   #17431
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Conversely, shorter stacks generally play far worse than players with 100+bb stacks. IMO they're where the money is made.
If you actually believe this is true im sure watching you table select would be quite hilarious

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Old 01-01-2017, 10:28 PM   #17432
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It can really go either way.
The nitty old dude nursing his $100 stack is going to be terrible for the game.
The degen who buys in for $100 and tries to run it up multiple times it great for the game.

In general, a deeper stacked game will favor a more skilled player, but as with most things in poker:
It depends.
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:30 PM   #17433
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I generally think the reason people who have higher wr at 2/5 vs 1/2 or 1/3 is the games are deeper. A bad 1/2 or 1/3 game is often bad because the other 8 players have a total of $1k between them. This rarely happens at 2/5.
I attribute it to 3 reasons. One is exactly what you pointed out.

1) Stack Depth. My edge increases as the game moves to 150-200bb and I'm pretty terrible at 20bb poker.
2) Boredom. I can far more easily slip into my D game at 1/3 vs level 1 opponents as boredom slips in. This used to be a big problem
3) Style vs. Opponents. Level 2 LAGs are my most profitable opponents and I run into more of them at 2/5, juicing my winrate.
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Old 01-02-2017, 12:50 PM   #17434
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(I like Feely's running tally of previous years, I'm going to attempt to do that moving forward)

gobbledygeek's 2016 @ 1/3 NL

2016: $19.82/hr (6.61 bb/hr) over 540 hours (58% session winning percentage)
2015: $7.90/hr (2.63 bb/hr) over 582 hours (59%)
2014: $20.62/hr (6.87 bb/hr) over 554 hours (65%)
2013: $35.48/hr (11.83 bb/hr) over 568 hours (75%)
2012: $31.18/hr (10.39 bb/hr) over 411 hours (72%)
2011: $25.88/hr (8.63 bb/hr) over 386 hours (73%)
2010: $26.43/hr (8.81 bb/hr) over 125 hours (65%)



Overall, I'm pleased with a bounce back year after a horrendous 2015. Some quick thoughts:

- the maximum rake increased by $1, so while I definitely didn't crush like years past, simply adding $3/hr to my hourly (which I'm assuming is the affect of a $1 rake increase) kinda puts me in the relative ballpark of where I was before

- had a fun little 3-12 stretch, my worse live stretch (although most of the losses were quite small and the overall downswing didn't even crack by top 3); for a pro, this is ~half a month; for a once-a-week rec player like myself, this was a ~3 month stretch (fun fun fun)

- the biggest difference between 2015 and 2016 was our poker room bouncing back; 2015 was mostly spent at the lone table running; but in 2016 a neighbouring room closed and another room downsized, which drove a lot of new action to our room where we often were able to get to the maximum 5 tables running by the pinnacle of the evening; however, I do believe the winfall (ETA: wow, turns out that word is actually "windfall", I never knew that!) will be short-lived as this poker market is definitely trending in the wrong direction overall

- here's my fave stat of the year: 81% of my profit came in 11% of my sessions, where I booked 7 300+bb wins out of my 64 sessions (noting that I didn't book a single 300+bb in 2015); pretty sure I've convinced myself that is a meaningless stat, I think...

My guess is that I would be very happy if I booked the same result in 2017, but I guess we'll see what happens.

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Old 01-02-2017, 04:39 PM   #17435
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Great results gg
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Old 01-02-2017, 04:42 PM   #17436
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Great results gg
Yeah, I'm settling nicely into an OMC expectation.

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Old 01-02-2017, 04:57 PM   #17437
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80% coming from 10% is interesting.
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Old 01-02-2017, 05:17 PM   #17438
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80% coming from 10% is interesting.
Tomato tomato. You can construct your "winnings" from any subset of sessions that you please. My best win in 2016 was a +$6k session which makes up a decent chunk of my YTD "net." But I could just as easily cancel out that 6k with losses and spread my net wins over a larger number of nondescript sessions.
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Old 01-02-2017, 05:17 PM   #17439
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I might have a similar stat, will look and compile later.

I feel like winning long term is just trying not to bleed too much in between massive heaters.
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Old 01-02-2017, 05:29 PM   #17440
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I might have a similar stat, will look and compile later.

I feel like winning long term is just trying not to bleed too much in between massive heaters.
I like this.
To bad I am awful at applying the tourniquet.

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Old 01-02-2017, 05:51 PM   #17441
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80% coming from 10% is interesting.
As others have said, I don't think it is?

I'm pretty sure I've convinced myself it is meaningless. Sometimes the run good that we will all experience is distributed in short bursts, other times it is evenly distributed over a longer period of time, but in the end from a universe away it will all look like an evenly distributed amount across our poker lifetime (lol at how meaningful that is tho?), sorta like the art of flopping and getting paid off on sets (where we'll go thru hot streaks and cold streaks and evenly distributed streaks).

But I could be convinced otherwise.

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Old 01-02-2017, 05:56 PM   #17442
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I feel like winning long term is just trying not to bleed too much in between massive heaters.
I really think is a large part of the difference between your typical loser and winner. The winner guts it out, steady and patient, thru good times and bad, with the discipline and willpower to trust and execute his system. The loser does fine during his heaters, but his wheels completely fall off in the non-heater times.

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Old 01-02-2017, 06:52 PM   #17443
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I really think is a large part of the difference between your typical loser and winner. The winner guts it out, steady and patient, thru good times and bad, with the discipline and willpower to trust and execute his system. The loser does fine during his heaters, but his wheels completely fall off in the non-heater times.

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Agree with this; you can see regs every single day at the tables who play just fine for hours and then start tilting because they're getting colddecked or get sucked out on.
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Old 01-02-2017, 07:16 PM   #17444
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Guys relax I said it was interesting not meaningful.

Life doesn't have any meaning, doesn't mean it's not interesting.
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Old 01-02-2017, 07:20 PM   #17445
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Guys relax I said it was interesting not meaningful.

Life doesn't have any meaning, doesn't mean it's not interesting.
Honestly, it does freak me out a little that the difference between last year's horrible 2015 and this year's decent 2016 was like half a dozen sessions.

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Old 01-02-2017, 07:53 PM   #17446
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Honestly, it does freak me out a little that the difference between last year's horrible 2015 and this year's decent 2016 was like half a dozen sessions.



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Wait til it becomes a handful of hands....


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Old 01-02-2017, 08:15 PM   #17447
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Whats a good app for Android and tracking cash sessions?
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Old 01-02-2017, 08:21 PM   #17448
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Whats a good app for Android and tracking cash sessions?
I don't have equal experience with all 3 and I have an iphone, but Poker Income's interface seems the more intuitive and easy to use for me.
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Old 01-02-2017, 08:27 PM   #17449
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What would you guys recommend a good starting bank role for a rec player ? I can only really play two nights. (Live in Dallas and play at Winstar) I currently have 1200. Better to wait until I have $3000?

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Old 01-02-2017, 08:30 PM   #17450
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use $300 buyins and keep a $300 stack starting at 3k and until you have around 7k
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