Reading comprehension ftw. I said its possible to build a scenario...I was aware of all the items you posted

Guessing I've posted this before, and it's a little out-of-date, but I'm guessing still relevant with some interesting info.

http://fullcontactpoker.com/poker-jo...t_from=&ucat=&

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spreadsheet is fantastic

chainsaw with a rock solid -57% roi

makes up for it with his slot winnings tho

Also interesting how the guy with the top cashing percentage (30%) was an overall loser.

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And also interesting how so many well known names were also big overall losers, nothing that was really mentioned by Mike & Vince on the broadcasts; nope, they were just all fantastic poker players.

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Seems pretty simple to me.

If you cash 30% of the time, and the averge cash is min-ish and you get 2x your buyin, then

N = number of entries
$ = average entry fee
W = number of wins = 0.3 * N
L = number of losses = 0.7 * N

EV = $ * ((2 * 0.3 * N) - (0.7 * N))

EV = $ * (0.6*N - 0.7*N)

EV = -0.1*N*$

I was going to take it to a local hooker, as is tradition for big wins. But that probably won't even get me a "cup and squeeze".


In the last year or two I haven't had the kind of time to sit on a weekend for 6-8 hours and just play often. So I'm playing 2-4 hour sessions in a local game on weekdays after work mostly. Also less time to read strategy books or "study"


One thing that I've been thinking about recently is how weird a session that mirrors a normal winrate is. If you play 4 hours, nothing of any big consequence happens, and you leave up $75 ... it doesn't (always) even feel like much of a win. Even though that's an almost $20/hr clip and a decent rate. It's the big swingy sessions where we're up or down a BI in 2 hours that seem to make an impact on our perception of how things are going Anyone else notice this?

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Yes, I think about it all the time. After a 5 hour session, $100 at 1/2 feels like nothing, $250 at 2/5 feels like nothing, and $500 at 5/10 feels "slightly above even"

Especially true if you are playing in good active games.

Really bizzare.

This had a big impact on how I played when poker was my sole income. It was a huge leak.

Id rather win a guaranteed 500 everyday I play 8 hours (even if it is boring) then go through a sick roller coaster like the one I had last night. I went from stuck nearly 5k to winning 4k, all in the span of 1 session...

Makes you wonder how many leaks you have in non apocalyptic pots doesn't it? I sometimes go back through a boring "nothing happened" session and count up mistakes to find that I gave away 50-100bb. Just because I didn't make a 100bb bad call it didn't feel so terrible but making 4 25bb mistakes is just as bad. And I'm far less likely to analyze/discuss my bad 3-way cbet on JT6ss board.

What would your winrate look like without those "little" mistakes? It's almost enough to make me hire a coach.

I'm not sure how it effects my game when I'm sitting at the table. I actually don't mind the nearly zen-like act of sitting and folding for an hour. But looking at a +$40 stack still feels weird when there's a storm of chips flying around me. Until I look at the time and do some division of course.

It doesn't really *tilt* me, it's just odd. (If that makes sense.)

Yea. But it's hard to say without detailed HH.

A limp here, or a call pre with a small PP that missed there, failed c-bet on a Q-high board, etc. They might be bad, they might not. And even then quantifying how much of a leak each is can be tough.

Yes.

I'll bet most people would find more of them in the big winning sessions too. They just never look for them because they won 220bb.

And yet when we have the big losing sessions, we go through our play and add up all the silly mistakes we made that contributed to it

Last session out I raised preflop to iso HU, cbet the flop, shut down when called, backed into a straight on the river (albeit on a paired board), and checked it back not realizing it. Gave myself credit for at least eventually managing to table my hand to win the pot. But also knew this mistake cost me an hours worth of work by missing the river bet.

Ever since finding out our room now rakes to a maximum of $6, I can't help but think of the huge amount of money that is taken off the table and how good conditions have to be to actually come out ahead. Last session out I was playing at a great table for about 4 hours. One fish bought in time and time and time again and lost it all. Her friend donked away a $500 stack. The other fish donked away his $600 stack. After they all left, I looked around the table and wondered where it had all gone. One old guy had doubled up his shortstack and did a hit and run, but not for much. Another nit had a couple of extra stacks in front of him. Everyone else, much like myself, looked to be treading water, so where did it all go? Oh right, upwards of ~$240/hr coming off the table, yeah, about ~$1000 down the hole in that period, that sounds about right.

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Caro said if you could watch a game from above you would see money flowing clockwise and yes much of it down the drain. If you could actually watch a time lapsed video of 8 hours we'd have an increased respect for both rake and position I suspect.

Yo guys after 80 hours of 1/2 NL i'm down 363 $, can i conclude something on my game? Do I have to look for something that i'm doing really wrong or should i continue playing and re-evaluate after more hours.

In that i lost a 750 $ pot with 97% equity all in on the flop... (middle set vs top pair he runner runner a bigger FH...meh)

I think one of my biggest leak is to not cashout. I make too long session. 80 hours in only 10 sessions. I think i might take shorter session and cashout when i'm up 1-2 buy in.

I read The Course by Ed Miller and try to apply his tips concerning 1/2. But I read tips for 2/5 too so I might mixed things up sometimes...

What other book would you recommend me to crush my limit?

Longest session: 14.5 hrs
Biggest win : 315
Biggest lost : 505
Winning/Losing session : 50 %

What you guys think?

Yea. There's a reason they drop the rake into a box where it disappears from sight. If they were putting it in the rack/box/tray it would become painfully obvious how much they pull.

Although $240/hr seems a little high. It's not going to be capped every hand. Yet another reason a deeper game is better.

Rake take so much money off the table.

In montreal, rake on 1/2 is 10% max 8$ plus 1 for bbjp (250k guranteed TTTT+)

Lets say 6$ each hand (good average i think).

6 $/hand * 33 hand/hour = 200$ = 1 buy in per hour of play quit the table... so sick.

Where I play, the rake goes in the rack.

1$ for bbjp goes in a box and tip goes in a box.

The easy answer is yes you should be looking. That's true no matter what. 80hrs is a very short amount of time. While it's not likely that a crushing player would lose over that amount of time it's certainly probable that it happens to all of them at some point.

I suggest you post some hands that you're wondering about and see what people say. Chances are you're not doing something well.

And yet the take is clearly beatable. At least in terms of the games I play. I can't imagine how much of be beating it for without it but it's hardly unprofitable. I wonder if inflation plays a role? They increase take constantly to cover costs but the stakes remain the same.

I think overtime you will start to see 1/2 become an obsolete game, purely anecdotal but I think most newly minted poker room are beginning to adjust by offering a larger min buy in and running 1/3 as there smallest game.


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One could make a loose argument that promotions that put money on to the table mitigate the rake to some extent.


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