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Old 08-07-2016, 03:42 AM   #15926
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Literally all of western Canada is just printing money, although this year has had less stupid 10/25 and 25/50 games.
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Old 08-07-2016, 05:03 AM   #15927
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I have played Saturdays for 138 hours out of 585 hours this year for a total of six dollars in profit
It's getting to the point where I'm thinking of taking Saturday's completely off. Saturday's f*cking bloooooooooow compared to weeknights if you have a skill edge over the room.

All the fishies buying in short hamstrings the sh*t out of your play. Can't see as many flops with speculative hands. Can't 3bet without KK+. Cant make any moves post-flop. Don't win as big of pots when you hit a set since stacks are so shallow, and also don't get the right odds to set mine since stacks are so shallow. The presence of these shorties also make action players tighten up a bit since even they intuitively know that they cant bluff optimally post flop or that they wont get implied odds to chase with their J8 offsuit.

Sure, sometimes you stack the shorties when you have a premium and they have to make desperate shoves pre or on the flop. But, this is based on you being dealt cards. If you go card dead, you are f*cked.

Also, you are much more likely to have multiple shorthanded tables on a Saturday night. This means getting a table change is more difficult if your particular table sucks since the floor has to fill in seats.

On weeknights, there's always atleast one full table where everyone is 200bb deep. Sure, they are mostly regs. But once you have reads on the regs you can crush them with less variance than you would a fish. Lose a decent sized pot? No sweat. You can reload without being hit and run from a weekend recreational player who is going to cash out as soon as they get up over 50BB's for their session.

I play professionally and managing tilt is a big part of being a pro. It seems that Saturday's consistently get me feeling frustrated way more than any other day.

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Old 08-07-2016, 12:22 PM   #15928
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If you are a nit, any non-aggressive game is tough to make a profit.
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Old 08-07-2016, 12:53 PM   #15929
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It's not about being whipped. If I had a normal job, my paycheck and her paycheck would all go to the same account. As it is, I would not be a good partner if I were to gamble for a living and keep all my money to myself while we have a household to maintain.

But I wouldn't expect someone who views themselves destined for lifelong bachelorhood to understand the teamwork required to make a marriage work.

I do not envy the guys in the poker room with nobody that loves them to go home to.

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No one here I think questions the need for sharing the burdens of a household or the benefits of a relationship.

There are two things that sound dissonant however. The one is that you give your wife the winnings so that she will manage it. I don't know how people manage their common money together and a woman should be respected, but I think that overcompensates.

The second is that the system you described is -as you probably see for yourself- in substance far less fair than it appears. You re not even giving her half of your net winnings. You re giving her half of your gross winnings. In effect, you re giving her the majority of your net winnings. Under certain circumstances, it's conceivable you could find yourself giving her money even while you re losing. That ain't right.
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Old 08-07-2016, 01:52 PM   #15930
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Maybe I didn't do a good job of explaining my situation. Let me clarify. The money I "give" to my wife goes to our common account. Liferoll money, if you will. She does not have sole control of that money. It is ours. We both benefit from that money. It pays bills we share. Her paycheck goes to that account as well. We are on a strict budget that is equitable to us both.

The money I keep is strictly off-budget poker bankroll money. It is not "my" money any more than the liferoll is "my" money. It is simply operating capital for my poker venture.

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Old 08-07-2016, 01:56 PM   #15931
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I do not envy the guys in the poker room with nobody that loves them to go home to.

Damn. That was deep. Can't argue with you there.

brb ganna go try to buy a wife online, I got a 50k budget.
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Old 08-07-2016, 02:11 PM   #15932
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Maybe I didn't do a good job of explaining my situation. Let me clarify. The money I "give" to my wife goes to our common account. Liferoll money, if you will. She does not have sole control of that money. It is ours. We both benefit from that money. It pays bills we share. Her paycheck goes to that account as well. We are on a strict budget that is equitable to us both.

The money I keep is strictly off-budget poker bankroll money. It is not "my" money any more than the liferoll is "my" money. It is simply operating capital for my poker venture.

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If that's the case, it's more efficient to set aside an amount as bankroll like let's say 30 BIs and every cent above that should be going to the joint bank account. If you go on a downswing nothing should be going to the bank account. If that downswing gets deep enough, you both should be ready to replenish the bankroll from your bank account.

If, as I suspect- you re trying to increase your bankroll- because you want to move up stakes or it's not where it should be, you should assign yourself a conservative hourly and then deposit monthly on the bank account based on the hours you ve worked and a percentage of the hourly. That's more fair than giving half of your winnings.

In general, as is common knowledge here, poker income isn't steady income; it has a ton of ebbs and flows. So all strategies should be aimed at normalizing the inevitable variance.
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Old 08-07-2016, 02:48 PM   #15933
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My situation is way different than someone who plays for a living. My wife is waaay less concerned about the money than the time. And my man was right. A single person isn't going to understand that struggle.
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Old 08-07-2016, 02:49 PM   #15934
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All the fishies buying in short hamstrings the sh*t out of your play. Can't see as many flops with speculative hands. Can't 3bet without KK+. Cant make any moves post-flop. Don't win as big of pots when you hit a set since stacks are so shallow, and also don't get the right odds to set mine since stacks are so shallow. The presence of these shorties also make action players tighten up a bit since even they intuitively know that they cant bluff optimally post flop or that they wont get implied odds to chase with their J8 offsuit.

Sure, sometimes you stack the shorties when you have a premium and they have to make desperate shoves pre or on the flop. But, this is based on you being dealt cards. If you go card dead, you are f*cked.

Also, you are much more likely to have multiple shorthanded tables on a Saturday night. This means getting a table change is more difficult if your particular table sucks since the floor has to fill in seats.

On weeknights, there's always atleast one full table where everyone is 200bb deep. Sure, they are mostly regs. But once you have reads on the regs you can crush them with less variance than you would a fish. Lose a decent sized pot? No sweat. You can reload without being hit and run from a weekend recreational player who is going to cash out as soon as they get up over 50BB's for their session.

I play professionally and managing tilt is a big part of being a pro. It seems that Saturday's consistently get me feeling frustrated way more than any other day.
Seems like a case of FPS. You're looking to "make moves" instead of just winning money.

Passive shorties are easy to pummel into oblivion. They tend to do stupid things like limp/fold, or limp/call and then fold on the flop when they miss. So just hammer them with bets/raises. If/when one of them finally decides to come over the top on a flop with their $25 shove/raise you'll be getting a decent price with just about anything.

Is it fancy? No.

Do you win $300 pots this way? No.

Will you steal $30/hr from them $1 at a time? Yes.
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Old 08-07-2016, 03:06 PM   #15935
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Lost back 23k in plo so i guess im a hold em player again

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Old 08-07-2016, 03:54 PM   #15936
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I do not envy the guys in the poker room with nobody that loves them to go home to.
I have dogs.

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No one here I think questions the need for sharing the burdens of a household or the benefits of a relationship.
That's not a need, and most relationships tend to have more negatives than positives.

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My situation is way different than someone who plays for a living. My wife is waaay less concerned about the money than the time. And my man was right. A single person isn't going to understand that struggle.
A good husband would give up his poker addiction.

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Seems like a case of FPS. You're looking to "make moves" instead of just winning money.
His point is valid though. Saturday games are so soft that they can tie the hands of the best players and force them to play a more vanilla style which relies heavily on showdown value. The discrepancy in winrates between a mediocre player and a good player is going to be much closer in games like this as opposed to a weekday games where good players are going to win a lot of money without showdown (and with less variance).

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Lost back 23k in plo so i guess im a hold em player again
It happens.
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Old 08-07-2016, 03:58 PM   #15937
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His point is valid though. Saturday games are so soft that they can tie the hands of the best players and force them to play a more vanilla style which relies heavily on showdown value. The discrepancy in winrates between a mediocre player and a good player is going to be much closer in games like this as opposed to a weekday games where good players are going to win a lot of money without showdown (and with less variance).
A good player adapts to the table. A mediocre one only has one style and has trouble in different games.
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Old 08-07-2016, 03:59 PM   #15938
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Lost back 23k in plo so i guess im a hold em player again

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What's the reseller market like for mini coopers?
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Old 08-07-2016, 04:04 PM   #15939
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Lost back 23k in plo so i guess im a hold em player again

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Sorry for your loss. Hopefully you can look critically at those PLO hands you posted and realize how awful some of them were. Gl






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Lol this guy....STFU Zoltan
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Old 08-07-2016, 04:33 PM   #15940
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A good player adapts to the table. A mediocre one only has one style and has trouble in different games.
Of course. The point still stands though.
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Old 08-07-2016, 04:58 PM   #15941
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Are you married dreamcather? If not you are not really in any position to comment. I mean like at all. And if you are then you should understand that getting married doesn't mean you give up the things that make you happy.
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Old 08-07-2016, 05:08 PM   #15942
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A good husband would give up his poker addiction.

This is kinda lol. What's the difference if someone spends they're leisure time playing poker, golfing, video gaming, or any of the thousands of other activities possible?



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Are you married dreamcather? If not you are not really in any position to comment. I mean like at all. And if you are then you should understand that getting married doesn't mean you give up the things that make you happy.

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Old 08-07-2016, 05:14 PM   #15943
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You guys know DC is, like, 75% troll material, right?
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Old 08-07-2016, 06:11 PM   #15944
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You guys know DC is, like, 75% troll material, right?

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Old 08-07-2016, 06:52 PM   #15945
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You guys know DC is, like, 75% troll material, right?
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Old 08-07-2016, 07:10 PM   #15946
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Is $6000 enough to play a 1/2 plo game with a negligible risk of ruin if you're the best player in the game?

There would be a 1/2 nlhe game as an option too, but it would not be nearly as good because the worst players from hold em start the Omaha game.
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Old 08-07-2016, 07:15 PM   #15947
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Is $6000 enough to play a 1/2 plo game with a negligible risk of ruin if you're the best player in the game?

There would be a 1/2 nlhe game as an option too, but it would not be nearly as good because the worst players from hold em start the Omaha game.


Depends on depth of the game, edge, play style, and style of the other players


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Old 08-07-2016, 07:30 PM   #15948
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Player is buying in for $200. Some players will have over $1000. Others will have $500 ish. Everyone will always have at least $200-300. Already said best player at the table. Play style would be relatively tight, folding without huge hands to most aggression given the tendencies of the other players in the game, and only stabbing against certain players. Other player styles are really passive preflop with people only raising AAxx and some people not even raising that. People immediately assume someone has a flush even in heads up play if one runs out. People way overvalue hands like low flushes, flushes on paired boards, low sets...
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Old 08-07-2016, 07:52 PM   #15949
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My wife is waaay less concerned about the money than the time.
+1,000 for me.

Have a healthy hourly and playing part time has given us a lot of extra disposable income, but wife doesn't care.

First world problem; I'm lucky enough to have decent career in IT. She compares my poker hourly to my day job. I'd need to crush 5/10 or bigger for that comparison to be close. Doesn't matter that I'm happy with low stress fun money from hobby I enjoy.



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Old 08-07-2016, 08:11 PM   #15950
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Depends on how deep the game plays and how crazy they are. In my PLO 10k probably isn't enough.
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