Is kidding himself.

how much is a bb tho if it's across 'all stakes'? that's why im asking about weighting the average or not...

Pretty sure he didn't put in the time to give you a weighted average.

Really feel like WR is best described by some fraction of the average stack size. Something like 0.10*AvgStack/hr.

Problem with that is figuring out what the average should be for a given game. The local game Spike and I play in is sometimes insanely deep for a $1/2 with a lot of willingness to GII. Other times it's a SS fest that's slower to get money out of.

It would be a useful factor.

Many Vegas 2/5 games have high BI ceiling and average stack sizes in those games can easily increase average WR of a winning player by few $ if not more.

FWIW I track buy in cap. So I have several 1/2 variants in Excel ($200 cap, $300 cap, uncapped). 2/5 is $500, 600, $1000, uncapped. Etc.

To this day the 1/2 uncapped games on the gulf coast are some of the highest stakes games I ever played, this is why I track in this manner.

Logging in game stack average is way to big of a variable to matter imo. It's like having a %drunk villains stat. (Which would still be cool)



I think 8bb/hr is the general norm for decent players, have flirted with 10 and heard it quoted often enough to believe it, and have seen a few players that have to be at 12, just because I know what my wr is and I know their's has to be higher.

8bb/hr is something to be very proud of and really all I'd care to achieve tbh.

Maybe not average BI, just BI cap. That would be easy.

Yea, over a large enough sample to mean anything I'd assume that average stack follows the BI cap pretty well.

But what about a few pages back when Duke seemed to question the true profitability of deepstack play?

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Curious to see how other players work paying bills into the bankroll. I have monthly bills that total $1226/month and I divide them by 4 to get my weekly amount needed to deduct from my roll which is $306. It helps me keep focused and when i lose it helps me to take a small approach and that I only need to win 50 or so dollars a day to pay bills. Obviously I want to win a lot more then that but it makes small wins not seem so bad and loses not impossible to overcome. Does anyone else do this? How do you guys factor in bill money from the roll? I feel like there is probably a better way

I used to prepay the whole month ahead.

12bbs is doable at 1-2 or 1-3
10bbs at 2-5.
i think 6-8 is good for 5-10
4-5 at 10-20+

bbs/hr

this thread has helped me lose interest in poker altogether, and to give up my Infiniti Q50 dream from poker alone. Good in one way, other side is bad because im stilling chasing big casino games wins and losing. Played a $100 tournament for hours only to lose with AK to AQ the other night, then lost another $1000 at Pai Gow and baccarat. But to grind 1/2 for 20 per hour, or even 2/5 for say 50, i dont put in enough hours for that to really add up to 50k or even 10k would take forever. For that reason and the fact that cash games get old quick, I am done.

I have the horrible habit of pulling any non-$100 increment out of my "roll" for life expenses.

Cash out up $520? $500 to poker, $20 to lunch.

Lose $70? -$100 from poker, $30 for pocket money.

I've got enough income and disposable cash to keep blurry boundaries though. Don't *need* to pay anything out of it.

Bulljive:

For me I just pay my mortgage etc and not think about it. I set goals in terms of hours played. I do not think,"oh to make my nut this month I need to win x$ per day played". That is just noise.

Anything can and will happen on a short term basis and you just need to be aware of that. If I get my head kicked in one day I may elect to not play the next day so I can be sure that my focus is right.

My ultimate goal is to play my personal A game in the casino for every time I am there...and to do that persistently and consistently throughout the year - so that at the end of the year I have logged the number of hours of kick ass A+ poker that I set as my goal in the beginning of the year.

this is what works for me personally

Shame. Poker needs guys like you.

+1.

I guess he's only a highroller in name.

If you're not having fun playing poker then you probably shouldn't play, so good decision, imo.

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I don't know why buying the car would take forever. You could weekend warrior for two years at 2/5 and have your 50k.

I think from your posts though that you lack the discipline for this. Stuck to the pits for the fun of it as long as you aren't losing control of your life.

A friend of mine in London who plays for a living actually negotiates a small discount with his landlord and then pays rent 6 months ahead.

He has been playing full time for years and is very obviously rolled for his games, so doing this doesn't impact his roll at all but he still likes the security of knowing he has this sorted in advance to manage his mentality through lean streaks. Ironically, this habit started because his landlord was worried about his ability to pay knowing he was a 'gambler' but he has ended up instilling a practice he now really believes he benefits from

GREAT spot!

wish the note holder on my house would let me do this!

If he just stayed away from the pits for two years he could probably buy the car from all the money he saved

18hr at 1/3 , 30hr at 2/5, 60hr at 5/T.

To Avarita and Happy Luck Box,

Are these numbers that you are quoting based off peak hours like Friday/Saturday nights? Or do you believe these hours would be sustainable during non peak hours? Say someone played every night except Monday-Tuesday. Do you think they could still attain 10bb/hr at 2/5, or 12bb/hr at 1/3?

To birdsalla - I personally know for a fact that 10+bb per hour can be attained during non peak hours at 2/5