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Old 06-13-2016, 09:47 PM   #15201
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You have plenty to shot take but you need to be real honest with yourself about results and disciplined if you lose and need to drop down. $13/hr is a winner but not a crusher at $1/2 so it's tough to say how you'll go at 2/5. Likely still have some things to work on.
+1 to all of this.

Is there a 1/3 game accessible to you?

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Old 06-13-2016, 10:01 PM   #15202
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To add to the home safe discussion...

Simplisafe

This is a mobile phone based security system. For $20/mo, it will send you a text every time a door is opened (or if the fire/smoke detector, freeze detector, etc. is triggered).

System is wireless, complete with backup battery, and does not require permission from the landlord to install -- which I think anyone can do.

Accessing my safe triggers the system to send me a txt. If someone were to successfully move the safe (though it is heavy and bolted in), a different txt is also sent and an alarm is emitted.

Even if you choose to have a bank safe deposit box, casino box, online bank account, etc... you should still have a safe and home alarm system for your 2nd Amendment supplies.


In a similar but far more valuable vein, I now get a phone call every time my wife uses the credit card
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Old 06-13-2016, 10:11 PM   #15203
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FWIW, wireless network security can probably make you more vulnerable, especially if you are a worthy target.
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Old 06-14-2016, 01:19 AM   #15204
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Consider a full time 1/3 player who has 6 months of living expenses saved and $9000 to play poker with. Every month he pays his living expenses with his winnings and funnels the remainder back into his roll. If he feels entirely comfortable playing 1/3 with the $9000 roll, when should he start shot taking 2/5 and how would it work? The way I figure it would work is that every $500 he makes after he has the $9000 should be used for 2/5 (but realistically starting with something like $2500 so that he can rebuy). But I'm stumped because if he wins, a portion of his winnings would be going to living expenses, but if he loses he loses everything, and it seems like there's only so long that could sustain starting from 5 buyins.

Or, should he only play 2/5 a small percentage of the time and reinvest all winnings into the shot taking portion of the bankroll?
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Old 06-14-2016, 02:57 AM   #15205
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My strategy would be to play a mix of 1/3 and 2/5 when the 2/5 looks especially good. I would take 1000+1500 shots and eventually it should stick

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Old 06-14-2016, 03:06 AM   #15206
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Is the idea that, eventually, the $9000 transitions into a 2/5 roll as well? In my scenario I was picturing the player maintaining the roll to where he could move down, but I guess if he just took that and went to 2/5 after building up the shot bankroll some. It could work.
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Old 06-14-2016, 03:22 AM   #15207
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Well yeah I think you should always have some threshold for where you decide to drop in stakes because of risk of ruin

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Old 06-14-2016, 03:24 AM   #15208
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So I guess like with 10k I would say I have 32 buyins. 2 at 2/5 and 30 at 1/3

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Old 06-15-2016, 11:31 AM   #15209
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I now have 13 BI
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:39 AM   #15210
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Is it possible to average over $1000 a week at 1/2? I would like to make that for one year to get the car I want
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:44 AM   #15211
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Is it possible to average over $1000 a week at 1/2? I would like to make that for one year to get the car I want
Just do the math.

If you put in 40 hours a week, you'd have to win at a $25/hour clip to accomplish the $1000 a week.

Can you put in 40 hours a week over a year for a total of 2080 hours at the felt?

Have you been beating 1/2 for a $25/hr clip?

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Old 06-15-2016, 11:44 AM   #15212
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You would have to average $20/hr if you play 50 hours a week. Is it possible? Yes if you ran hot as hell, I would think the more likely hourly for a good 1/2 player would be $10-$15/hr. There is just so much to fight between the rake and the bonus drop to average $20.
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:50 AM   #15213
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No, impossible.

If it's possible, you would already know.
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:50 AM   #15214
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A good player can make $25/hr but not sure if a good player can make $25/hr at 40 hrs/wk. you wouldn't be able to game and time select. You'd also wear out. The truth is that if you're making $25/hr and grinding full time you're actually an idiot because you should be moving up to $2/5 where your winrate will likely climb due to the stakes.

That's assuming you have the bankroll and a 2/5 game available.
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Old 06-15-2016, 12:16 PM   #15215
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It really isn't a realistic goal. It's hard to put in that many hours and it's hard to win 10bb+/hr at 1/2.

What kind of car do you want and how much do you plan on spending on it?
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Old 06-15-2016, 12:41 PM   #15216
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it's hard to win 10bb+/hr at 1/2
It's not THAT hard.
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Old 06-15-2016, 12:45 PM   #15217
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It is if you have never done it.
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Old 06-15-2016, 12:46 PM   #15218
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Actually, I think it really is that hard for the vast majority of players. It takes experience and it takes great discipline. I've never put in enough hours at 1/2 to know definitively but I've seen enough players fail at it to know it's not as easy as people think. See TheTrooper97 youtube videos for evidence of that.
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Old 06-15-2016, 12:49 PM   #15219
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Touché to both. I guess I mean it's not hard for someone who knows how.


I really need to get in this trooper thing. Haven't seen any.
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:05 PM   #15220
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Winning poker is really hard, mostly because it is literally impossible to change how most people approach the same task.

"Can't teach an old dog new tricks."

Average people somehow expect different and positive results even though the approach remains the same.

Most players cannot even come close to 5bb/hr because their fundamental approach makes it impossible.
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:11 PM   #15221
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It's not THAT hard.
It's not?

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Old 06-15-2016, 01:16 PM   #15222
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I guess my perspective is different. I was taught how to play winning poker almost from the very beginning of my journey so I didn't ever build those decades old bad habits. I was put into a winning mindset immediately by someone who knew what they were talking about.
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:23 PM   #15223
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I guess my perspective is different. I was taught how to play winning poker almost from the very beginning of my journey so I didn't ever build those decades old bad habits. I was put into a winning mindset immediately by someone who knew what they were talking about.
I can't recall your story, but didn't you just post that you only have a 13 BI bankroll? So I'm assuming a crushing 10+bb/hr winrate but life has eaten into the roll?

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Old 06-15-2016, 01:26 PM   #15224
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beating the game for 10 bigs per hour aint rocket science. I am not super smart and am not getting any smarter. Here is what is hard

actually logging 2k hours per year
playing kick ass poker day in and day out
quitting when you know you are not playing your best
not going on monkey tilt
not getting entitlement tilt
not playing hands cuz you are bored

VERY VERY few players do all of these things
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:34 PM   #15225
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beating the game for 10 bigs per hour aint rocket science. I am not super smart and am not getting any smarter. Here is what is hard

actually logging 2k hours per year
playing kick ass poker day in and day out
quitting when you know you are not playing your best
not going on monkey tilt
not getting entitlement tilt
not playing hands cuz you are bored

VERY VERY few players do all of these things
describe entitlement tilt, im sure ive done it but now i wanna be able to recognize it
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