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Old 05-24-2016, 09:48 PM   #14826
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What kind of bankroll would have kept you guys from going broke? I really feel that 15k is kinda the minimum BR needed
instead of dancing around...what is your real question?

people go busto for a million different reasons.
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Old 05-24-2016, 09:50 PM   #14827
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Damn how big was your bankroll?
Mine?

I think it was around 20-25k at the time I officially bought the house

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Old 05-24-2016, 09:56 PM   #14828
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instead of dancing around...what is your real question?

people go busto for a million different reasons.
That is my real question. I would like to see what each player thinks in retrospect about their particular situation. Certainly having a separate roll for life expenses would help the most but I am looking for raw data from players
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Old 05-24-2016, 09:58 PM   #14829
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Mine?

I think it was around 20-25k at the time I officially bought the house

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Hell yeah good for you, do you use a 30 buy in rule?
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Old 05-24-2016, 10:01 PM   #14830
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Hell yeah good for you, do you use a 30 buy in rule?
My typical room has a 2x-5x mission straddle from any position so I like to keeo 50bi for the 1/3 games and feel comfortable taking shots in 2/5 at +16k

I think 30bi for most pros is very aggressive unless you are just simply head and shoulders above everyone else and or have some other income streams

Currently I'm sitting around 18k and playing like 66% 1/3 and 33% 2/5

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Old 05-24-2016, 10:05 PM   #14831
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Time for my monthly "this is not a free trolling zone" post.

Also, while some strat is appropriate to a general discussion of winrates and required bankrolls, this is not a strat thread either. Please keep this thread on topic.
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Old 05-24-2016, 10:05 PM   #14832
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What kind of bankroll would have kept you guys from going broke? I really feel that 15k is kinda the minimum BR needed
This depends on the particular game, the player in question and monthly nut.

I think in a 100bb cap game a solid pro with a low monthly nut, no life leaks and a segregated emergency fund is probably bulletproof at 25k

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Old 05-24-2016, 10:18 PM   #14833
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This depends on the particular game, the player in question and monthly nut.

I think in a 100bb cap game a solid pro with a low monthly nut, no life leaks and a segregated emergency fund is probably bulletproof at 25k

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Same condition, I'd say 10k.

Would have a lot more fun with bigger roll, but at minimum, 10k is sufficient.
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Old 05-24-2016, 10:20 PM   #14834
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Same condition, I'd say 10k.

Would have a lot more fun with bigger roll, but at minimum, 10k is sufficient.
Ah you think 10k is enough for all the assumptions I've made?

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Old 05-24-2016, 10:22 PM   #14835
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Agree that 10k is probably the min. If you hit 6k or 5k I'd move down.

Personally, I've never been a pro, so I've been more aggressive wrt when I moved up/down since I can't go busto IRL without losing my job
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Old 05-24-2016, 10:22 PM   #14836
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Yes, and that's basing it off less than superior game condition in places such as Vegas.
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Old 05-24-2016, 10:28 PM   #14837
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id agree with RP on this one and go with 10k but would add a caveat. Said pro has to have a reasonable work ethic. Meaning that contrary to many of the pg&c threads they actually log close to what muricans consider full time hours
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Old 05-24-2016, 10:32 PM   #14838
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I think squid can do it with less by trading EV, and I think I can do it with less given sufficient motivation.

But playing poker with small BR is painful, and horrible on your psyche. I don't recommend it to anyone.
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Old 05-24-2016, 10:38 PM   #14839
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I've never had a downswing at 2/5 that was more then... 4-5k, but that being said, if I only had 10k to my name I don't think I'd have been able to play on as if nothing happened. I'd be forced to pass up +EV lines due to RoR concerns and whatnot. Not to mention the fear of going busto would have driven me to play like a nit if I lost half my roll -- so it likely would effect your mental game to.

I'd say you want 20k minimum for 2/5 if your game plays even remotely deep so you can play through swings without having to adjust your play.
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Old 05-24-2016, 10:42 PM   #14840
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hm maybe I'm a bankroll nit

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Old 05-24-2016, 10:44 PM   #14841
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You guys are mixing up what is possible and what is desirable.
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Old 05-24-2016, 10:47 PM   #14842
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I think squid can do it with less by trading EV, and I think I can do it with less given sufficient motivation.

But playing poker with small BR is painful, and horrible on your psyche. I don't recommend it to anyone.
Unfortunately im one of those that plays with a 3 figure bankroll and the toll its taken on my mind and health is brutal. Maybe when i file bankruptcy to pay off my cc debt ill have peace of mind and play better
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Old 05-24-2016, 10:51 PM   #14843
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It's called budget, not bank roll.
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Old 05-24-2016, 10:53 PM   #14844
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Unfortunately im one of those that plays with a 3 figure bankroll and the toll its taken on my mind and health is brutal. Maybe when i file bankruptcy to pay off my cc debt ill have peace of mind and play better
Maybe you should not be gambling mang

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Old 05-24-2016, 11:03 PM   #14845
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When I was 19 I played 1|2 on a ~$2000 roll with no other source of income at the time and busted it. This was just starting to learn the game with no prior experience whatsoever, so I'm not sure what kind of a roll I would have needed to keep from busting. I started playing again the beginning of last August with no bankroll except some extra disposable income I had when my part-time job was picking up hours. I never busted that, and it's unlikely that I will ever go busto with what I have now.

As for what I think is "necessary," it depends a lot on an individual's situation. I am single with no dependents and very low expenses as I have all debts paid off ($400 rent, gas, food, car maintenance and insurance are my only major non-business expenses, which total less than $1k/month) $10k is probably enough to play 100BB 1|2 and very safe IMO for someone in this spot with no source of income other than poker. I didn't quit my job for poker until I had $15k for that extra safety net. You want enough to cover any downswings, living expenses for the extent of the downswing, an emergency fund and a bit extra for psychological comfort.
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Old 05-24-2016, 11:11 PM   #14846
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+1, if you have less then 1k to your name and your in debt, you need to get help for gambling addiction IMO -- you're in the wrong place
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Old 05-24-2016, 11:33 PM   #14847
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Old 05-24-2016, 11:35 PM   #14848
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As others have said, the number is going to vary wildly depending on your situation. I had 12k last year but my car got obliterated by a deer, so the down payment came from the roll. Then I went on a 5BI downswing. Then I found out I had to pay for my wedding quickly. Suddenly I was busto and very little had to do with the actual game. There's a close to zero chance I would have busted that roll through poker alone. But that's all part of it. The degree to which you can insulate your bank roll from life is pretty much the #1 consideration when it comes to sufficient size (8 in).
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Old 05-24-2016, 11:47 PM   #14849
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I agree w deadfish minus the bulletproof part. 10k would be super stressful. I find 25k stressful. Also to squids point, I now see that volume is everything. If anyone is thinking about going pro or whatever you want to call it, come out of the gate hard w mass volume. If you have an edge the way to convert it into money is sitting your arse in that chair.
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Old 05-24-2016, 11:56 PM   #14850
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Unfortunately im one of those that plays with a 3 figure bankroll and the toll its taken on my mind and health is brutal. Maybe when i file bankruptcy to pay off my cc debt ill have peace of mind and play better
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+1, if you have less then 1k to your name and your in debt, you need to get help for gambling addiction IMO -- you're in the wrong place
So, 99 percent of the people who show up in your poker room should get help from GA?

I don't think so.

1) Did this guy say he was a pro?
2) Did this guy say he didn't have money in the bank?
3) I believe he said 'I have a 3-figure bankroll.'

If this guy can play a few hours on his 3-figure roll and has a job and then has to take a few months off to rebuild from his part-time job, who are you to tell him to stop?

Again, this is all premised on him having a job.
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