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Old 08-09-2016, 09:10 PM   #16026
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What roid body builder was trying to say was that if you can't win the hand, bluff, and if you get caught, it's good, because bluffs add EV to your value hands.

So when you have good hands, you get max value.

Kind of like if you only count your winning sessions, there is literally zero variance.
Sigh. Its like getting in AA versus KK. Yes AA loses 1 every 5 times, but the spot is so profitable we can basically say its variance free.

Same with raising the 50 year old white woman on the turn when she nervously bets $35 into $125 pot and she has $450 behind her. She's never calling your raise without a set. Your raise is "printing" money even though 1 time in 10 she has a set.

Believe it or not. Some people are actually good at poker and make money at this game.
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Old 08-09-2016, 09:53 PM   #16027
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Wait til Garrick gets back.
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Old 08-09-2016, 10:22 PM   #16028
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If all you guys have is a joint account and not a separate bank account in your name then you're seriously doing it wrong. Being with someone who's looking over your shoulder monitoring how you spend your money sounds like hell / not the way to spend life.

You guys really need another mommy to make sure you are budgeting right / spending your money wisely?

You guys have to share one bank account in order to stay on the same page? Have you ever tried communicating with your other half for starters?

Where is the trust? Apparently there is none if you feel the need to monitor / keep tabs on everything that each other
buys.

Irt to having no clue how typical families live- well if you're the typical family that lives pay check to pay check, beating back a mountain of credit card bills, barely being able to afford your mortgage, and incapable of scrounging up $1000 in case of an emergency... Why the **** are you even thinking about gambling?
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Old 08-09-2016, 10:40 PM   #16029
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Trust? Again, you are out of touch bud. It's got nothing to do with trust. I think it's perfectly fine to have seperate accounts, but you are kidding yourself if you Think that's the norm.

It's great if you both make a comparable income and have enough disposable income that you can both just do your own thing, but it's not realistic for a lot of people, and you are once again coming across like an *******.

I make a very comfortable wage, and my wife stays at home with our child, and watches another child 5 days per week for pay, and quite frankly works a hell of a lot harder than me, but her pay is not comparable to mine, should I have her on an allowance oh wise one? I'm happy to say that we have the trust and confidence in our relationship to have joint finances as a FAMILY.
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Old 08-09-2016, 10:52 PM   #16030
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In b4 lecture on why u shouldn't have kids.
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Old 08-09-2016, 10:56 PM   #16031
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If all you guys have is a joint account and not a separate bank account in your name then you're seriously doing it wrong. Being with someone who's looking over your shoulder monitoring how you spend your money sounds like hell / not the way to spend life.

You guys really need another mommy to make sure you are budgeting right / spending your money wisely?

You guys have to share one bank account in order to stay on the same page? Have you ever tried communicating with your other half for starters?

Where is the trust? Apparently there is none if you feel the need to monitor / keep tabs on everything that each other
buys.

Irt to having no clue how typical families live- well if you're the typical family that lives pay check to pay check, beating back a mountain of credit card bills, barely being able to afford your mortgage, and incapable of scrounging up $1000 in case of an emergency... Why the **** are you even thinking about gambling?

u mad sis?
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:05 PM   #16032
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I have joint finances with my wife (only single account is my poker account and her eBay account) and it works fine for us but it's not like it's the height of craziness to have separate accounts either.
We each have our own accounts and a joint one. We each get paid into our own account and have automatic transfers into the joint for our agreed upon amounts that cover the major expenses. That way we don't need to see each other's frivolous spending on stuff we think is stupid/wasteful.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:05 PM   #16033
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Nah not mad. Just incredulous that some people actually live like that.

The concept that you can be married, have a family and still on some level have financial independence / privacy is not a new concept.

My parents did this. And my grandparents on my moms side did this as well. This isn't a brand new concept / idea being thrown around.

Edit: Dubey- I'm not saying a lot of families aren't capable / have to monitor like crazy etc.

What I do find crazy is that there are people on this forum who are in this situation who are lol gambling with money they can't lose

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Old 08-09-2016, 11:08 PM   #16034
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We each have our own accounts and a joint one. We each get paid into our own account and have automatic transfers into the joint for our agreed upon amounts that cover the major expenses. That way we don't need to see each other's frivolous spending on stuff we think is stupid/wasteful.
That seems the most reasonable to me.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:25 PM   #16035
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If all you guys have is a joint account and not a separate bank account in your name then you're seriously doing it wrong. Being with someone who's looking over your shoulder monitoring how you spend your money sounds like hell / not the way to spend life.
Well, what I did was marry someone who doesn't pore over bank statements scrutinizing how I've spent every dollar. My wife forgot her password to access our joint account online for over a year, and she wasn't for a second sweating what was going on in there.

I think it takes a bit of projection to automatically equate having a joint account to having some despot lording over your wallet.

Doesn't mean having no separate account is best and not saying there aren't marriages where your assumptions would apply, but you seem to be filling in the massive blanks of what you don't know about people's situations with worst-case-scenarios.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:32 PM   #16036
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Can you really blame her for wanting to make the world a better place?
I blame her every morning I open my eyes and have to face a new day. Between you and me, I haven't actually locked that deadbolt in two years.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:49 PM   #16037
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I think you misunderstood what I said. Having a joint account isn't a bad idea. However, having a joint account without each half having their own personal account IS a bad idea.

You guys have already filled in the blanks by asking questions like how do you married grinders manage your bankroll and the responses that followed

Unless you're playing 5/10+ all the time , swinging around significant amounts of money, being married and managing your poker br should be a moot point.

Edit: I remember his has been brought up in the past about how some SOs only allow their other half to play poker if they get a cut / taken out to eat or whatever which sounds incredibly controlling / unhealthy.

I mean when these guys wives go out shopping do they pull the same **** and say I only approve of you buy me something too?

This is just one of the many reasons why not having personal, private bank accounts is a bad idea and could put strain on a relationship

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Old 08-09-2016, 11:51 PM   #16038
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Old 08-10-2016, 12:20 AM   #16039
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I don't understand why you are equating joint finances with broke and can't afford to gamble? No idea why you are making that connection.

Having a budget does not mean broke or living pay check to pay check.
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Old 08-10-2016, 12:56 AM   #16040
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Man you're so lost. I suggest you go back and re read everything again.

I didn't make any connection that joint finances = broke / can't gamble. Nor did I ever say that having a budget means a person is broke or is living pay check to pay check. Where did I explicitly say that?

You got a little annoyed and called me a name because you think I'm being condescending. You then made a snarky comment that I don't know how a typical family operates (and by doing so you implied you were part of the " typical family").

Well- I hate to break it to you but the typical family is "broke" living pay check to pay check, under a mountain of credit card debt / bills, and cannot even scrape $1000 for an emergency fund.

IMO- if someone is in the situation above then it should be pretty obvious they can't afford / it is extremely unwise and irresponsible to gamble.
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Old 08-10-2016, 01:36 AM   #16041
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LOL...wait, it's really sad actually, shouldn't laugh.
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Old 08-10-2016, 01:37 AM   #16042
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If you can't even trust the one you're married to, good luck having any meaningful relationship in life.
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Old 08-10-2016, 02:14 AM   #16043
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Man you're so lost. I suggest you go back and re read everything again.

I didn't make any connection that joint finances = broke / can't gamble. Nor did I ever say that having a budget means a person is broke or is living pay check to pay check. Where did I explicitly say that?
Ooooooh, I get it now. I'm embarrassed that it took me this long to understand.

You see, Siculamente is one of those posters who jumps in with a scattershot of hot takes, and when you try to nail down exactly what it means or how it relates to what we were talking about before, he just says we're misinterpreting him and he was referring to some other comment that he can't be arsed to point to specifically, and as we all circle around trying to tackle the greased pig that is his ostensible point, some people inevitably lose their patience with this maddening exercise and starts piss-taking and name-calling and the conversation devolves into the 2p2 equivalent of YouTube comments.

You can all move along now. August 9th has already slipped through our grasp, but we can still hold onto tomorrow.
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Old 08-10-2016, 03:04 AM   #16044
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I think Playbig makes some good points in this thread.

And, Mike, I've said this before, and I'm not gonna hammer you on it, but 1000 hours can easily be a heater. I've had many such heaters (and many such downswings) of that length or longer online back in the day. Why to you think so many "unbeatable pros" just up and disappear?

That being said, this type of hand is not usually in my raising range from either blind preflop. I generally tend to polarize my blind raises to monsters and hands I would rather not call with (ie. junk hands), so I also understand some of your points, Mike.

I definitely agree with Playbig that I'm mostly targeting players with my raises who will tend to call preflop and play face up (and fit and fold) post. However, I also don't mind grabbing the limps. Those can add a nice padding to the old winrate.
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Old 08-10-2016, 03:18 AM   #16045
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You guys really need another mommy to make sure you are budgeting right / spending your money wisely?
What if I told you that I'm the one who insists on a budget? Jeezus creeps I guess gamblers are just the last people to talk to about wealth building.
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Old 08-10-2016, 07:15 AM   #16046
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Just make more money and then you don't have to worry as much about budgets and such


I'm busy not caring



Lol this guy....STFU Zoltan
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Old 08-10-2016, 08:20 AM   #16047
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You idiots are going to get us locked up again.

If husband and wife are happy and bills are being paid who's to say how it should be done? There's more than one way.


I still have 12.5BI stuffed in my sock drawer in case the wife goes looking to spend it on pedicures.
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Old 08-10-2016, 08:20 AM   #16048
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Old 08-10-2016, 08:53 AM   #16049
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I think Playbig makes some good points in this thread.

And, Mike, I've said this before, and I'm not gonna hammer you on it, but 1000 hours can easily be a heater. I've had many such heaters (and many such downswings) of that length or longer online back in the day. Why to you think so many "unbeatable pros" just up and disappear?

That being said, this type of hand is not usually in my raising range from either blind preflop. I generally tend to polarize my blind raises to monsters and hands I would rather not call with (ie. junk hands), so I also understand some of your points, Mike.

I definitely agree with Playbig that I'm mostly targeting players with my raises who will tend to call preflop and play face up (and fit and fold) post. However, I also don't mind grabbing the limps. Those can add a nice padding to the old winrate.
My variance is very very low which is another reason I have such confidence in my results. My StnDev is only 5.5 times my win rate. I havent found a single person yet that has a lower ratio. Most good players ratios are double to triple that. People here told me I was on a heater at 200 hours. They said it again at 500 hours. Now I'm at 900+ and my win rate has been consistent and almost exactly the same since this whole time. Hardly anyone else here will even give out their numbers....but they sure dont mind giving out their HH advice like its the gospel.

It would be very interesting if there was a way to have every posters verified win rate by listed with their screen name.
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Old 08-10-2016, 09:02 AM   #16050
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no. I am trying to point out to someone who has been bragging about his phenomenal unheard of win rate that the hands he posts and the questions he is asking just don't add up to a win rate better than some of the best pro's in the game.
Maybe focus on what you're doing instead of worrying about everyone else's win/losing rates.

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