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Old 08-03-2016, 06:26 PM   #15876
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I now have 9.5BI.

Realized last night that the correct play for me for a while now should be to stand up everytime I double up.

But who does that.
Some do. Most people aren't paying attention anyway. If a grinder notices he'll just think your fishy, which isn't a bad thing.
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Old 08-03-2016, 07:07 PM   #15877
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What do you guys think is an attainable winrate in a 1/2 game that has hands like this occur somewhat routinely.

3 limps to H who raises to 15 in HJ with 99. 5 callers.

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UTG leads 40. Folds to H who raises to 100. Folds to UTG who reraises to 200 all in. Turn 3 river 8. V shows JTo.
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Old 08-03-2016, 07:21 PM   #15878
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A million bazillion dollars per hour. What a ridiculous question.
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Old 08-03-2016, 07:22 PM   #15879
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High enough for me to buy a plane ticket, where is this game?
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Old 08-03-2016, 07:31 PM   #15880
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Bout tree fiddy ldo

But I haven't figured out if I'd be winning more from hero or villain
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Old 08-03-2016, 07:39 PM   #15881
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That's not even one of the better ones. 500 Eff. Player raises to 10. Gets 3! to 35 by small blind. Flop comes 357 no spade. Sb open shoves. Other player tanks and flips over JsQs. Calls it off. Sb flips over ATo. Turn brick. River Jack. QJ guy says he called because he was "hunting that guy".
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Old 08-03-2016, 07:43 PM   #15882
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longitude/latitude or it didnt happen
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Old 08-03-2016, 07:45 PM   #15883
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That's not even one of the better ones. 500 Eff. Player raises to 10. Gets 3! to 35 by small blind. Flop comes 357 no spade. Sb open shoves. Other player tanks and flips over JsQs. Calls it off. Sb flips over ATo. Turn brick. River Jack. QJ guy says he called because he was "hunting that guy".
Now hes hunting for an ATM
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Old 08-03-2016, 08:41 PM   #15884
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I was in a game last night where a guy was betting $500 blind pre and then shoving flops/turns for $10k+ (500bbs+) with any piece of the flop (ie K9 on a K77 board). In one hand a player doubled up through him by calling turn shove with 66 on JTT9 board (river blanked).
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Old 08-03-2016, 09:05 PM   #15885
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I was in a game last night where a guy was betting $500 blind pre and then shoving flops/turns for $10k+ (500bbs+) with any piece of the flop (ie K9 on a K77 board). In one hand a player doubled up through him by calling turn shove with 66 on JTT9 board (river blanked).
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Old 08-04-2016, 12:22 AM   #15886
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I now have 11 BI.


Once again successfully limp shoved 50BB with AAxx in RxR and held vs. two others. This is worked for me 4 times now.

It's like my only move in that game.
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Old 08-04-2016, 12:24 AM   #15887
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I'm so jealous of everyone saying how soft and beatable their 1/2 games are... the talk at my 1/2 table (only Poker room within an hour) is how XXX casino in Alberta is super soft, or stuff like that... The people for the most part during the week are complete regs that often know each other or at least play against each other often, and I see a lot of the young ones talking strat away from the table.

I like to think of myself as a decent player, but a decent player is not going to walk in and start beating this 1/2 game...

Soooo.... I'm off to become better than decent and put together a big enough BR to handle the variance
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Old 08-04-2016, 01:55 AM   #15888
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Given the current environment of poker, if you cannot beat bunch of regs, you cannot beat poker.
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Old 08-04-2016, 02:42 AM   #15889
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Yeah but if 'reg' literally just means 'people who play a lot of poker', then most 'regs' I play could also be called 'fish'.
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Old 08-04-2016, 06:10 AM   #15890
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Not sure why posters make such a big deal about weekends but I don't think they are any more profitable than a weekday. Evenings and graveyard hours are much more significant than day of the week.

The thing about weekends is that, sure it brings more rec players, but many of these recs only buy in for small amounts and many play a weak passive style that doesn't lead to many large pots. Also, the fish are disturbed throughout many tables in the room. On a random Tuesday where there are only a few tables running, you can get 4-5 mega fish all in one table. Plus, the fact that they are at a casino on a Tuesday rather than a weekend makes them the kind of fish of the degenerate quality, and not a weekend warrior middle aged woman who sucks but plays like a nit.


Geez your local room must stink
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Old 08-04-2016, 07:52 AM   #15891
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Geez your local room must stink
I said that weekends aren't any better; I didn't say they weren't highly profitable. They're still highly profitable, cus every day of the week is highly profitable if you can adjust.

I'm not potitive, but I feel like the certain posters that claim weekends as better are the type of ABC regs that are waiting to stack fish with sets versus TPTK or stacking inexperienced players with AA versus QQ preflop. Cooler situations where they make way more money from fish then a fish would against them in the same spot. Yes, playing aginst these fish are juicy, but if you go card dead then you are sh*t out of luck and the variance can be tiliting since you are limited to only playing the top 10% of hands, and you can easily go 8 hours without being dealt a premium and 50 hours without flopping a set.

The truth is, there is just as much money to be made from abc regs, especially regs who play deep. There are tons of steals that can be made in position, light 3betting, semibluffing big draws. If you are not an aggressive player than you are not capturing this money and are over reliant on playing in a game with donks who are going to pay you off when they are crushed.
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Old 08-04-2016, 08:17 AM   #15892
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In my area it's almost all donks waiting to pay you off no matter when you play so your adjustments would get you killed. The only difference day of the week makes is % that are drunk.
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Old 08-04-2016, 08:58 AM   #15893
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I said that weekends aren't any better; I didn't say they weren't highly profitable. They're still highly profitable, cus every day of the week is highly profitable if you can adjust.

I'm not potitive, but I feel like the certain posters that claim weekends as better are the type of ABC regs that are waiting to stack fish with sets versus TPTK or stacking inexperienced players with AA versus QQ preflop. Cooler situations where they make way more money from fish then a fish would against them in the same spot. Yes, playing aginst these fish are juicy, but if you go card dead then you are sh*t out of luck and the variance can be tiliting since you are limited to only playing the top 10% of hands, and you can easily go 8 hours without being dealt a premium and 50 hours without flopping a set.

The truth is, there is just as much money to be made from abc regs, especially regs who play deep. There are tons of steals that can be made in position, light 3betting, semibluffing big draws. If you are not an aggressive player than you are not capturing this money and are over reliant on playing in a game with donks who are going to pay you off when they are crushed.
I think if you took a poll, the results would be that Im the most NON-ABC regular poster in the strat forums and I will say there's no doubt in my mind that weekends are softer most everywhere I play.

How can the weekends not be softer? All the normal working stiff type guys who play poker once or twice a month are playing. They are not very experienced and not very good.
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Old 08-04-2016, 09:47 AM   #15894
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I think if you took a poll, the results would be that Im the most NON-ABC regular poster in the strat forums and I will say there's no doubt in my mind that weekends are softer most everywhere I play.



How can the weekends not be softer? All the normal working stiff type guys who play poker once or twice a month are playing. They are not very experienced and not very good.


I play a lot online on the legal US sites (a lot for someone with a job that is poker pro). I play with many players who are regulars and terrible. then I go play live at several different casinos with people who say they play online on the same sites I play on, they also are terrible.

Point of my story is that players, by in large, are just terrible, regardless of how much they play poker
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Old 08-04-2016, 09:51 AM   #15895
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players, by in large, are just terrible

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Old 08-04-2016, 10:00 AM   #15896
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I play a lot online on the legal US sites (a lot for someone with a job that is poker pro). I play with many players who are regulars and terrible. then I go play live at several different casinos with people who say they play online on the same sites I play on, they also are terrible.

Point of my story is that players, by in large, are just terrible, regardless of how much they play poker
Agreed. but there are different levels of terribleness. I have over 400 hours during the week and over 400 hours on weekends. My weekend win rate is just about exactly double my weekday win rate.

Anyone who plays only weekends and thinks they can go pro, better put in some serious weekday hours first because there's no way they will make what they think they will make playing full time if theyve only played weekends.
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Old 08-04-2016, 10:23 AM   #15897
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Play Vegas on Tuesday. Then play on Saturday.
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Old 08-04-2016, 10:47 AM   #15898
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800 hour update. All 1/2 and 1/3, about half Vegas:

Total Hours |Total Profit| Hourly
798.13 | $47,995.00 | $60.13
Sick Graph!! What was your biggest downswing in this sample? I imagine you must be playing in some of the uncapped games or $500 max $1/$3?

Solid results bro. Very inspiring. Also, move up!!
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Old 08-04-2016, 11:03 AM   #15899
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Sick Graph!! What was your biggest downswing in this sample? I imagine you must be playing in some of the uncapped games or $500 max $1/$3?

Solid results bro. Very inspiring. Also, move up!!
Biggest downswing was about $2k. I'm always buying in $300. The biggest reason that the game I'm normally playing in plays deep is that when players go broke they generally rebuy repetitively, and winners rarely hit and run, increasing average stacks on the table.

I have about 100 marginally profitable hours at 2/5 and am down about 3k in 40 hours of 5/10.
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Agreed. but there are different levels of terribleness. I have over 400 hours during the week and over 400 hours on weekends. My weekend win rate is just about exactly double my weekday win rate.



Anyone who plays only weekends and thinks they can go pro, better put in some serious weekday hours first because there's no way they will make what they think they will make playing full time if theyve only played weekends.


I defiantly agree. Due diligence should be an important aspect of most major descisions in life




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I play a lot online on the legal US sites (a lot for someone with a job that is not poker pro). I play with many players who are regulars and terrible. then I go play live at several different casinos with people who say they play online on the same sites I play on, they also are terrible.

Point of my story is that players, by in large, are just terrible, regardless of how much they play poker


Fixed my own post
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