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Old 06-18-2016, 08:37 PM   #15351
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I'm averaging 11bb/hr at 2/5 and about 8bb/hr at 5/10.
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Old 06-19-2016, 01:18 AM   #15352
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I made 50K at 2/5 in the first five months of the year. I don't know what my avg per hour was but if I had to guess it was about 80/hour. Maybe more since I had another job at the time that took a lot of my time.

Since switching over to PLO I've made 18K in the past month, which translates to about 180/hour but I don't know if that's sustainable
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Old 06-20-2016, 09:23 AM   #15353
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6bbs per hr across all stakes
How does this work, are you taking a weighted average by time?
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Old 06-20-2016, 10:51 AM   #15354
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How does this work, are you taking a weighted average by time?
bb's won divided by hours played...
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Old 06-20-2016, 11:37 AM   #15355
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I made 50K at 2/5 in the first five months of the year. I don't know what my avg per hour was but if I had to guess it was about 80/hour. Maybe more since I had another job at the time that took a lot of my time.

Since switching over to PLO I've made 18K in the past month, which translates to about 180/hour but I don't know if that's sustainable
While both of these are believable (from my own experience) don't believe them.

For everyone curious about true, achievable, long term win rates:

When guys tell you their WR and its <10bb, believe them. When long term withered grinders tell you 10bb is achievable, believe them. When sicko long term grinders tell you 12bb/hr is possible, believe them.

For all stakes.

Everyone else is kidding themselves. Or on short term heaters. Or trolling a poker forum bc it's on their bucket list.
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Old 06-20-2016, 12:23 PM   #15356
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Simple question from me....what are people's (no nonsense) win rates at 1/3, 2/5, and 5/10? Only looking for reponses from people who play professionally to semi-professionally.

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I'm sitting at $23.45 (7.82 bb/hr) over my first 2,861.33 hours of live recreational 1/3 NL.

Almost meaningless as game conditions can change drastically over time. I've put those hours over 7 years and the game has definitely gotten a lot worse.

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Old 06-20-2016, 12:27 PM   #15357
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While both of these are believable (from my own experience) don't believe them.

For everyone curious about true, achievable, long term win rates:

When guys tell you their WR and its <10bb, believe them. When long term withered grinders tell you 10bb is achievable, believe them. When sicko long term grinders tell you 12bb/hr is possible, believe them.

For all stakes.

Everyone else is kidding themselves. Or on short term heaters. Or trolling a poker forum bc it's on their bucket list.
Is kidding himself.
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Old 06-20-2016, 12:53 PM   #15358
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bb's won divided by hours played...
how much is a bb tho if it's across 'all stakes'? that's why im asking about weighting the average or not...
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Old 06-20-2016, 12:55 PM   #15359
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Pretty sure he didn't put in the time to give you a weighted average.
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Old 06-20-2016, 01:19 PM   #15360
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Really feel like WR is best described by some fraction of the average stack size. Something like 0.10*AvgStack/hr.

Problem with that is figuring out what the average should be for a given game. The local game Spike and I play in is sometimes insanely deep for a $1/2 with a lot of willingness to GII. Other times it's a SS fest that's slower to get money out of.
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Old 06-20-2016, 01:22 PM   #15361
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It would be a useful factor.

Many Vegas 2/5 games have high BI ceiling and average stack sizes in those games can easily increase average WR of a winning player by few $ if not more.
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Old 06-20-2016, 01:36 PM   #15362
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FWIW I track buy in cap. So I have several 1/2 variants in Excel ($200 cap, $300 cap, uncapped). 2/5 is $500, 600, $1000, uncapped. Etc.

To this day the 1/2 uncapped games on the gulf coast are some of the highest stakes games I ever played, this is why I track in this manner.

Logging in game stack average is way to big of a variable to matter imo. It's like having a %drunk villains stat. (Which would still be cool)

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Is kidding himself.


I think 8bb/hr is the general norm for decent players, have flirted with 10 and heard it quoted often enough to believe it, and have seen a few players that have to be at 12, just because I know what my wr is and I know their's has to be higher.

8bb/hr is something to be very proud of and really all I'd care to achieve tbh.
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Old 06-20-2016, 01:38 PM   #15363
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Maybe not average BI, just BI cap. That would be easy.
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Old 06-20-2016, 01:47 PM   #15364
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Yea, over a large enough sample to mean anything I'd assume that average stack follows the BI cap pretty well.
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Old 06-20-2016, 01:56 PM   #15365
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But what about a few pages back when Duke seemed to question the true profitability of deepstack play?

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Old 06-20-2016, 02:03 PM   #15366
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Curious to see how other players work paying bills into the bankroll. I have monthly bills that total $1226/month and I divide them by 4 to get my weekly amount needed to deduct from my roll which is $306. It helps me keep focused and when i lose it helps me to take a small approach and that I only need to win 50 or so dollars a day to pay bills. Obviously I want to win a lot more then that but it makes small wins not seem so bad and loses not impossible to overcome. Does anyone else do this? How do you guys factor in bill money from the roll? I feel like there is probably a better way
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Old 06-20-2016, 02:07 PM   #15367
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I used to prepay the whole month ahead.
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Old 06-20-2016, 02:11 PM   #15368
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12bbs is doable at 1-2 or 1-3
10bbs at 2-5.
i think 6-8 is good for 5-10
4-5 at 10-20+

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Old 06-20-2016, 02:13 PM   #15369
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this thread has helped me lose interest in poker altogether, and to give up my Infiniti Q50 dream from poker alone. Good in one way, other side is bad because im stilling chasing big casino games wins and losing. Played a $100 tournament for hours only to lose with AK to AQ the other night, then lost another $1000 at Pai Gow and baccarat. But to grind 1/2 for 20 per hour, or even 2/5 for say 50, i dont put in enough hours for that to really add up to 50k or even 10k would take forever. For that reason and the fact that cash games get old quick, I am done.
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Old 06-20-2016, 02:19 PM   #15370
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I have the horrible habit of pulling any non-$100 increment out of my "roll" for life expenses.

Cash out up $520? $500 to poker, $20 to lunch.

Lose $70? -$100 from poker, $30 for pocket money.

I've got enough income and disposable cash to keep blurry boundaries though. Don't *need* to pay anything out of it.
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Old 06-20-2016, 02:19 PM   #15371
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Bulljive:

For me I just pay my mortgage etc and not think about it. I set goals in terms of hours played. I do not think,"oh to make my nut this month I need to win x$ per day played". That is just noise.

Anything can and will happen on a short term basis and you just need to be aware of that. If I get my head kicked in one day I may elect to not play the next day so I can be sure that my focus is right.

My ultimate goal is to play my personal A game in the casino for every time I am there...and to do that persistently and consistently throughout the year - so that at the end of the year I have logged the number of hours of kick ass A+ poker that I set as my goal in the beginning of the year.

this is what works for me personally
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Old 06-20-2016, 02:20 PM   #15372
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this thread has helped me lose interest in poker altogether, and to give up my Infiniti Q50 dream from poker alone. Good in one way, other side is bad because im stilling chasing big casino games wins and losing. Played a $100 tournament for hours only to lose with AK to AQ the other night, then lost another $1000 at Pai Gow and baccarat. But to grind 1/2 for 20 per hour, or even 2/5 for say 50, i dont put in enough hours for that to really add up to 50k or even 10k would take forever. For that reason and the fact that cash games get old quick, I am done.
Shame. Poker needs guys like you.
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Old 06-20-2016, 02:24 PM   #15373
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Shame. Poker needs guys like you.
+1.

I guess he's only a highroller in name.
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Old 06-20-2016, 02:46 PM   #15374
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this thread has helped me lose interest in poker altogether, and to give up my Infiniti Q50 dream from poker alone. Good in one way, other side is bad because im stilling chasing big casino games wins and losing. Played a $100 tournament for hours only to lose with AK to AQ the other night, then lost another $1000 at Pai Gow and baccarat. But to grind 1/2 for 20 per hour, or even 2/5 for say 50, i dont put in enough hours for that to really add up to 50k or even 10k would take forever. For that reason and the fact that cash games get old quick, I am done.
If you're not having fun playing poker then you probably shouldn't play, so good decision, imo.

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Old 06-20-2016, 05:26 PM   #15375
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I don't know why buying the car would take forever. You could weekend warrior for two years at 2/5 and have your 50k.

I think from your posts though that you lack the discipline for this. Stuck to the pits for the fun of it as long as you aren't losing control of your life.
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