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Old 06-01-2016, 10:50 AM   #15026
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oh yea if you want to improve your winrate a little for a lower time investment than actually studying, keep the tipping down. The dealers and waitresses do just fine, i promise. And if youre at 1/2 or 1/3 its likely they do better than you do at your job + poker combined so just stop imo. Its just social pressure anyway, youre not a saint because you tip well.
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Old 06-01-2016, 11:04 AM   #15027
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I tip on the push so I only tip 2$/hr
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Old 06-01-2016, 03:55 PM   #15028
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I don't tip relatively generously because of some misguided sense of charity, I do it because it helps with a mental block of being in a casino many hours per week. I kind of think about it as if me, other winning non-scummy players, and the staff are working together in a informal capacity to run fair, fun poker games and the end result of that arrangement is fish losing money to the winning players and rake/tips being paid.
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Old 06-01-2016, 03:56 PM   #15029
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There is an ROI on tipping though, at least to a level that makes them think you're a good person and like you.

That said, there's a dealer who won't say thank you for less than a redbird and clearly thinks I'm a scumbag for what I tip (it comes to over $4/hr at mainly 2/5), so he may help me pull my tipping rate down!

That said we're going to land in the containment thread soon if we keep this up... But from a winrate/finance perspective I think there's a sweet spot to tip enough to get a heads up about a good game, get them to drop to half rake immediately even if nobody asks, etc.
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Old 06-01-2016, 04:17 PM   #15030
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I think tipping is directly related to win rates don't should be allowed as long as it stays in that frame of reference.


I don't tip extravagantly. It's too hard to win and I can't think of anything that'll knock down your win rate faster.
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Old 06-01-2016, 05:01 PM   #15031
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Considering we just spent two pages discussing organic food and public vs. privately traded companies, I think the tipping discussion is okay.
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Old 06-01-2016, 05:34 PM   #15032
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Tipping is a taboo topic outside of tipping containment thread, and for good reason.
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Old 06-01-2016, 07:50 PM   #15033
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How do you guys keep track of your tips? Should I adjust my winrate if I tip a $5 every 1k pot?
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Old 06-01-2016, 08:34 PM   #15034
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That said, there's a dealer who won't say thank you for less than a redbird and clearly thinks I'm a scumbag for what I tip (it comes to over $4/hr at mainly 2/5), so he may help me pull my tipping rate down!
He's making a case for you to tip him exactly zero per hour.
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Old 06-01-2016, 08:47 PM   #15035
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I don't adjust for rake, so I don't adjust for tips either. Not worth the effort.
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Old 06-01-2016, 09:49 PM   #15036
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I don't control rake but I do control my tipping
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Old 06-01-2016, 10:20 PM   #15037
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Not based on what I saw in your thread.
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Old 06-02-2016, 12:05 AM   #15038
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Great job that was amazing. You got me. Thanks for reading

I usually tip a dollar to the cage and a dollar for all of my waters, and I think that's reasonable
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Old 06-02-2016, 01:32 AM   #15039
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Great job that was amazing. You got me. Thanks for reading

I usually tip a dollar to the cage and a dollar for all of my waters, and I think that's reasonable
Do you tip the hobos outside too?


Never tips cage.



Doesn't order water so that he doesn't have to tip anyone.



Every dollar I give to someone is $1/hr less that I'm not winning assuming I win one pot/hr. I'm probably beating 1/2 for >$30/hr if I didn't tip ever. Maybe I should stop...


See above for bringing it back to winrates.








Tips dealers conservatively because it's the right thing to do.
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Old 06-02-2016, 01:44 AM   #15040
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Can't be the king if you don't take care of the little people.
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Old 06-02-2016, 02:18 AM   #15041
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It's a bad screen name. What would a real volume king entail? Massive hours with massive winnings. I have none
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Old 06-02-2016, 06:11 AM   #15042
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Volume King clearly took a page out of GrindPokerAllDay's playbook for picking acreennames. Both great players but names don't fit them at all.

BTW, I always tip the cage and tip for drinks. Tipped the nice pretty girl from Paris $2 for the girly strawberry drink she brought me today.
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Old 06-02-2016, 06:28 AM   #15043
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I don't tip cage. Sometimes I'll tip floor 1-2 dollars if I'm doing well.

I'll tip $1 for waters but I always get 2 at a time.

I do admit I splurge on tipping if I'm crushing, if I win a 2k pot (1k in profit) I'll tip $10 -- assuming it's not 1-2k pots every orbit.
Generally I'll just tip $1 for hands over $100, $2 sometimes if its $500+

I probably overtip honestly.

Prob explains why all the dealers like me. Obv can't be my personality (like lets be honest)

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Old 06-02-2016, 09:07 AM   #15044
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I tip on the push so I only tip 2$/hr
If I did this, my hourly would probably go up a few bucks...

I shouldn't feel bad about tipping that "low", because I'm basically valuing the dealer's time at $36/hr, which seems quite fair.

I think I'll try to do this next time I play, and report back on how many dirty looks I get after scooping some $800 pot.
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Old 06-02-2016, 09:16 AM   #15045
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Like Duke says, these guys cleanup I never feel bad about not tipping every hand

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Old 06-02-2016, 10:01 AM   #15046
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Old 06-02-2016, 12:34 PM   #15047
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I think tipping the cage is beyond ******ed for most of the buy-ins and cash-outs we have here. If you're having them count out $30k .... sure. But for $200-1000? No ****ing way.

The impact dealer tipping has on winrate depends an awful lot on what kind of player you are and when you tip. $1/hand is pretty standard. But if you're really aggro and tipping when you take down a $12 pot OTF every couple of hands you're going to burn a lot more than the nit that plays 2 hands an hour.
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Old 06-02-2016, 12:41 PM   #15048
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Don't tip on pots where I win < 20 or anything pre flop( unless I take down a big one with some tanking) if I win a few tiny pots from the same dealer or if they're one of the better ones I'll throw a buck
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Old 06-02-2016, 01:04 PM   #15049
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this doesn't apply in casinos as much but it does matter a lot in home games.

2 years ago I played in a game that had no white chips, red birds were smallest denomination. they pulled around 500 dollars off the table per hour in rake so I didn't tip. the game was super juicy and one session I walk in and the house tells me my seat got bumped because players thought I was too cheap. I learned a lot the last few years about greasing the right wheels in home games and now fish call and ask me to come play with them.

in casinos I think tipping the floor has a lot of value since they are in position to get you into good games should they pop up. I imagine this isn't as important at 1 2 and 2 5 since all games at those stakes are easy, but should a random big game with whales and a wait list arise, you wanna be the first person the floor thinks of, and the more money you give them, the more they think of you. =)

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Old 06-02-2016, 03:14 PM   #15050
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I don't tip cage.

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I do admit I splurge on tipping if I'm crushing, if I win a 2k pot (1k in profit) I'll tip $10 -- assuming it's not 1-2k pots every orbit.
I only tip cage when I win, and usually only $1.

I also get overexcited with tips when I win big. The 1st time I played 2/5 I got lucky and raked in a $1.5k pot. Was so happy I tipped the female dealer (who looked a lot like Hillary Swank) $25.

Won another biggish pot with same dealer a little later and tried to tip her five, but she refused to accept it .

OTOH, I tend to not tip chopped pots.
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