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Old 05-15-2012, 04:07 AM   #1551
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^ I didn't mean it that way.

I meant that Oregon seems like a pretty sparsely populated, kind of rural state. Plus the economic environment is bad in the USA right now. All this generally will hurt the poker environment since people generally have less disposable income that can go towards gambling/play. That explains why the games are nitty/shortstacked and no one is gambling much.

I kind of feel your pain, because I can tell that you enjoy poker (as most of us do) and you'd like to have the ability to play in a decent game, but the games in your area simply just suck. Its like forcing someone who loves skiing to spend a winter in Texas or Arizona or something..

I don't know what I'd do in your spot. Maybe try to organize a home game? Ask the casino if they can have a 1/2 "deep stack" game running where min buy in is 100BB?
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Old 05-15-2012, 10:32 AM   #1552
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Its not really in the casinos best interest to spread a new game. In order for the game to keep running there needs to be fish, but playing deep stack they will go broke much faster.
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:29 PM   #1553
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^ I didn't mean it that way.

I meant that Oregon seems like a pretty sparsely populated, kind of rural state. Plus the economic environment is bad in the USA right now. All this generally will hurt the poker environment since people generally have less disposable income that can go towards gambling/play. That explains why the games are nitty/shortstacked and no one is gambling much.

I kind of feel your pain, because I can tell that you enjoy poker (as most of us do) and you'd like to have the ability to play in a decent game, but the games in your area simply just suck. Its like forcing someone who loves skiing to spend a winter in Texas or Arizona or something..

I don't know what I'd do in your spot. Maybe try to organize a home game? Ask the casino if they can have a 1/2 "deep stack" game running where min buy in is 100BB?
I want to be able to play in good games that run around the clock. I want to be able to sit down and play 8-10 hours a day, 5 days a week. Show up, get on a good game immediately, earn money, and go home. Pretty simple.

I've asked, and people simply don't want to play "a new game". No one has shown enough interest. Twice the casino has changed a short 5-10 into a 2-5 no cap which sucks imo. The 5-10 players are deep (2,500+) and it sucks some of the weaker 2-5 players into the game and they get absolutely slaughtered and it makes them never want to play 2-5 again.

I don't know what to do.
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:36 PM   #1554
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are the 5/10 players really that solid?

just because they are playing bigger and deeper does not always mean they are good.
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:42 PM   #1555
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Dependa where you play, always expect 3-4 solid, players
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:54 PM   #1556
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^ usually "solid" means they read a book and play TAGish... harder to get value from than from fish, but they still don't put you into tough situations

play 250+ BB deep and put them to difficult decisions for lots of money.
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Old 05-15-2012, 03:25 PM   #1557
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^ usually "solid" means they read a book and play TAGish... harder to get value from than from fish, but they still don't put you into tough situations

play 250+ BB deep and put them to difficult decisions for lots of money.
I definitely agree with that strategy, but there is still the issue of having fish to worry about. Playing with better than average competition increases variance.
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Old 05-15-2012, 03:50 PM   #1558
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My definition of solid is capable of tag and big bluffs
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Old 05-16-2012, 06:33 PM   #1559
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For those of you who follow the 20 BI rule for moving up: if the max BI for a 2/5 game is 1k would you move up when your roll is 10k or 20k?

Personally, I don't like to have 10% of my roll on any given table and also I hate buying in short if several stacks are deep.
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Old 05-16-2012, 06:59 PM   #1560
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movee up...TO 2/5 or FROM 2/5 to 5/10?

if you're not in some kind of rush move up when you are more rolled. it just feels so good to be very well rolled for the games you play.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:42 PM   #1561
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2/5 @ 10k and buy in for 300... But only if you want a higher hourly than everyone buying in for 1k
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:47 PM   #1562
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movee up...TO 2/5 or FROM 2/5 to 5/10?

if you're not in some kind of rush move up when you are more rolled. it just feels so good to be very well rolled for the games you play.
Sorry, moving up from 1/2 to 2/5. No rush to move up, but would like to take shots at some point before being "fully" rolled.

I would like to at least have most the table covered when I sit down but I imagine average stacks vary from 100-200 bbs at the 2/5 level. Hence if I'm going off of the max BI for 2/5 I think I'd be more comfortable with a $20k roll.
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Old 05-17-2012, 12:29 AM   #1563
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A $10k roll for 2/5 is not enough if poker is your only income. I was playing 2/5 NL for a living for almost 3 years with a $10k bankroll and in the entire 3 years I never had a downswing of more the 7 buy-ins. So I thought a bankroll of $10k(20 buy-ins) was more then enough.

Life was good.then one day I just started losing, bad beat after bad beat. After a downswing of over 3 months straight and non-stop losing I went broke.

So I would recommend a $20k bankroll for 2/5 because it's not a matter of 'if' but a matter of 'when' ana giant downswing will happen for you, and you have to be prepared.

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Old 05-17-2012, 12:50 AM   #1564
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10k is plenty for 2/5 you guys are crazy.
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Old 05-17-2012, 01:18 AM   #1565
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Start taking shots at 8k
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Old 05-17-2012, 01:50 AM   #1566
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30buyins imo. but what do I know.

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Old 05-17-2012, 01:53 AM   #1567
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You guys are ridiculous.

Having a "bankroll" is so player dependent, in actuality all you need is a few buyins in your pocket.

If you are living off poker then you obviously want to have 1 million dollars, but for most people that not feasible.


A good number is 50 buyins if you want to take it seriously, this is what credible sources have reccomended.
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Old 05-17-2012, 02:07 AM   #1568
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A $10k roll for 2/5 is not enough if poker is your only income. I was playing 2/5 NL for a living for almost 3 years with a $10k bankroll and in the entire 3 years I never had a downswing of more the 7 buy-ins. So I thought a bankroll of $10k(20 buy-ins) was more then enough.

Life was good.then one day I just started losing, bad beat after bad beat. After a downswing of over 3 months straight and non-stop losing I went broke.

So I would recommend a $20k bankroll for 2/5 because it's not a matter of 'if' but a matter of 'when' ana giant downswing will happen for you, and you have to be prepared.
Drop down before you get to the point of busto. And how do you play for 3years without adding to your br
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Old 05-18-2012, 05:07 PM   #1569
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Drop down before you get to the point of busto. And how do you play for 3years without adding to your br
hookers and blow obv. its easy to spend what you make.
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Old 05-19-2012, 01:01 PM   #1570
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If you go on a 20BI downswing at 2/5 you are not a winning player.
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Old 05-19-2012, 08:01 PM   #1571
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If you go on a 20BI downswing at 2/5 you are not a winning player.
How so?

Since I started playing 2/5 for a living over 2 years ago I have logged 3,457 hours of play and have a profit of $80k averaging $23/hr without ever having a downswing of more then 7 buy-ins ($3,500)

Then I lost my entire bankroll of over $10k pretty much all at once, booking losing session after losing session with a win here and there.
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Old 05-19-2012, 08:33 PM   #1572
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There had to be a lot of spew in there. What was the timeframe you lost 10k in?

Tilt issues/etc...

23$/hr is quite the low end as well.
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Old 05-19-2012, 08:42 PM   #1573
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If you have read any of payoffwizard's threads you would know that there is no way he played 2/5 professionally lol
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Old 05-19-2012, 09:45 PM   #1574
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There had to be a lot of spew in there. What was the timeframe you lost 10k in?

Tilt issues/etc...

23$/hr is quite the low end as well.
Actually during my downswing, I think I was playing the best poker of my life, there was absolutely zero tilt, no spew, and my reads where dead on, I just kept getting sucked out on like 90% of the time.

I know $23/hr is pretty low but I was playing pretty tight and cautious. Also I play at Horseshoe Hammond which is in my opinion one of the toughest casino's anywhere. Especially 2/5 that is the hardest game since it's filled with winning players.
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Old 05-19-2012, 09:46 PM   #1575
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I would say the 2/5 NL at the Horseshoe in Chicago is the toughest 2/5 game in the country
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