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Old 06-15-2016, 01:42 PM   #15226
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Your WR says $50/hr, therefore you feel entitled to win every session.

Pocket aces always win? Entitled.

Top set never loses? Entitled.

Nut on flop and should remain nut? Entitled.
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:01 PM   #15227
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A good player can make $25/hr but not sure if a good player can make $25/hr at 40 hrs/wk. you wouldn't be able to game and time select. You'd also wear out. The truth is that if you're making $25/hr and grinding full time you're actually an idiot because you should be moving up to $2/5 where your winrate will likely climb due to the stakes.
Confirmed possible and miserable.
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:30 PM   #15228
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GG- $24+/hr at ~1000 hrs of 1/2 NL. Sample
Size is debatable. Spent my entire roll on a wedding and never got paid back. Saved a few bucks here and there for a year and restarted with $500. Now at 13bi. Hope to be fully solvent within a couple months.
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:35 PM   #15229
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describe entitlement tilt, im sure ive done it but now i wanna be able to recognize it

what RP sez. Also entitlement. I play sooo much better than these assclowns and they are slinging $$$ like crazy with sht holdings - I am card dead but ima get in the mix with crappy holdings and make it happen. I see this one TONS...then they justify it. "Well I am so far ahead of their range there...blah blahh blah...he can never call there with 2nd pair...etc etc...SO FUKKIN SICK MAN"
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:39 PM   #15230
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GG- $24+/hr at ~1000 hrs of 1/2 NL. Sample
Size is debatable. Spent my entire roll on a wedding and never got paid back. Saved a few bucks here and there for a year and restarted with $500. Now at 13bi. Hope to be fully solvent within a couple months.
Sample size aside, impressive nonetheless imo, nice job.

Still, depending on the size of you player pool, my guess would be you're in the very top percent: that's not exactly *easy* to do (especially long term).

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Old 06-15-2016, 02:52 PM   #15231
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At the risk of being arrogant I believe that I am one of the top players in my regular pool. As I said I think my perspective is skewed because I was provided with the tools for success from the very beginning. I also was blessed to be born with a temperament and analytical abilities that are very conducive to poker. I might not be that good though. I only have a speck of 2/5 under my belt. From what I've seen I have a good edge there too but how big remains to be seen. To me it "seems" like t should be easy as long as you know what I know. RP makes a good point though. Some people aren't built for success and it doesn't matter how many books they read.

My 1/2 is $300 cap so I would expect our winrates to be nearly identical given equal ability and opponents.
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:53 PM   #15232
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Your WR says $50/hr, therefore you feel entitled to win every session.

Pocket aces always win? Entitled.

Top set never loses? Entitled.

Nut on flop and should remain nut? Entitled.
Sure, that's what entitled means, but you didn't really answer his question. You left out the most important part - tilt.
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:55 PM   #15233
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what RP sez. Also entitlement. I play sooo much better than these assclowns and they are slinging $$$ like crazy with sht holdings - I am card dead but ima get in the mix with crappy holdings and make it happen. I see this one TONS...then they justify it. "Well I am so far ahead of their range there...blah blahh blah...he can never call there with 2nd pair...etc etc...SO FUKKIN SICK MAN"
Great post.
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:57 PM   #15234
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Sure, that's what entitled means, but you didn't really answer his question. You left out the most important part - tilt.

Really?
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Old 06-15-2016, 03:02 PM   #15235
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My 1/2 is $300 cap so I would expect our winrates to be nearly identical given equal ability and opponents.

I play 2/5 $300 cap and almost exclusively weekday afternoons.

Your number isn't that far fetched.
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Old 06-15-2016, 03:06 PM   #15236
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Really?
All you described is what entitlement means, you didn't explain at all how that manifests itself into entitlement tilt. Squid's post gave a great example though right after, so all good.
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Old 06-15-2016, 03:14 PM   #15237
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At the risk of being arrogant I believe that I am one of the top players in my regular pool.
Well, that's kinda my point: being one of the top players in your pool isn't exactly easy, especially if that pool (like most pools) evolves over the years.

Basically, a random asked how easy it would be to make $1000 a week at 1/2. I guess the answer is: super easy... so long as you are one of the best players in your pool and can stomach/maintain 40 hours a week of poker.

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Old 06-15-2016, 03:19 PM   #15238
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All you described is what entitlement means, you didn't explain at all how that manifests itself into entitlement tilt. Squid's post gave a great example though right after, so all good.

My bad. I'll do more hand holding next time I write to you.
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Old 06-15-2016, 03:20 PM   #15239
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I play 2/5 $300 cap and almost exclusively weekday afternoons.

Your number isn't that far fetched.
As in I could make $25/hr in your game or I couldn't?


If I had to pick between 1/2 $300 cap evenings and 2/5 $300 cap afternoons I think I'd want the 1/2. Interested in your opinion on that one.
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Old 06-15-2016, 03:39 PM   #15240
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Bad choice of words. I was in middle of hand.

I was just saying good job and that such WR is attainable.
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Old 06-15-2016, 03:40 PM   #15241
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I made conscious choice to not put poker in front of anything, and that allowed me to play as best as I can.
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Old 06-15-2016, 03:42 PM   #15242
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My bad. I'll do more hand holding next time I write to you.
Meh, weak. Just do what you are gonna do - which is post useless, obvious drivel instead of something intelligent.
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Old 06-15-2016, 04:04 PM   #15243
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Well, that's kinda my point: being one of the top players in your pool isn't exactly easy, especially if that pool (like most pools) evolves over the years.

Basically, a random asked how easy it would be to make $1000 a week at 1/2. I guess the answer is: super easy... so long as you are one of the best players in your pool and can stomach/maintain 40 hours a week of poker.

Geasypeasy?G
Agree. From the perspective of a reg 2+2er it should be easy. 40hrs/wk non peak is a whole different thing.
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Great post.
thank you sir.

I have found that entitlement in that form happens a ton in loose actiony games. Generally when there is at least one whale and several loose fishy players. Solid players seem to suddenly uncork and go bananas...you can almost see the wheels coming off right before it happens
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thank you sir.

I have found that entitlement in that form happens a ton in loose actiony games. Generally when there is at least one whale and several loose fishy players. Solid players seem to suddenly uncork and go bananas...you can almost see the wheels coming off right before it happens
I find this happening to myself from time to time. Any tips on combatting it?
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Old 06-15-2016, 04:13 PM   #15246
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Don't be a good player obviously.
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Old 06-15-2016, 04:17 PM   #15247
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when you get that urge just ask yourself WTF are you doing? Then stop. Then know that these guys are going to tilt it off at some point, or if they are a whale/funplayer they are going to give it up...and hopefully you will be there to catch it...but in the long run you are not going to make those silly mistakes and your w/r will reflect it.

in blackjack we used to call it the death of 1000 nicks. Its not a single small error that kills you - but the culmination of tons of little ones that do. It is the same thing in poker.
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Old 06-15-2016, 04:26 PM   #15248
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Agree. From the perspective of a reg 2+2er it should be easy. 40hrs/wk non peak is a whole different thing.
2+2 is filled with mostly losing players just like the real world.
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Old 06-15-2016, 04:40 PM   #15249
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When I'm going good and I'm about to do something senseless I am able to pause and ask myself if whatever emotion that's driving my impending spew is worth whatever $ amount it will cost. We always say to think of the chips as bb and not money but in that one instance it served me well to look at it as actual dollars.
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Old 06-15-2016, 05:31 PM   #15250
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I wanted to get a Infiniti Q 50. I have about 10k saved for it already, but would be rad to buy it with strictly poker funds. I dont have 40 hours a week to play, but maybe 25 x 25 x 52 would get me fairly close. Is that a realistic winrate for someone who used to beat 10/25 cents online on pokerstars?
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