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Old 07-27-2016, 09:49 AM   #15801
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91 sessions in 2 months...
has to be multiple double session days?...or maybe he started a new log session if he table changed?
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Old 07-27-2016, 10:03 AM   #15802
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has to be multiple double session days?...or maybe he started a new log session if he table changed?


Or he exported his sessions into a csv file, added session in the spreadsheet manually and the imported them back in, causing RunGood to double count session, which is will do
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Old 07-27-2016, 11:16 AM   #15803
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Hey guys.. These are my stats from live 1/3 over last 2 months... Is this below, at or above average? Need some feedback tysm



Solid results, and way to bounce back from the brutal downswing.

Anything in the positives shouldn't be underappreciated. Whether you are above average / below average totally depends on the game you are playing in. If it's a tough game, these are outstanding top notch results. If it's an easy game, then perhaps not outstanding. But it's also only 500 hours, and so far you're winning at a good clip.

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Old 07-27-2016, 11:31 AM   #15804
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When I was grinding 1/2 my longest 2 month stretch was ~550 hours, so I don't doubt that its real.

Yes, it is a lot. But back then it didnt feel like working at all and was still new and exciting. I can still put in long sessions but get burnt out after a few days and have no drive to just put in these insane 70+hr weeks anymore.
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Old 07-27-2016, 11:32 AM   #15805
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It's actually 2.5 months to be precise. And I've been playing almost everyday.

I used to start/stop sessions multiple times in a day sometimes, or play a little of 2/5, hence the 91 sessions.

I actually feel I could do a lot better if it were not for 1 or 2 mega-spew sessions of $1-1.5k.

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Old 07-27-2016, 11:32 AM   #15806
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Hey guys.. These are my stats from live 1/3 over last 2 months... Is this below, at or above average? Need some feedback tysm
Very impressive, where do you play?

I've heard around $10-15 an hour playing 1/2 or 1/3 means you're on the right track. Great job.
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Old 07-27-2016, 11:35 AM   #15807
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It's actually 2.5 months to be precise. And I've been playing almost everyday.

I used to start/stop sessions multiple times in a day sometimes, or play a little of 2/5, hence the 91 sessions.

cool! it is good results! and yes to battle back from that big downswing is most impressive...keep it up!
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Old 07-27-2016, 02:30 PM   #15808
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When I was grinding 1/2 my longest 2 month stretch was ~550 hours, so I don't doubt that its real.

Yes, it is a lot. But back then it didnt feel like working at all and was still new and exciting. I can still put in long sessions but get burnt out after a few days and have no drive to just put in these insane 70+hr weeks anymore.
I think balance is important. I put in 35-45 hours a week right now and feel fresh and motivated every time I play. Take random days off all the time to mentally recharge. Seeing the outdoors plenty, working out, hiking etc.

I couldn't imagine playing 70+ hours unless I was in the midst of a 25 BB/hr heater.
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Old 07-27-2016, 09:15 PM   #15809
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Good advice! But i just feel like when the table is good and im still playing good, i dont know why i should leave!!

I just feel like its more important to leave if im feeling too tired and playing poorly like after playing 10hours+ raising all broadways from all position to get action haha or just do stupid move
Most people just consider how good the table is. It's good that you recognize that your own play is the other key factor.

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The thing I found out (after+6000hrs live play) is that you can play badly, sometimes very badly, and not really realize it till later when you reflect on it from a clean mind.
This is extremely important. Learn to recognize when you are playing less than optimal (either tilty or tired). This is very difficult. It can also be even more difficult to quit a great game.

As for stop losses, some people use them and some people don't. However to say they don't have a purpose is ridiculous. Without stop losses there is no way I could have survived as a full time poker player. Others can, but with my style and my tendencies, I would have blown through all my moneys quick.
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Old 07-27-2016, 09:38 PM   #15810
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I think balance is important. I put in 35-45 hours a week right now and feel fresh and motivated every time I play. Take random days off all the time to mentally recharge. Seeing the outdoors plenty, working out, hiking etc.



I couldn't imagine playing 70+ hours unless I was in the midst of a 25 BB/hr heater.

yeah just read his PAHWM's
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Old 07-28-2016, 09:18 AM   #15811
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Hi all

I am just wondering what winrate a decent online player should expect to make live? If I can beat nl50 online should I be able to beat nl200 live?

Cheers all
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Old 07-28-2016, 10:12 AM   #15812
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You should be easily +EV at 1/2 with a solid winrate, probably > 10bb/hr without much effort

You're probably good at 2/5 too if you can handle having a $500 loss in a hand rather than a $50 one.

Depending how much you beat 50nl for, what casinos you go to, comfort level, blah blah, there's a chance you could beat 5T too

Easiest thing to do is start at 1/2, play it until your comfortable and move up when your roll allows it. Rinse/repeat
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Old 07-28-2016, 11:06 AM   #15813
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Old 07-28-2016, 11:34 AM   #15814
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I am just wondering what winrate a decent online player should expect to make live? If I can beat nl50 online should I be able to beat nl200 live?



Cheers all

Should be no prob assuming you make necessary adjustments which may take a hundred hours or so. More if you are stubborn.
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Old 07-28-2016, 12:12 PM   #15815
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Hi all

I am just wondering what winrate a decent online player should expect to make live? If I can beat nl50 online should I be able to beat nl200 live?

Cheers all
If you are smart enough and understand poker well enough to beat $50NL online, you are also smart enough to beat $2/$5 NL live. However, if you play live the same way you play online, you will get killed. Its a totally different game and Ive seen countless young online guys with all the confidence in the world get pummeled playing live and I never see them again.

Take it slow, make the proper adjustments which you should have no problem doing as along as you understand that there ARE adjustments to be made and you will do just fine.

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Old 07-28-2016, 12:29 PM   #15816
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Yup.

If you understand *why* you should take certain lines in certain situations online, you can adapt to the different ranges and player tendencies that are present in a live game and crush. If you've just learned wrote memorization of actions you'll get destroyed.
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Old 07-28-2016, 12:54 PM   #15817
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The thing I found out (after+6000hrs live play)
6000hr live giraffe would be awesome (probably setting a record in this thread?).

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Old 07-28-2016, 12:56 PM   #15818
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You should be easily +EV at 1/2 with a solid winrate, probably > 10bb/hr without much effort
I know this magic number gets tossed around a lot, but I actually don't see *that* many significant hour giraffes here with this result.

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Old 07-28-2016, 01:00 PM   #15819
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$20/hr is way too much to hope for when we're talking about a new player over a significant sample.

I would also like to see a 6k hour plot.
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:06 PM   #15820
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$20/hr over long period in 1/2 is impossible for the simple fact that no one that good would remain at that stake.

Casual player that burns few hours a week can probably maintain that rate, but it would take a very special player pool for anyone to want to mingle in a 1/2 game over long extended period of time, even if it is profitable.
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:06 PM   #15821
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Im at 5$/hr over 110 hours! Still learning!

+1 for the 6k hours graph !

Inb4: " im not keeping track of my results, im just a casual player who played 6000hours"

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Old 07-28-2016, 01:28 PM   #15822
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If I can beat nl50 online should I be able to beat nl200 live?
Not necessarily. You will need to make adjustments. After Black Friday many online players failed to make the necessary adjustments to successfully transition to the live game. From a technical standpoint you will be far superior than your opponents (which could make you overconfident). Still you won't understand all the nuances of live play to play optimally right off the bat.

The biggest struggle that I think most online players have with live is that it's extremely S L O W..ie around 25 hands an hour. It's difficult to stay disciplined waiting for hands while the mouthbreathers are playing so many hands.
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:29 PM   #15823
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$20/hr over long period in 1/2 is impossible for the simple fact that no one that good would remain at that stake.

Casual player that burns few hours a week can probably maintain that rate, but it would take a very special player pool for anyone to want to mingle in a 1/2 game over long extended period of time, even if it is profitable.
Not everyone has higher stake options. And some people actually enjoy playing LLSNL, and winning at that clip is probably just an extra bonus.

Still, 10bb/hr "without much effort" paints too rosy a picture.

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Old 07-28-2016, 01:30 PM   #15824
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$20/hr over long period in 1/2 is impossible for the simple fact that no one that good would remain at that stake.
Already proven wrong in this thread. wj94
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:33 PM   #15825
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The biggest struggle that I think most online players have with live is that it's extremely S L O W..ie around 25 hands an hour. It's difficult to stay disciplined waiting for hands while the mouthbreathers are playing so many hands.
And you also have to be able to deal with the maddening fact that as the game becomes even better the number of hands per hour plummets.

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