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Old 04-25-2012, 03:26 PM   #1526
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Thanks for the advice guys. It is greatly appreciated.
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:34 PM   #1527
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This thread has too many brag posts. We need some balancing up in here.

<---- 1/2 NL -$25/hour over past 70 hours.

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take 1.5k and take a shot. by in for 60-80bb and just play tight solid poker while you get used to the new game and regs. maybe play a couple of 1/2 sessions before with the intention of just playing straightforward. cbet a little less, open a little tighter, pass up on small edges, etc to get a feel for how you're going play 2/5.

obv this is not how you intend to play when you move up however it can kinda work as a defense mechanism from leveling yourself at a higher limit which is pretty common when moving up. the games will be a little more aggressive but that does not mean everyone's trying to make a move on you.

+8k means the roll is like 10k right? That's enough for 16 2/5 100bb BI with a reserve of 10 1/2 100bb BI.

You could have taken a shot a long time ago. Screw SS, be a man =P
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:43 PM   #1528
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2/5 is mot hard get out of 1/2
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:36 PM   #1529
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I'm teeter-tottering on the idea of moving up in stakes, but always tend to be conservative. My thought has always been that if I cannot max-buy into a game and feel comfortable bluffing the entire buy-in if the situation calls for it, then I shouldn't be sitting. Note: I rarely ever make huge bluffs, but I feel I should be comfortable doing so in order to be sitting at that table.

1/2

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$33.94/hr
I like this way of looking at it. By the way, 17 bb per hour is crushing it. 247 hours isnt a huge sample size, and you must be running well, but id move up if i were you. Btw, 10 bb per hour is crushing it, from what i have read in forums.
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Old 04-25-2012, 07:19 PM   #1530
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That's funny because I've been wearing a backpack lately too haha. But I don't wear hats anymore.
Whats in the bag?!
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Old 04-25-2012, 07:46 PM   #1531
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DaBowskii what do you look like? Do you play at the Bike exclusively? If you see me there, I'm easy to spot. I'm the Asian guy.

My current hourly at 5-5 is ~$255.......over 13hrs
LOL nice quit before the law of averages takes its toll haha.
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Old 04-25-2012, 08:10 PM   #1532
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Old 05-13-2012, 11:45 PM   #1533
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Heres the brutal truth. I hate to say it. But i'm not as good as I thought I was.

Total hours: 514
Average hour: $12.93
After gas and travel time its less than $9/hour. Gross.

Stats by stake:
1/2nl: 349 hours, $15.76/hour, 78 sessions, 53 winning, 24 losing, 1 break even
1/3nl: 92 hours, $2.03/ hour, 33 sessions, 19 winning, 14 losing
2/5nl: 73 hours, $16.58/hour, 16 sessions, 12 winning, 4 losing

Stats by location:
Poker clubs: 376 hours, $9.71/hour, 85 sessions, 56 winning, 28 losing, 1 break-even
Casino: 138 hours, $21.68/hour, 43 sessions, 28 winning, 15 losing

SINCE APRIL: 150 hours, 44 sessions, (3.40)/hour, 25 winning, 19 losing.

HELP ME. Is this normal? I can count up for maybe 3 buyins of spew or mistakes but theres probably more. Is it the location i'm playing in?

Does anyone play in Oregon? More specifically Spirit Mountain? I'd like to compare stats shoot me a pm if you do.
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Old 05-14-2012, 02:13 AM   #1534
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1/2 19 hours +860 over kentucky derby weekend
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Old 05-14-2012, 02:17 AM   #1535
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Old 05-14-2012, 06:01 AM   #1536
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1-3, 2-3, 5-5 NLHE -750 100 hours. Finally pulling out of a sick downswing (Down nearly 25% of my roll at 60 hours) at 2-3/5-5.


2/5/5/5 PLO -200 3.5 hours. Played with casino regs at Oceans. Way softer action at Bicycle Casino.
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:23 AM   #1537
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I succeeded in dropping like 2k in 24 hours at vegas this last weekend, biggest swing since I started playing live (lol 4 buy ins a "swing") but it still pisses me off.
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:58 AM   #1538
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Hi, first post.

At the end of last year I began taking poker seriously, in February I began playing almost daily (I'm trying to hit 22 sessions a month).

My question is about the max buy in and hourly rates.

My local casino has a 1/2 buy in of $100-$500 and a 1/2/5 buy in of $200 to $1000. All with a $3 rake plus $1 jackpot drop. The 1/2 competition is the same as any other 1/2 competition. Pretty sweet right?

From reading this thread, and seeing first hand the 1/2 competition level, it seems like beating the 1/2 for 8-10 bb/hour is attainable with talent and hard work. That equates to $16 to $20 an hour.

At this casino, on a good weekend night, this 1/2 game can see average stacks get up to 600 to 800 with a couple players sitting with nearly 2k. Last night, a Sunday, we were playing 5 handed with stacks of about 150, 500, 500, 800, and over 2000.

How uncommon is a max buyin of $500 on a 1/2 game?

How does the hourly rate get affected when the game plays this deep? With variance, I would think that doing better than 20bb/hr is not likely, but the hourly rate has to increase since there is so much more money on the table than in a standard $200 max buy in 1/2 game. How does this add up?

Thanks.
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Old 05-14-2012, 10:45 AM   #1539
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Heres the brutal truth. I hate to say it. But i'm not as good as I thought I was.

Total hours: 514
Average hour: $12.93
After gas and travel time its less than $9/hour. Gross.

Stats by stake:
1/2nl: 349 hours, $15.76/hour, 78 sessions, 53 winning, 24 losing, 1 break even
1/3nl: 92 hours, $2.03/ hour, 33 sessions, 19 winning, 14 losing
2/5nl: 73 hours, $16.58/hour, 16 sessions, 12 winning, 4 losing

Stats by location:
Poker clubs: 376 hours, $9.71/hour, 85 sessions, 56 winning, 28 losing, 1 break-even
Casino: 138 hours, $21.68/hour, 43 sessions, 28 winning, 15 losing

SINCE APRIL: 150 hours, 44 sessions, (3.40)/hour, 25 winning, 19 losing.

HELP ME. Is this normal? I can count up for maybe 3 buyins of spew or mistakes but theres probably more. Is it the location i'm playing in?

Does anyone play in Oregon? More specifically Spirit Mountain? I'd like to compare stats shoot me a pm if you do.
6 bb per hour is decent; you arae beating the game. Move up in stakes if you want a higher hourly. 1-2 is very difficult to beat because the rake is such a hi percentage of the pots, relative to higher stakes.
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:41 PM   #1540
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Heres the brutal truth. I hate to say it. But i'm not as good as I thought I was.

Total hours: 514
Average hour: $12.93
After gas and travel time its less than $9/hour. Gross.

Stats by stake:
1/2nl: 349 hours, $15.76/hour, 78 sessions, 53 winning, 24 losing, 1 break even
1/3nl: 92 hours, $2.03/ hour, 33 sessions, 19 winning, 14 losing
2/5nl: 73 hours, $16.58/hour, 16 sessions, 12 winning, 4 losing

Stats by location:
Poker clubs: 376 hours, $9.71/hour, 85 sessions, 56 winning, 28 losing, 1 break-even
Casino: 138 hours, $21.68/hour, 43 sessions, 28 winning, 15 losing

SINCE APRIL: 150 hours, 44 sessions, (3.40)/hour, 25 winning, 19 losing.

HELP ME. Is this normal? I can count up for maybe 3 buyins of spew or mistakes but theres probably more. Is it the location i'm playing in?

Does anyone play in Oregon? More specifically Spirit Mountain? I'd like to compare stats shoot me a pm if you do.
$13 per hour isn't bad at all for mostly 1/2. A player completely crushing the game can only beat the game for around $20 an hour. Build the bankroll, work on your game and you should be able to move up in no time.
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:44 PM   #1541
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Hi, first post.

At the end of last year I began taking poker seriously, in February I began playing almost daily (I'm trying to hit 22 sessions a month).

My question is about the max buy in and hourly rates.

My local casino has a 1/2 buy in of $100-$500 and a 1/2/5 buy in of $200 to $1000. All with a $3 rake plus $1 jackpot drop. The 1/2 competition is the same as any other 1/2 competition. Pretty sweet right?

From reading this thread, and seeing first hand the 1/2 competition level, it seems like beating the 1/2 for 8-10 bb/hour is attainable with talent and hard work. That equates to $16 to $20 an hour.

At this casino, on a good weekend night, this 1/2 game can see average stacks get up to 600 to 800 with a couple players sitting with nearly 2k. Last night, a Sunday, we were playing 5 handed with stacks of about 150, 500, 500, 800, and over 2000.

How uncommon is a max buyin of $500 on a 1/2 game?

How does the hourly rate get affected when the game plays this deep? With variance, I would think that doing better than 20bb/hr is not likely, but the hourly rate has to increase since there is so much more money on the table than in a standard $200 max buy in 1/2 game. How does this add up?

Thanks.
The deeper the stacks the higher the hourly. Its hard to say exactly what you could expect to make. Also keep in mind you have to be a good deep stack player to make more money. Your hourly could actually be lower if you are not a good deep stack player and have to worry about stacks of different depths.
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:53 PM   #1542
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Depending on the average stacks at the 1/2 table, one could potentially make 15bb+ at such game.
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:07 PM   #1543
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Regarding deeper stacks: from what I've read, my impression is that as the stacks get deeper, post flop play becomes extremely more important, reads and playing the player become extremely important, and the better players are rewarded.

Are there any go to authors on deep stack poker? Any threads? Any general advice? Thanks.

And regarding the 1-2-5 $200 to $1000 game at my casino... It only runs a couple nights of the week, but often it's made up of the same player pool who play the deep 1-2 game (usually when there's multiple 1-2 games going... Like 3-4 on a busy night, all the regulars I'm speaking of will gravitate to one table and that will be the gamble gamble deep stack table).

And all but maybe 3-5 of this 30-50 deep 1-2 and 1-2-5 player pool are either people with money to throw around or people who really like gambling who often have enough money to throw around. I feel like I'm better than all of them and unlike them, I'm improving at a rapid pace. Pretty sweet.
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:18 PM   #1544
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Sounds like a great game. Can't think of any books or threads off the top of my head. The reason there isn't more about deep stack play is because pretty much all games play shallow up until 5/10+. Once you get to 5/10 people tend to be more secretive with advice/strategy.
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:19 PM   #1545
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Regarding deeper stacks: from what I've read, my impression is that as the stacks get deeper, post flop play becomes extremely more important, reads and playing the player become extremely important, and the better players are rewarded.

Are there any go to authors on deep stack poker? Any threads? Any general advice? Thanks.
yeah, no shyt. post flop clearly becomes more important since its not like you can just nit it up and get all your money in pre with nut hands anymore when you have 200BB+ behind.

i don't know much about poker books. I would just 1) play, 2) read 2p2, and 3) check out the deuce plays podcast (its very good for live cash game play, although focuses on 5/5+ imo)
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:31 PM   #1546
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I think deuce plays is great. Bart plays 5/10 and some 10/20, but I don't think its necessarily geared toward the higher stakes players. I have been listening to deuce plays for years and have learned a lot.
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:48 PM   #1547
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Thanks guys. Yea, I'm working my way through Hanson's old free episodes. Great stuff.
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Old 05-14-2012, 05:33 PM   #1548
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6 bb per hour is decent; you arae beating the game. Move up in stakes if you want a higher hourly. 1-2 is very difficult to beat because the rake is such a hi percentage of the pots, relative to higher stakes.
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The poker club hours are rake free. games play shallow (50bb) and generally only go for 4 hours a night. SINGLE TABLE ONLY so you either play or go home no game selection.

The casino has a 4+1 drop, 1-2 tables of 1-3 on the weekend, games are generally shallow and tight passive. All games are dead during the week. Sometimes the games are really good

The big poker gamblers come to almost exclusively play the 5-10 no cap on fridays and saturdays. So when they show up a good 2-5 game will run for 3-4 hours while they wait for the 5-10 to start. If they don't play the game turns into a nit fest with even shorter stacks. Nobody plays deep stacks @ 2/5. Almost everyone loves leaving after they have over 200bb's. Sometimes the 2-5 will have 2 tables and the games will run for 12+ hours but its not every weekend. When that does happen, it completely kills the next days action. I ****ing hate it. Where is poker in Oregon?

For example, yesterday I drove to casino (60 minutes), played 2 hours @ 1-3 while waiting for 2-5. 1-3 game was too shallow (6 players, 3 had less than $70,) and it looked like it was about to break so I got up. I waited for another 2 hours waiting to get on the 2-5 which actually looked good. I didn't recognize 4 players out of the line up and they had 80bb stacks. so good. I get on, and the game ****ing breaks down. 2 guys double through and leave, a reg leaves, and the game turns into another short, tight shallow game with no list.

It costs me $10-15 gas each trip wherever I go. Combined with shallow stacks, not enough hours and lots of travel time (30-60 minutes one way) its frustrating as hell. My timing has to be absolutely perfect in order to make money. In my limited experience, finding a good game in Oregon is hard. Simply waiting around and refusing to play in bad games, and burning up my time and money on travel and gas seems like a bad way to go. Especially when I could be pumping gas for ~$9 and not have to spend it on travel and waiting time.
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The poker club hours are rake free. games play shallow (50bb) and generally only go for 4 hours a night. SINGLE TABLE ONLY so you either play or go home no game selection.

The casino has a 4+1 drop, 1-2 tables of 1-3 on the weekend, games are generally shallow and tight passive. All games are dead during the week. Sometimes the games are really good

The big poker gamblers come to almost exclusively play the 5-10 no cap on fridays and saturdays. So when they show up a good 2-5 game will run for 3-4 hours while they wait for the 5-10 to start. If they don't play the game turns into a nit fest with even shorter stacks. Nobody plays deep stacks @ 2/5. Almost everyone loves leaving after they have over 200bb's. Sometimes the 2-5 will have 2 tables and the games will run for 12+ hours but its not every weekend. When that does happen, it completely kills the next days action. I ****ing hate it. Where is poker in Oregon?

For example, yesterday I drove to casino (60 minutes), played 2 hours @ 1-3 while waiting for 2-5. 1-3 game was too shallow (6 players, 3 had less than $70,) and it looked like it was about to break so I got up. I waited for another 2 hours waiting to get on the 2-5 which actually looked good. I didn't recognize 4 players out of the line up and they had 80bb stacks. so good. I get on, and the game ****ing breaks down. 2 guys double through and leave, a reg leaves, and the game turns into another short, tight shallow game with no list.

It costs me $10-15 gas each trip wherever I go. Combined with shallow stacks, not enough hours and lots of travel time (30-60 minutes one way) its frustrating as hell. My timing has to be absolutely perfect in order to make money. In my limited experience, finding a good game in Oregon is hard. Simply waiting around and refusing to play in bad games, and burning up my time and money on travel and gas seems like a bad way to go. Especially when I could be pumping gas for ~$9 and not have to spend it on travel and waiting time.
bad economy? its oregon?
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So what.. Move to Vegas or stop complaining?
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