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Old 11-17-2016, 12:34 PM   #16851
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As far as the live casino poker scene being an energy suck/ depressing sight, it bothered me at first but as I change my mindset it becomes much easier to just accept. By mindset, I mean, to view being in the casino for what it is to me. It isn't about making friends, it isn't about being nice, and it isn't a therapy session to talk to people about your life or theirs. It's about money. Will some small % of players genuinely want to talk about their life or yours? Maybe, but an even smaller percentage of them are going to want to do that while losing money which is what most of them will inevitably do. I feel like for most people who are playing poker "professionally" whether in their head or in reality they are in an interesting/transition/lonely period in their lives. For most of us it is human to want to socialize and not feel like you are alone but that didn't help me at all except to serve as a delusion in reference to my emotional approach to navigating the live poker casino environment. But thats the problem, in the casino all there is is you, the money you win or lose and the decisions you make. The more hours I log, the more this idea sinks in and the easier it becomes to accept. I'm sure this idea has been repeated over the forums many times and is an extremely simple concept for many people on these forums but it took me a while to figure it out.
FWIW, I don't think this view is correct either. It is basically why young players come into poker rooms wearing hoodies and headphones, because they think the game is ONLY about winning money.
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Old 11-17-2016, 12:38 PM   #16852
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As far as the live casino poker scene being an energy suck/ depressing sight, it bothered me at first but as I change my mindset it becomes much easier to just accept. By mindset, I mean, to view being in the casino for what it is to me. It isn't about making friends, it isn't about being nice, and it isn't a therapy session to talk to people about your life or theirs. It's about money. Will some small % of players genuinely want to talk about their life or yours? Maybe, but an even smaller percentage of them are going to want to do that while losing money which is what most of them will inevitably do. I feel like for most people who are playing poker "professionally" whether in their head or in reality they are in an interesting/transition/lonely period in their lives. For most of us it is human to want to socialize and not feel like you are alone but that didn't help me at all except to serve as a delusion in reference to my emotional approach to navigating the live poker casino environment. But thats the problem, in the casino all there is is you, the money you win or lose and the decisions you make. The more hours I log, the more this idea sinks in and the easier it becomes to accept. I'm sure this idea has been repeated over the forums many times and is an extremely simple concept for many people on these forums but it took me a while to figure it out.
I don't think this is right. It can't be that going to play poker is about making money for most people, because most people lose money at the casino. It has to be about something else (social aspects, enjoying the game, getting away from the wife, etc.) I don't think all these people are deluding themselves into thinking they're winning tons of money. If you don't provide an environment where others get the non-monetary value out of poker, they won't keep playing.
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Old 11-17-2016, 01:21 PM   #16853
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And exclude the fish who buy in for 30-50BB try to run it up and end up buying in a bunch of times? No thanks. Those tools make up a significant portion of my player pool and my win rate.



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min at 1/2 here is 50bb but so much this, a lot of the 50bb players have 6 more 50bb bills in their wallet ready to go
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Old 11-17-2016, 01:32 PM   #16854
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Thankfully those players are generally terrible at playing short stack poker, and they make up a decent chunk of our winrates
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Old 11-17-2016, 01:44 PM   #16855
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It depends on what stakes you play at. I used to play at very high stakes where you would meet very interesting people whom you could learn from. Those games don't exist anymore. Much as in life you will have a better time independent of win rate spending your time with people who are better off.
If you don't believe that you have never met a typical 3-6 limit player most of whom think it's the dealer's fault that they always lose.
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I have limited exposure but the thing I like most about high stakes is people are more chill, at least ime. Better conversations, interesting backgrounds, etc.

Also they know the rules/flow of the game.

Dealer deals a premature burn and you might get some jokes about dealer always has a premature problem, or you might get some bets on whether same suit comes back out, etc.

Premature turn at 2/5 or lower equals heated arguing with the floor, yelling at the dealer, and disagreement for the next 2 hours between 4 players on what should have happened.

I have always told my gf that I feel most relaxed at high stakes, even though the money actually means alot to me at that level. I think this is a big reason why.

Not saying I don't like playing with people who don't even know the rules of the game, just that, I dunno, it grinds you down after awhile.
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I don't think this is right. It can't be that going to play poker is about making money for most people, because most people lose money at the casino. It has to be about something else (social aspects, enjoying the game, getting away from the wife, etc.) I don't think all these people are deluding themselves into thinking they're winning tons of money. If you don't provide an environment where others get the non-monetary value out of poker, they won't keep playing.
For someone playing full time I think money should be the number one goal. I'm not saying don't be social but to expect to gain from the social aspect of the poker room is setting yourself up for disappointment and distraction.
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Old 11-17-2016, 03:21 PM   #16857
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Well, I'm sorry you view poker in such a regard and are thus miserable, but I benefit greatly from the social aspect of poker. I genuinely have an amazing time laughing, joking around, and talking about various subjects with many at the table. And with a smaller player pool, I'm fairly good friends with a lot of them and have a genuine interest when they talk about whats going on in their lives.

Believe it or not, many people can easily afford to lose 30-50k/year happily for the sake of always having a social/fun environment.

This is getting fairly close to derail so I won't go too much into it, but I'll loosly tie it into w/r by stating that if everybody were to approach poker like you did, the game would become increasingly miserable for basically everybody (as opposed to only half of everybody) and live poker would die out (thus crippling w/r obv)

Another point is the hidden EV of people actually liking you. They give you way more action, will hold your seat, invite you to games, and most importantly they'll play shorthanded (or headsup) with you.
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Old 11-17-2016, 03:33 PM   #16858
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And if my full-time job is so miserable that I am only there for sole purpose of making money, then I really should find a new job.
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Old 11-17-2016, 03:54 PM   #16859
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That too.

I'm very confident I could be working towards a career that will net me much more $$$ lifetime, but I don't think I'd be as "net happy" with more money/less enjoyment than I would be with poker that might be less money but more enjoyment/freedom
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I don't think this is right. It can't be that going to play poker is about making money for most people, because most people lose money at the casino. It has to be about something else (social aspects, enjoying the game, getting away from the wife, etc.) I don't think all these people are deluding themselves into thinking they're winning tons of money. If you don't provide an environment where others get the non-monetary value out of poker, they won't keep playing.
For someone playing full time I think money should be the number one goal. When I say that I mean not to lose sight of why I am there. My biggest problem is that I get too involved and try to have a meaningful conversation with people and the fallout that occurs from that.I'm not saying don't be social but to expect to gain from the social aspect of the poker room is setting yourself up for disappointment and distraction the majority of the time and for me this is a weakness. For example, some people may seem like great people only later for them to angle you or be tremendously scummy later on. This happens on a regular basis for me. The more I realize not to give people the benefit of the doubt in the poker room the better off I feel I am.
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Old 11-17-2016, 05:05 PM   #16861
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And if my full-time job is so miserable that I am only there for sole purpose of making money, then I really should find a new job.
I'm guessing enjoying one's job is a relatively recent (in terms of human history) consideration, and even now a lot of people (most?) aren't fortunate enough to have that as too high a priority. Course, depends how far the pointer is on the miserable to tolerable scale.

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I'm guessing enjoying one's job is a relatively recent (in terms of human history) consideration, and even now a lot of people (most?) aren't fortunate enough to have that as too high a priority. Course, depends how far the pointer is on the miserable to tolerable scale.

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RP, when someone mentioned dealing with the energy suck you replied you can because you and other winners who tolerate it make tons of money.

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Old 11-17-2016, 10:28 PM   #16863
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Think about it this way, I lose about 35% of sessions every year. In my more active days, that's easily 100 sessions a year that I walked away a loser.

How do you think I deal with the environment in those 100 sessions?
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Well, I'm sorry you view poker in such a regard and are thus miserable, but I benefit greatly from the social aspect of poker. I genuinely have an amazing time laughing, joking around, and talking about various subjects with many at the table. And with a smaller player pool, I'm fairly good friends with a lot of them and have a genuine interest when they talk about whats going on in their lives.

Believe it or not, many people can easily afford to lose 30-50k/year happily for the sake of always having a social/fun environment.

This is getting fairly close to derail so I won't go too much into it, but I'll loosly tie it into w/r by stating that if everybody were to approach poker like you did, the game would become increasingly miserable for basically everybody (as opposed to only half of everybody) and live poker would die out (thus crippling w/r obv)

Another point is the hidden EV of people actually liking you. They give you way more action, will hold your seat, invite you to games, and most importantly they'll play shorthanded (or headsup) with you.

I agree and I wouldn't say I'm miserable. I'm very social and consider myself to be pretty likeable even though that doesn't mean much. I understand that the social aspect is important but money is number one. I am one of the few people in the room that is social and friendly whether I am crushing or getting crushed and I cannot say the same for 99% of the people I have ever encountered in a poker room. Saying that many people can afford to drop 30-50k in a poker room is a pretty gross over statement. The majority of players in a player pool probably can't afford to be playing in the first place. For me it's the social expectation of thinking the majority of the "connections" you have with people have any substance because the majority don't. For me at first, thinking they were genuine was and is a weakness. Now I know better and believe I am better because of it.
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I agree with 7weeks2days completely. Anyone who is a professional poker player HAS to look at it as a business, remain completely objective about spots and hands, and remain focused for very long sessions. If that means isolating yourself in a hoodie and headphones from the rest of the table, so be it.

Besides, maybe 1% of the people who play poker in casinos have anything to say worth listening to. I have no idea how any pro could "enjoy" listening to and talking with and joking around with the degenerates at a poker room. Most are incredibly dumb and uninteresting if you ask me.

Yeah, you can go to work and just focus on the money but this doesn't have to make you miserable. Plenty of people work jobs for the sole purpose of money. And it's also possible to have "fun" at the poker table without conversing with the degenerates. Winning a big pot, knowing you got max value, making a solid fold - all these things can be enjoyable feelings.

If you're a poker pro who is depressed or miserable, it's probably to do with what goes on away from the table/work.
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I agree with 7weeks2days completely. Anyone who is a professional poker player HAS to look at it as a business, remain completely objective about spots and hands, and remain focused for very long sessions. If that means isolating yourself in a hoodie and headphones from the rest of the table, so be it.

Besides, maybe 1% of the people who play poker in casinos have anything to say worth listening to. I have no idea how any pro could "enjoy" listening to and talking with and joking around with the degenerates at a poker room. Most are incredibly dumb and uninteresting if you ask me.

Yeah, you can go to work and just focus on the money but this doesn't have to make you miserable. Plenty of people work jobs for the sole purpose of money. And it's also possible to have "fun" at the poker table without conversing with the degenerates. Winning a big pot, knowing you got max value, making a solid fold - all these things can be enjoyable feelings.

If you're a poker pro who is depressed or miserable, it's probably to do with what goes on away from the table/work.
Thanks for the love but I do think hooding up and not being active socially in most games is a huge mistake as others have said. I just wanted to point out emotionally that trying to make any types of meaningful connections in a poker room is only going to make things more difficult 99% of the time. This was a weakness for me because I enjoy talking to other people but often times it just creates a bad situation because I would end up giving them the benefit of the doubt further down the line in a spot where it appears that they are trying to angle me in one way or another. Also, getting wrapped up in having meaningful conversations is not good in that it takes some degree of focus away from following the action.

If I had a dollar for every person I had a meaningful conversation with who's name I remembered but didn't remember me I would have a bunch of dollars. Not only that, but to take it a step further, if I had a dollar for every person who came off as nice but ended up being angling scum, I would have a boatload of $ as well. I understand that being social is important for your bottom line but to me it is more than that. I was trying to make a point about the poker environment as being the toxic emotional mind fug that it often can be. The fact that being social increases your bottom line is not the point. My problem that I tried to explain was that I thought that I could avoid falling into that toxic emotional trap by being genuine but so far I think that is a mistake because that can impact your bottom line in the worst way not just in terms of dollars but more importantly emotionally. I don't think its a coincidence that I put in a ton of volume the first couple months regardless of how I ran and as time passed I put in less and less. Now I think I have a better mindset where I can put in the volume and not let the toxic environment impact my emotional well being regardless of $ because I know what line not to cross on a social level most of the time.

I will continue being social on a shallow sh*t shooting level but I think its important to not take it too far and to keep in mind why you are in the casino in the first place. Do i think every player will have the same issue as me? No, but I do think it was an important mental gap for me to overcome especially at this point.
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Thanks for the love but I do think hooding up and not being active socially in most games is a huge mistake as others have said. I just wanted to point out emotionally that trying to make any types of meaningful connections in a poker room is only going to make things more difficult 99% of the time. This was a weakness for me because I enjoy talking to other people but often times it just creates a bad situation because I would end up giving them the benefit of the doubt further down the line in a spot where it appears that they are trying to angle me in one way or another. Also, getting wrapped up in having meaningful conversations is not good in that it takes some degree of focus away from following the action.

If I had a dollar for every person I had a meaningful conversation with who's name I remembered but didn't remember me I would have a bunch of dollars. Not only that, but to take it a step further, if I had a dollar for every person who came off as nice but ended up being angling scum, I would have a boatload of $ as well. I understand that being social is important for your bottom line but to me it is more than that. I was trying to make a point about the poker environment as being the toxic emotional mind fug that it often can be. The fact that being social increases your bottom line is not the point. My problem that I tried to explain was that I thought that I could avoid falling into that toxic emotional trap by being genuine but so far I think that is a mistake because that can impact your bottom line in the worst way not just in terms of dollars but more importantly emotionally. I don't think its a coincidence that I put in a ton of volume the first couple months regardless of how I ran and as time passed I put in less and less. Now I think I have a better mindset where I can put in the volume and not let the toxic environment impact my emotional well being regardless of $ because I know what line not to cross on a social level most of the time.

I will continue being social on a shallow sh*t shooting level but I think its important to not take it too far and to keep in mind why you are in the casino in the first place. Do i think every player will have the same issue as me? No, but I do think it was an important mental gap for me to overcome especially at this point.
+1. I think this is a much better post than your initial one.
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+1. I think this is a much better post than your initial one.
Yeah I basically just ramble a lot most of the time but every once in a while I articulate my thoughts in a way that it isn't confusing nonsense.
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Besides, maybe 1% of the people who play poker in casinos have anything to say worth listening to. I have no idea how any pro could "enjoy" listening to and talking with and joking around with the degenerates at a poker room. Most are incredibly dumb and uninteresting if you ask me.
My 2 cents;

Very much doubt it is possible to last in this game year after year after year if you feel this way. Maybe if poker is just a part time hobby that generates a bit of extra cash. But if someone wants to do this full-time and feels this way, it would make for a miserable life.

I find most people incredibly interesting, even dumb degenerates. Actually degens even more so. Always amazes me to learn how they think.

Reminds me of a saying I've heard in the motorcycle world. An idiot behind you is dangerous. An idiot in front of you is entertainment.

To me the ones you like least are entertainment.

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The goal of a pro should be to entertain the fish. Make sure they have an enjoyable experience even when they are losing. Talk with them. Make connections. Build rapport. most people come to a casino to "escape." So take off your hoodies. Unplug your headphones. Stop berating the "regular degens." Make sure they recs and regs have fun and keep coming back so that, us pros, can continue making a living and getting our rent/mortgage paid.
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The goal of a pro should be to entertain the fish. Make sure they have an enjoyable experience even when they are losing. Talk with them. Make connections. Build rapport. most people come to a casino to "escape." So take off your hoodies. Unplug your headphones. Stop berating the "regular degens." Make sure they recs and regs have fun and keep coming back so that, us pros, can continue making a living and getting our rent/mortgage paid.
If you have to make an effort to do a lot of things such as entertaining people and making connections, then chances are you would probably appear to be standoffish or even worse when you go through downswings.

As a rec player, you can simply choose to only play when you are in a positive mood, but as a pro, you don't have that choice.

FWIW, I believe that you should just try be yourself and do things without forcing them.

Just my 2 cents. I have had a lot of experience dealing with different people in poker rooms.
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Old 11-18-2016, 01:41 PM   #16872
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I see this sentiment expressed again and again in these forums and I don't like the way it's expressed for the following reasons:

1. It implies that you view other people as tools to be used and not as ends in themselves.

2. It implies that when you are being social, you are really faking it because you have an ulterior motive.

At the most basic level you want to be polite and sociable towards other people not because it's good for your bottom line- although it probably is- but because you want to be a decent human being.

To this, there are objections. "People are stupid and uninteresting". "People at the casino are deceptive". "I need to protect myself".

The first thing I would point out is that the above statements are limiting beliefs of the same nature as the ones bad players possess when they say stuff like "I never win with AA" or "I am never raising QQ because I lose when I do".

One problem with limiting beliefs is that that they are based on bad logic and generalizations from a small sample size. The other problem is that they are self-fullfining and you end up seeing what you wanted to see in the first place.

This is how I would amend the above statements: "Some people are stupid and uninteresting, but some are smart and very interesting. Even if they are stupid and uninteresting, they still deserve my respect until they disrespect me or do something bad".

Or "some people are deceiving, but also some people are honest and trustworthy. Until I figure which is which, I will refrain from giving them my full trust, while remaining open to getting to know them better."

But again, be careful of how you frame your interactions with other people. If you adopt the framing of fakery and dishonesty, you will also be very susceptible to developing a very cynical and negative view of the world. This is not a healthy mentality to have.
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If you are playing poker for a living, these other players are your livelihood. Of course you have an ulterior motive and view them as tools to an end

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FWIW, everyone has their own way of rationalizing things. So if one way works for you, all the power to you.
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I see this sentiment expressed again and again in these forums and I don't like the way it's expressed for the following reasons:

1. It implies that you view other people as tools to be used and not as ends in themselves.

2. It implies that when you are being social, you are really faking it because you have an ulterior motive.

At the most basic level you want to be polite and sociable towards other people not because it's good for your bottom line- although it probably is- but because you want to be a decent human being.

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But again, be careful of how you frame your interactions with other people. If you adopt the framing of fakery and dishonesty, you will also be very susceptible to developing a very cynical and negative view of the world. This is not a healthy mentality to have.
I agree with this take on it. My personal life rule #2 is "Try not to be a dick", which extends to the poker table. It helps to be friendly with the other players, partly to keep them in the game and happy, partly to get yourself invited to home games (where the real action is), and also just because you're not a douchebag. Most people can detect when you're faking being nice to them and reject it.

A poker table is a unique cross-section of the population. You meet drug dealers, cops, used car salesmen, executives, construction workers, pro athletes, and everything else under the sun. And everyone's equal at the table. There are plently of interesting things to chat about if you want. In smaller player pools it's also a *great* social network of people you wouldn't otherwise know. From playing in my local game I've got connections to a mechanic that'll give me a break, a tow truck guy, a ticket guy that's always got football/hockey tickets to sell, a lawyer, and a diamond guy, among others.
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